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« on: January 21, 2010, 12:29:02 am »

Dispel  {U}
Counter Target instant spell.


Possible sideboard play?

Seems usefull vs. control and storm decks
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« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2010, 12:31:27 am »

How is that useful against storm decks?  Assuming you are talking about tendrils based storm, the vast majority of their serious threats are non-instant. 
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« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2010, 01:15:42 am »

How is that useful against storm decks?  Assuming you are talking about tendrils based storm, the vast majority of their serious threats are non-instant. 

Does that mean you'd consider Envelop?
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« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2010, 03:06:10 am »

It's a great cube card...
But in vintage, i think that now that we have spellpierce, there is absolutly no reason to consider cards like that or envelopp.
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« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2010, 04:28:57 am »

Seems good at first glance because it costs 1, counters lots of relevant stuff, but it's way too narrow and there are so many better options given the huge cardpool we have. Spell Pierce is definitely the 1 mana counter of choice at the moment.
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« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2010, 09:20:31 am »

I see this as a possible side-board card for U/B decks to bring in in control mirrors, since they cannot run REB.  In counter wars, it functions as a hard counter for U, which is pretty impressive.  The disadvantages are that it cannot hit Tinker and is itself vulnerable to REB.

Also don't forget it counters Ad Nauseam.
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« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2010, 11:38:38 am »

How is that useful against storm decks?  Assuming you are talking about tendrils based storm, the vast majority of their serious threats are non-instant. 

Counters Ad Nauseum, Rituals, as well as thier own counters, as well as rebuild/hurkyls


But like Gandalf said, probably best in deck without access to REB
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« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2010, 04:11:59 pm »

The main problem with this card compared to spell pierece is the very high number of non instant lock and  win conditions it can't counter :
Oath
Tinker
Yaugmoth's will
Sphere/Tangle/Smokestacks
Null Rod
Chalice

As said, perhaps a SB card for control mirrors (where spell pierce is also good) but that's all.
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« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2010, 04:16:00 pm »

How is that useful against storm decks?  Assuming you are talking about tendrils based storm, the vast majority of their serious threats are non-instant.  

Counters Ad Nauseum, Rituals, as well as thier own counters, as well as rebuild/hurkyls


But like Gandalf said, probably best in deck without access to REB

I play Storm. I will smile at you if you play this against me. It doesn't counter the big stuff that you really need to be afraid of like.... YawgWin Very Happy
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« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2010, 04:45:27 pm »

Yet another situational counterspell Sad And Wizards wonders why blue is weak in type 2. This is certainly not useful enough in type 1. I'd run spell pierce or disrupt but never dispel.
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« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2010, 01:28:45 am »

Pros of REB:

Counters all counterspells and all blue draw
Destroys and/or counters Tezzeret
Can kill lots of Fish creatures
Stops Tinker

Pros of Dispel:

Counters all counterspells and all instant draw.
Counters all Vintage instants like Darkblast, Vampiric Tutor, Swords to Plowshares, Ancient Grudge/Rack and Ruin, Ad Nauseum, Dark Rituals
Can be pitches to Force of Will and Misdirection in clutch situations
Can be fetched with Merchant's Scroll
You will most likely always be able to cast this card

Cons of REB:
Not a blue spell
Needs a red splash
Opens you up to the risk of color screw (ever sit with dead REBs as your opponent Ancestral Recalls?)


Cons of Dispel:
Cannot destroy and counter Tezzeret, Ponder, Merchant's Scroll, and Tinker
Cannot kill any Fish creatures

I am going for 4 foil Dispel please Very Happy

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Both REB and Dispel loses to Yawgwin Smile
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« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2010, 03:15:31 pm »

I think one shouldn't compare Dispel to Red Elemental Blast, because one isn't limited to just blue spells to counter.

Dispel begs to be compared to Disrupt

Now, Disrupt is a card that has seen *some* play from time to time due to being a cantrip.

Dispel is a hard counter, and unlike REB, it can counter other colored instants, such as Vampiric Tutor, in addition to the normal blue "auto include" cards in Vintage.
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