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Author Topic: Nettlevine Blight + Runemother (Protection givers)  (Read 1889 times)
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« on: August 27, 2009, 02:33:00 pm »

Fairly simple situation: Nettlevine Blight triggers at beginning of end step. Do I have to choose a new object for attaching the aura immediately or upon resolution? If the former would be the case I could kill Nettlevine by giving Pro Black to the creature being in question.
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« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2009, 03:52:07 pm »

The short answer is yes, and yes. 

You can even choose a creature that already HAS pro-black. 

The trigger has no target, so nothing is "chosen" before the ability resolves.  It simply goes on the stack.  Then it begins to resolve.  So the first thing happens:

"Sacrifice this permanent"

So your permanent is sacrificed, and for a blip in time the Nettlevine is an Aura, In Play, attached to nothing.  But we arn't done resolving the ability, so "games state" is not yet checked.  So this somewhat odd state, is ok for the time being.  We still have to do the next thing:

"attach Nettlevine Blight to a creature or land you control"

Now you choose a land or creature you control... there is no other criteria it just has to be a land you control, or a creature you control.  (hense why you can pick a creature who has pro-black).  Now you go ahead and attach Nettlevine Blight to that permanent.

Now things are done, and we have to check that game state.  So if you chose your grizzly bears, everything checks out.  They've got thier blight, and now the active player gets priority. 

If you chose your white knight, we get a yellow-flag.  The game has to do some clean-up.  One of the powers granted by protection is that it cannot be enchanted by cards of that quality.  So white knight has pro-black, and nettlevine is black.  So it is immediately put into its owners graveyard.  THEN we can resume giving the active player priority.

If it was on your grizzly bears, and later during your next turn's mainphase you put a Black Ward on the bears (granting them pro-black).  This will knock off the Nettlevine Blight, for the same reason as above.
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« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2009, 03:20:32 am »

"attach Nettlevine Blight to a creature or land you control"

Now you choose a land or creature you control... there is no other criteria it just has to be a land you control, or a creature you control.  (hense why you can pick a creature who has pro-black).  Now you go ahead and attach Nettlevine Blight to that permanent.

This is not correct.  You are not instructed to simply choose a creature or land you control.  You are instructed to attach Nettlevine Blight to a creature or land you control.  You cannot choose something with protection from black because the nettlevine blight cannot be attached to something with protection from black.  This is separate from the rule that says if an enchantment is attached to a permanent with protection from some quality the enchantment has, the enchantment is put in the graveyard.

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« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2009, 07:38:21 am »

I thought they changed that rule to prevent the akroma/necromancy thing.  Does Necromancy "work" on akroma now, where the end result is just akroma in play?  I thougth akroma would come into play, get attached, then kill the necromancy, then get killed -by- necromancy. 
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« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2009, 09:30:43 am »

The rule was not changed, the wording on Necromancy was changed slightly.
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