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« on: October 30, 2009, 05:30:15 pm »

I should confess, I'm still only 70% done building the Teneb list in my other thread.  Turns out that manabase is quite expensive.  This deck will be complete as soon as a few orders arrive (except for Taiga and Wooded Foothills, which are really incidental improvements).

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Radha, Heir to Keld

Artifacts (10)
Akroma's Memorial
Armillary Sphere
Eldrazi Monument
Explorer's Scope
Gruul War Plow
Mage Slayer
Sensei's Divining Top
Vedalken Orrery
Sol Ring
Sword of Fire and Ice

Artifact Creatures (2)
Duplicant
Solemn Simulacrum

Creatures (33)
Akroma, Angel of Fury
Arashi, the Sky Asunder
Bloodbraid Elf
Boartusk Liege
Borborygmos
Deus of Calamity
Ingot Chewer
Krosan Tusker
Magus of the Moon
Nissa's Chosen
Oracle of Mul Daya
Rockslide Elemental
Sawback Manticore
Shivan Wurm
Sparkcaster
Squee
Stonebrow, Krosan Hero
Taurean Mauler
Ulasht, the Hate Seed
Vigor
Vithian Renegades
Wilderness Elemental
Apocalypse Hydra
Dragon Broodmother
Eternal Witness
Flameblast Dragon
Genesis
Hellkite Charger
Homura, Human Ascendant
Jaya Ballard, Task Mage
Vexing Shusher
Woodfall Primus
Yavimaya Elder

Sorceries (9)
Decimate
Explosive Vegetation
Harmonize
Hull Breach
Kodama's Reach
Shattering Spree
Tooth and Nail
Primal Command
Regrowth

Instants (6)
Ancient Grudge
Branching Bolt
Krosan Grip
Simoon
Violent Outburst
Artifact Mutation

Enchantments (6)
Blood Moon
Fires of Yamivaya
Greater Good
Sylvan Library
Abundance
Survival of the Fittest

Planeswalkers (4)
Nissa Revane
Sarkan Vol
Chandra Ablaze
Garruk Wildspeaker

Non-Basic Lands (5) *=will replace a basic land in the future
Mosswort Bridge
Grove of the Burnwillows
Spinerock Knoll
Fire-Lit Thicket
Stomping Ground
Taiga*
Wooded Foothills*

Basic Lands (24)
Forest x12
Mountain x12

The deck plays very differently from what I'm used to, which is a good thing.  Having Radha as a general means that I'll always have acceleration available on turn three, which means earlier and more consistent Garruks, Oracles, and Bloodbraid Elves, etc..  Probably the worst card in the deck is Sparkcaster, though it has synergy with Bloodbraid Elf.
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« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2009, 06:43:22 pm »

Umm... I think Oran-Rief, the Vastwood deserves a slot over Forest #12?  Right?  Does Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle?  I'm not sure how many tap-lands I want, since hitting Radha on turn two is pretty important.

Edit:  Kiki-Jiki >>> Sparkcaster.  Don't know how I missed that.  Sure, it doesn't bounce Bloodbraid for re-use, but it does copy Witness, Elder, Simulacrum, not to mention Primus or Deus etc..  I think that's much better general utility.
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« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2009, 08:53:12 am »

Got in a few games last night against what was Zur, and is now Mereike, and Radha held her own.  We played with planechase, and hit Feeding Ground once (I won that game), which enabled a four mana Primal Command into a two mana Bloodbraid Elf, sweet.  Unfortunately I choose to bounce his Propaganda to swing in with my three dragons (from Shiv, obviously), which made the Hull Breach I cascaded into a bust (it killed his Skullclamp at least).

A few cards that have been underwhelming:
Rockslide Elemental
Sawback Manticore
Explorer's Scope
Mage Slayer (Really only good with Deus of Calamity, otherwise the additional damage is underwhelming.  It's a non-bo with Akroma's Memorial, too.)

And a slightly longer list of stuff I think can be worked in:
Master of the Wild Hunt
Umezawa's Jitte
Great Sable Stag
Chameleon Colossus*
Kamahl, Fist of Krosa*
Kamahl, Pit Fighter*
Tahngarth, Talruum Hero*
Kumano, Master Yamabushi*
Beastmaster Ascension*

The starred cards I am less sure about.  The additional legends play less well with Kiki-Jiki, but the red ones offer recurring removal, and the green Kamahl can end games (either by sniping lands, or overrunning).  As I've mentioned previously, I do plan to upgrade a Forest and Mountain into a Wooded Foothills and Taiga at some point.

Any thoughts?
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« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2009, 10:11:42 am »

Got a pair of games in against Mereike last night, though without Planes.

I have made the swaps:
Explorer's Scope -> Jitte
Mage Slayer -> Beastmaster Ascension

And have settled on another pair of changes:
Rockslide Elemental -> Great Sable Stag
Sawback Manticore -> Master of the Wild Hunt

Plus I picked up a Judge Wooded Foothills to go in the deck.  Still need a Taiga though.

In one game I fanned out double mountain, Stomping Ground, Sylvan Library, Garruk, Sarkan.  On the draw I made Top off a mountain.  Then I drew a Forest to make Radha pain-free.  T3 was Garruk and Sylvan, drawing Nissa.  T4 I played Sarkan and stole Mereike, who stole herself so that she was perma-mine.  Sarkan died to a clamped up Shadowmage infiltrator, but the damage was done.

The next game my opponent had a Necro without blockers, so I commenced the beatings.  I had woodfall primus to deal with his tutored up No Mercy, and then he tutored up Jitte (he had bitterblossom to make fae).  He used Relic of Progenitus to keep Greater Good + Woodfall Primus from killing Jitte during combat, but the six cards I drew dumped Ancient grudge into my graveyard post-Relic, which got countered, but I had also drawn Artifact Mutation.  GG.
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« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2009, 10:47:49 am »

There's a Rhys deck in my area that runs Beastmaster Ascension. Its pretty nutty.

I think the changes you made were solid, though I tend to prefer Loxodon Warhammer over Jitte in this format.

EDIT: How have you liked Sarkan?
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« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2009, 11:28:48 am »

There's a Rhys deck in my area that runs Beastmaster Ascension. Its pretty nutty.

I think the changes you made were solid, though I tend to prefer Loxodon Warhammer over Jitte in this format.

EDIT: How have you liked Sarkan?

I haven't gotten Ascension active yet, but I'm sure it ends games.
I prefer Jitte because it kills X/1s, like Mereike....  Lifegain isn't a huge issue and I have things like Gruul War Plow, Homura, Monument + Memorial to give trample/evasion.
Sarkan has been pretty sweet.  I liked it better when I thought it gave +1/+1 counters, and not just a pump, but I suppose that would make it too good.  A second Fires of Yamivaya is cool, stealing things is cool (esp with Greater Good in a long game), and pumping out a horde (roost) of dragons is cool, though I haven't done that yet.

This deck is a blast to play, mostly because you can always play your spells, thanks to the accel available in Radha.  I only rarely swing on T3, and even then it may be to get mana for Ancient Grudge on a Sol Ring, or to cycle Krosan Tusker etc.
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« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2009, 12:08:35 pm »

Made some more changes, generally I think for the better.

General (1)
Radha, Heir to Keld

Artifacts (10)
Akroma's Memorial
Armillary Sphere
Eldrazi Monument
Gruul War Plow
Sensei's Divining Top
Vedalken Orrery
Sol Ring
Sword of Fire and Ice
Umezawa's Jitte
Tenza, Godo's Maul

Artifact Creatures (2)
Duplicant
Solemn Simulacrum

Creatures (34)
Akroma, Angel of Fury
Arashi, the Sky Asunder
Bloodbraid Elf
Boartusk Liege
Deus of Calamity
Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker
Krosan Tusker
Magus of the Moon
Nissa's Chosen
Oracle of Mul Daya
Kamahl, Pit Fighter
Master of the Wild Hunt
Jiwari, the Earth Aflame
Acidic Slime
Kumano, Master Yamabushi
Glissa, Sunseeker
Tahngarth, Talruum Hero
Great Sable Stag
Kamahl, Fist of Krosa

Squee
Stonebrow, Krosan Hero
Ulasht, the Hate Seed
Vigor
Apocalypse Hydra
Dragon Broodmother
Eternal Witness
Flameblast Dragon
Genesis
Hellkite Charger
Homura, Human Ascendant
Jaya Ballard, Task Mage
Vexing Shusher
Woodfall Primus
Yavimaya Elder

Sorceries (8)
Decimate
Explosive Vegetation
Harmonize
Hull Breach
Kodama's Reach
Shattering Spree
Primal Command
Regrowth

Instants (5)
Naturalize
Branching Bolt
Krosan Grip
Violent Outburst
Artifact Mutation

Enchantments (7)
Blood Moon
Fires of Yamivaya
Greater Good
Sylvan Library
Abundance
Survival of the Fittest
Beastmaster Ascension

Planeswalkers (4)
Nissa Revane
Sarkan Vol
Chandra Ablaze
Garruk Wildspeaker

Non-Basic Lands (9)
Mosswort Bridge
Grove of the Burnwillows
Spinerock Knoll
Fire-Lit Thicket
Stomping Ground
Taiga
Wooded Foothills
Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle
Oran-Rief, the Vastwood

Basic Lands (20)
Forest x9
Mountain x11

This continues to be a fun deck to play, with a surprising number of interesting decisions for RG.  It's also straightforward enough that I lent it to a college-age kid who'd never played Magic before, and he was able to hold his own in a four-player game.  Tenza, Godo's Maul is in there because I stumbled across a foil one.  What can I say?

Comments?
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« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2009, 06:19:21 pm »

Gruul War Plow, Nissa Revane and Nissa's Chosen have been bad lately.  I also want to add another Mountain (had mana troubles today for the first time since I've played the deck.

Which of the following are best?
Vicious Shadows
Rage Reflection
Stalking Vengeance
Mind's Eye
Ohran Viper
Deadly Recluse or Thornweald Archer
Sakura-Tribe Elder

Or something else?
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« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2010, 11:02:35 pm »

Radha needs an update, spurred largely because I've only just realized the M10 duals exist.  Rootbound Crag seems excellent here, and it prompted me to find Nimbus Maze and Horizon Canopy as well for my Numot and Teneb decks (in addition to Glacial Fortress/Sunpetal Grove).

Here's a proposal for a round of changes (in - out):
Rootbound Crag - Forest
Forgotten Cave - Mountain
Slippery Karst - Forest
Smoldering Crater - Vedalken Orrery
Tranquil Thicket - Stonebrow, Krosan Hero
Strip Mine - Krosan Grip
Life from the Loam - Gruul War Plow
Rings of Brighthearth - Vigor

There are several cards in here that work well with Rings (including making Nissa slightly better, by potentially doubling the lifegain).  The land package gives me a much improved late game draw engine, and net adds lands to counteract some of the ETBT-ness of these.  If I do still end up cutting Nissa/Chosen I think Ohran Viper and Rampaging Baloths are first in line (unless Worldwake contains something tasty). Comments as always are welcome.
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« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2010, 01:17:45 pm »

Recommend Jolrael, Empress of Beasts as Wrath protection.
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« Reply #10 on: May 20, 2010, 08:21:01 pm »

It has again been awhile, and Radha has undergone some changes that I think are big improvements.

General (1)
Radha, Heir to Keld

Artifacts (10)
Akroma's Memorial
Armillary Sphere
Dreamstone Hedron
Emerald Medallion
Rings of Brighthearth
Sensei's Divining Top
Sol Ring
Sword of Fire and Ice
Tenza, Godo's Maul
Umezawa's Jitte

Artifact Creatures (2)
Duplicant
Solemn Simulacrum

Creatures (34)
Acidic Slime
Akroma, Angel of Fury
Arashi, the Sky Asunder
Artisan of Kozilek
Bloodbraid Elf
Boartusk Liege
Dragon Broodmother
Dragonmaster Outcast
Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
Eternal Witness
Genesis
Glissa Sunseeker
Hellkite Charger
Homura, Human Ascendant
Jaya Ballard, Task Mage
Kamahl, Fist of Krosa
Kamahl, Pit Fighter
Kazuul, Tyrant of the Cliffs
Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker
Kozilek, Butcher of Truth
Krosan Tusker
It That Betrays
Magus of the Moon
Master of the Wild Hunt
Ohran Viper
Oracle of Mul Daya
Rampaging Baloths
Squee, Goblin Nabob
Terastodon
Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre
Vengevine
Vexing Shusher
Woodfall Primus
Yavimaya Elder

Sorceries (7)
Explosive Vegetation
Harmonize
Hull Breach
Kodama's Reach
Primal Command
Regrowth
Life from the Loam

Instants (5)
Momentous Fall
Punishing Fire
Realms Uncharted
Summoning Trap
Violent Outburst

Enchantments (6)
Lurking Predators
Defense of the Heart
Greater Good
Sylvan Library
Abundance
Survival of the Fittest

Planeswalkers (3)
Sarkan Vol
Chandra Ablaze
Garruk Wildspeaker

Non-Basic Lands (17)
Mosswort Bridge
Grove of the Burnwillows
Spinerock Knoll
Fire-Lit Thicket
Stomping Ground
Taiga
Wooded Foothills
Gaea's Cradle
Okina, Temple to the Grandfathers
Oran-Rief, the Vastwood
Rootbound Crag
Raging Ravine
Blasted Landscape
Smoldering Crater
Slippery Karst
Tranquil Thicket
Forgotten Cave

Basic Lands (15, the mountain count is a little high, since I just took out Valakut)
Forest x5
Mountain x10

It that Betrays was not originally meant for this deck (but for Numot, where Jhoira will be suspending many an Eldrazi), but it seems to decently support the other Eldrazi in my list (the big three, plus Artisan of Kozilek).  Also, I am thinking of swapping Umezawa's Jitte for a Basilisk Collar, which I think will better enable Radha to keep swinging when the board becomes cluttered.  This latest update has removed Tahngarth and Kumano, which would have worked better with Basilisk Collar, but I really think they deserve to be out.  Both Collar and Jitte are better than Godo's Maul, but I'm keeping that because it's tailor made for Radha (well, for Tenza).

I really love that the cascades from Violent Outburst and Bloodbraid Elf are tightly controlled at this point.  Outburst breaks down as: 2x removal, 5x card advantage, Jitte, 4x mana development, and Shusher.  While Bloodbraid hits (besides Outburst): 2x removal, 8x card advantage, all three pieces of equipment, 7x mana development, 2x anti-blue, Squee and Magus.  Squee is of course the biggest blank, unless it's Outcast before I have the requisite lands, or Magus when crucial non-basics are out (especially hideaways or a big Cradle).

This is by far my favorite EDH deck, and is constantly a blast to play.  It's so surprising to me how versatile this deck is, and I am especially enamored of the Loam engine, where cycling works great with Radha's attack mana trigger (except for Thicket, which her tap ability can pay for), as well as the creature recursion (Genesis, Squee, Vengevine, Eternal Witness, Artisan).  It is unfortunate when one of the big three's Gaea's Blessing trigger.
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« Reply #11 on: June 30, 2010, 06:56:54 pm »

Was able to pick up some foils for Radha, as well as a Library that will be housed with her when I'm not using it for Vintage.

Here are the upgrades I'm considering currently:

IN - OUT
Regal Force - Chandra Ablaze
Cultivate - Magus of the Moon
Primeval Titan - Kamahl, Fist of Krosa
Cloudstone Curio - Vengevine

Regal Force seems like a much better card-drawer than Ablaze, especially considering Ablaze's ultimate is pretty horrible in the deck currently.  It can also be tutored for with Survival.
Cultivate is a much better card to cascade into than Magus, especially since the deck is increasingly dependent on non-basics.  Magus also doesn't play well with the new Primeval Titan, who should almost always fetch the two hideaways first.
Titan is ridiculous.  Kamahl never really hit play, sniping lands was a pipe-dream and the overrun effect isn't that great without a dedicated token theme.
Cloudstone Curio - combos mostly with Bloodbraid Elf and Eternal Witness, but also with the Regal Force and Titan I plan to add, as well as the Eldrazi titans and artisan.  Acidic Slime and Woodfall Primus give me a bit more removal.  Vengevine is efficient, and pitches to Survival in a pinch, but it's really just a dumb animal.

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Clearly spoke too soon, since a creature-Survival was just spoiled this morning.  Now I need to find another under-performer to take out, 'cause that's obviously going in.
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« Reply #12 on: July 08, 2010, 10:08:49 pm »

I should confess, I'm still only 70% done building the Teneb list in my other thread.  Turns out that manabase is quite expensive.  This deck will be complete as soon as a few orders arrive (except for Taiga and Wooded Foothills, which are really incidental improvements).


The deck plays very differently from what I'm used to, which is a good thing.  Having Radha as a general means that I'll always have acceleration available on turn three, which means earlier and more consistent Garruks, Oracles, and Bloodbraid Elves, etc..  Probably the worst card in the deck is Sparkcaster, though it has synergy with Bloodbraid Elf.

Am I being dense, or does Radha not help casting creatures or planeswalkers unless you're using her second ability, which is worse than Llanowar Elf, considering her cost?
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« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2010, 05:35:24 am »

Was able to pick up some foils for Radha, as well as a Library that will be housed with her when I'm not using it for Vintage.

Here are the upgrades I'm considering currently:

IN - OUT
Regal Force - Chandra Ablaze
Cultivate - Magus of the Moon
Primeval Titan - Kamahl, Fist of Krosa
Cloudstone Curio - Vengevine

Regal Force seems like a much better card-drawer than Ablaze, especially considering Ablaze's ultimate is pretty horrible in the deck currently.  It can also be tutored for with Survival.
Cultivate is a much better card to cascade into than Magus, especially since the deck is increasingly dependent on non-basics.  Magus also doesn't play well with the new Primeval Titan, who should almost always fetch the two hideaways first.
Titan is ridiculous.  Kamahl never really hit play, sniping lands was a pipe-dream and the overrun effect isn't that great without a dedicated token theme.
Cloudstone Curio - combos mostly with Bloodbraid Elf and Eternal Witness, but also with the Regal Force and Titan I plan to add, as well as the Eldrazi titans and artisan.  Acidic Slime and Woodfall Primus give me a bit more removal.  Vengevine is efficient, and pitches to Survival in a pinch, but it's really just a dumb animal.

Edit:
Clearly spoke too soon, since a creature-Survival was just spoiled this morning.  Now I need to find another under-performer to take out, 'cause that's obviously going in.

Library is banned.  I know, right?  I would so play the hell out of mine, too.
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« Reply #14 on: July 09, 2010, 07:34:49 am »

I should confess, I'm still only 70% done building the Teneb list in my other thread.  Turns out that manabase is quite expensive.  This deck will be complete as soon as a few orders arrive (except for Taiga and Wooded Foothills, which are really incidental improvements).


The deck plays very differently from what I'm used to, which is a good thing.  Having Radha as a general means that I'll always have acceleration available on turn three, which means earlier and more consistent Garruks, Oracles, and Bloodbraid Elves, etc..  Probably the worst card in the deck is Sparkcaster, though it has synergy with Bloodbraid Elf.

Am I being dense, or does Radha not help casting creatures or planeswalkers unless you're using her second ability, which is worse than Llanowar Elf, considering her cost?
No, that's true.  However, I think it's too far to say she's worse than Llanowar Elf.  She's versatile, getting in there quickly, or accelerating me to 4 on turn 3.  Also, she's always available from the command zone, so I'm not really spending a card on ramping (as I would be with Llanowar).  Having a cheap accelerator always available in the early game is very nice, because it smooths out my mana.  Virtually guarantees that I'll have the three mana necessary to play Realms Uncharted, or Kodama's Reach (or soon, Cultivate), or play and activate (through combat) an Armillary Sphere.  Thereafter I won't have to use her tap ability unless I need to.  Having her at CMC2 means I can skip the RG talisman and signet, and get up to the better ramp spells.

Was able to pick up some foils for Radha, as well as a Library that will be housed with her when I'm not using it for Vintage.

Here are the upgrades I'm considering currently:

IN - OUT
Regal Force - Chandra Ablaze
Cultivate - Magus of the Moon
Primeval Titan - Kamahl, Fist of Krosa
Cloudstone Curio - Vengevine

Regal Force seems like a much better card-drawer than Ablaze, especially considering Ablaze's ultimate is pretty horrible in the deck currently.  It can also be tutored for with Survival.
Cultivate is a much better card to cascade into than Magus, especially since the deck is increasingly dependent on non-basics.  Magus also doesn't play well with the new Primeval Titan, who should almost always fetch the two hideaways first.
Titan is ridiculous.  Kamahl never really hit play, sniping lands was a pipe-dream and the overrun effect isn't that great without a dedicated token theme.
Cloudstone Curio - combos mostly with Bloodbraid Elf and Eternal Witness, but also with the Regal Force and Titan I plan to add, as well as the Eldrazi titans and artisan.  Acidic Slime and Woodfall Primus give me a bit more removal.  Vengevine is efficient, and pitches to Survival in a pinch, but it's really just a dumb animal.

Edit:
Clearly spoke too soon, since a creature-Survival was just spoiled this morning.  Now I need to find another under-performer to take out, 'cause that's obviously going in.

Library is banned.  I know, right?  I would so play the hell out of mine, too.
That sucks so hard.  Can we ban cards by color?  (i.e. Library in decks with blue.)  Because I don't think it's unbalanced in this deck, which typically dumps its hand to ramp/play threats.  I guess that frees up a spot, though the spot should probably just go to another basic forest.
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« Reply #15 on: August 22, 2010, 05:26:46 pm »

So I will shortly be getting a copy of FTV:Relics, which contains a copy of Mox Diamond.  I currently own Mox Diamond, and don't have a particular place to house it.  Should I add Mox Diamond to my list?

Pros:
-Slight Mana Fixing, which is nice since I do run a pretty high amount of basic lands (and non-basics that only make  {R} or  {G}).
-Acceleration on Turn 1 into Radha.
-I already run Life from the Loam as an engine of the deck.

Cons:
-Bad topdeck at pretty much all times.
-No artifact theme in the deck.
-Artifact destruction becomes land destruction, to some small extent.
-May make me a target (with turn 1 Radha) the few times where it's maximally useful.
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Vintage is a lovely format, it's too bad so few people can play because the supply of power is so small.

Chess really changed when they decided to stop making Queens and Bishops.  I'm just glad I got my copies before the prices went crazy.
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« Reply #16 on: February 21, 2011, 03:00:49 pm »

Here's a full update:

General
Radha, Heir to Keld

Artifacts
Akroma's Memorial
Armillary Sphere
Dreamstone Hedron
Emerald Medallion
Rings of Brighthearth
Sensei's Divining Top
Sol Ring
Sword of Fire and Ice
Tenza, Godo's Maul
Umezawa's Jitte

Duplicant
Solemn Simulacrum
Nim Deathmantle
Sword of Feast and Famine
Sword of Light and Shadow
Sword of Vengeance
Cloudstone Curio
Mox Diamond
Minion Reflector
Mimic Vat
Steel Hellkite
Sundering Titan


Creatures
Acidic Slime
Akroma, Angel of Fury
Arashi, the Sky Asunder
Artisan of Kozilek
Bloodbraid Elf
Boartusk Liege
Dragon Broodmother
Dragonmaster Outcast
Emrakul, the Aeons Torn

Eternal Witness
Genesis
Glissa Sunseeker
Hellkite Charger
Homura, Human Ascendant

Jaya Ballard, Task Mage
Kamahl, Fist of Krosa
Kamahl, Pit Fighter
Kazuul, Tyrant of the Cliffs

Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker
Kozilek, Butcher of Truth
Krosan Tusker
It That Betrays
Magus of the Moon

Master of the Wild Hunt
Ohran Viper
Oracle of Mul Daya
Rampaging Baloths
Squee, Goblin Nabob
Terastodon
Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre
Vengevine

Vexing Shusher
Woodfall Primus
Yavimaya Elder
Fauna Shaman
Godo, Bandit Warlord
Regal Force


Sorceries
Explosive Vegetation
Harmonize
Hull Breach
Kodama's Reach
Primal Command
Regrowth
Life from the Loam
Cultivate
Genesis Wave
Green Sun's Zenith
Natural Order
Praetor's Counsel
Restock
Skyshroud Claim


Instants
Momentous Fall
Punishing Fire
Realms Uncharted

Summoning Trap
Violent Outburst

Enchantments
Lurking Predators
Defense of the Heart
Greater Good
Sylvan Library
Abundance
Survival of the Fittest
Sneak Attack

Planeswalkers
Sarkan Vol
Chandra Ablaze
Garruk Wildspeaker
Chandra Nalaar

Lands
Mosswort Bridge
Grove of the Burnwillows
Spinerock Knoll
Fire-Lit Thicket
Stomping Ground
Taiga
Wooded Foothills
Gaea's Cradle
Okina, Temple to the Grandfathers
Oran-Rief, the Vastwood

Rootbound Crag
Raging Ravine
Blasted Landscape
Smoldering Crater
Slippery Karst
Tranquil Thicket
Forgotten Cave
Forest x5
Mountain x10

Forest x8
Mountain x9


The changes above reflect an intentionally increased emphasis on recursion (through Mimic Vat, Nim Deathmantle, Restock and Praetor's Counsel), Voltron-esque tactics (three new Swords, plus Godo to find one of them, or 'Fire and Ice'), and better tutoring (Fauna Shaman, Green Sun's Zenith, Natural Order).  More basics are present, with better balance of Forests and Mountains, to support the additional ramp spells (Forests for Skyshroud Claim in particular).

Minion Reflector is the last card in at this point, along with Genesis Wave.  Dryad Arbor is clamoring to get in, because every time I cascade into Green Sun's Zenith with no {0} CMC targets to get I die a little inside.

Also, as an aside, you may be wondering 'why is Primeval Titan not in here?'  It's only partially because of the high price Prime Time is currently commanding, since I freely admit I don't own all of what's made the list yet.  And it's only partially because it makes such an obvious Bribery target for opponents, since of course I still have one Eldrazi Titan in my list, whose size and attack trigger are both at least as wrecking.  Partially what I want to avoid is a situation where the whole deck is concentrated on one card.  Got seven mana and Green Sun's Zenith?  Prime Time.  Turn three with Radha out and Natural Order?  Prime Time.  Survival or Fauna Shaman online with sufficient mana?  Prime Time.  I play EDH because the highlander nature and size of decks support games with variety.  Obviously cards like the tutors above help improve consistency throughout games, just like my general Radha improves consistency in early game mana, but I don't want there to be just one answer to every question.
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Vintage is a lovely format, it's too bad so few people can play because the supply of power is so small.

Chess really changed when they decided to stop making Queens and Bishops.  I'm just glad I got my copies before the prices went crazy.
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« Reply #17 on: August 02, 2011, 10:12:09 am »

Since I self-imposed some rules on my Commander decks (a different thread in this forum) I relaxed my anti-Prime Time stance a little, and he's in.  Karn is also in because why not?  Radha is my favorite, so she gets these toys to play with.

I played a couple of games last night starting off with Radha.  In the first one-vs-one game I got a flawless victory, as my opponent had zero permanents in play at the end of the game.  Terastodon (NOrdered up, would have been Prime Time for Giggles but I drew it the same turn I cast NO.) blew up some lands.  Acidic Slime cleaned up the last land, and Primal Command bounced the Darksteel Ingot I couldn't otherwise destroy.  Chump blocks and duplicant chewed through the 3/3 beast tokens.  Pretty cool.  This was against a slightly modified pre-con (Kaalia), but it wasn't all cake for me, since in the next game I never found green mana, and had to scoop it up to a turn three Kaalia that got going quick (Rune-Scarred Demon is the greatest thing ever!).
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Vintage is a lovely format, it's too bad so few people can play because the supply of power is so small.

Chess really changed when they decided to stop making Queens and Bishops.  I'm just glad I got my copies before the prices went crazy.
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