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« on: February 07, 2010, 03:59:45 pm »

Made a thread for Max to post his results in.  He must have too few posts to start a thread here.
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« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2010, 04:00:46 pm »

I attended a 70-ish man tourney in Québec at l’Imaginaire de Place Laurier. The tourney organizer decided on 6 rounds followed by cut to top 8.  But after we ended up with so many 4-1-1s, they played an elimination round instead of using tie-breakers.
  
The prize structure:  
#1 : 380$ cash
#1 : 220$ store credit
#3 and 4 : 140$ store credit
# 5, 6, 7 and 8 : 100$ store credit
  
The list I played:
  
Jester's Goblins  

Land : 19

4x Badland
3x Bloodstained Mire
4x Wasteland
1x Strip Mine
1x Mountain
2x Wooded Foothill
2x Volcanic Island
2x Scalding Tarn

Creature : 26

1x Wort, Boggart Auntie
4x Earwig Squad
4x Goblin Vandal
4x Goblin Piledriver
4x Goblin Matron
4x Goblin Lackey
2x Mogg Fanatic
3x Vexing Shusher

Spell : 15

3x Warren Werding
1x Demonic Consultation
1x Demonic Tutor
1x Brainstorm
1x Ancestral Recall
1x Time Walk

1x Mox Ruby
1x Mox Jet
1x Mox Emerald
1x Mox Sapphire
1x Black Lotus
1x Mana Crypt
1x Lotus Petal


Sideboard : 15

1x Pulverize
1x Vampiric Tutor
1x Tormod's Crypt
1x Relic of Progenitus
1x Goblin Sharpshooter
1x Gempalm Incinerator
2x Energy Flux
1x Bitter Ordeal
2x Ravenous Trap
4x Lighting bolt
  
  
Here's how my journey went:  
  
Round 1 :  Max  vs  Joel with Oath of Druids  (Score 0-0-0)
  
He wins the die roll
  
Game #1
  
I don't know what Joel is playing even though he's a friend from Trois-Rivières. So, I decide that the best plan is to stick an Earwig ASAP.
  
Me Turn 1 :  Land, Mox, Petal,  Matron for Earwig Squad
Him Turn 1 : Land, go
Me Turn 2 : Attack, Land, Drop Earwig for his win condition  GAME OVER he concede
  
I sideboard in 1x Bitter Ordeal and 1x Vampiric Tutor for 2x Vandal
  
Game #2
  
Him : Land
Me : Land, Goblin Lackey
Him : Land, Oath
Me : Attack with Lackey, Drop Shusher, Waste his land
Him : Oath Iona, pass the turn
Me : Waste his last land, drop Piledriver
Him : Oath into dragon  GAME OVER I concede
  
Game #3
  
Me : Land, Vandal
Him : Land
Me : Attack, Land, Mox, Earwig Squad for 3 out of 4 big creature
Him : Land, Oath
Me : Attack, Land, Matron, Lackey
Him : Oath Obama, King of the dragon
Me : Stare at Obama, play Shusher
Him : Impulse during my EOT, drop a land, Thirst
Me : Drop Pile driver, I now have  Vandal, Earwig, Shusher, Matron, Lackey, Piledriver
Him : GAME OVER he concedes
  
Round 2 : Max vs Christian with Suicide BG  (Score 1-0-0)
  
He wins the die roll
  
Game #1
  
Him : Swamp, Petal, Tarmogoyf
Me : Land, Lackey
Him : Thoughtseize removing Weirding
Me : Land, Mox, Consultation for Weirding, Weirding
Him : Wasteland me
Me : Wasteland him
Him : Do nothing, has around 2 or 3 cards
Me : Ancestral Recall on me,  Land, Time Walk, Mox, Lackey
Me : Attack, Drop Matron with Lackey, Cast Pile driver, Cast Vandal  GAME OVER he concede
  
Sideboarding : 4x Lighting Bolt  1x Gempalm Incinerator  for 4x Vandal and 1x Shusher
  
Game #2
  
Him : Land, Dark Ritual, Hypnotic Specter
Me : Mountain, Lighting Bolt  Very Happy
Him : Cabal Pit, Withered Wretch
Me : Waste his Cabal Pit, drop Lackey
Him : Mana screwed, Thoughseize my hand of 5 lands
Me : Strip his last land
Him : Mana screwed
Me : Bolt his Wretch, attack with lackey, drop Piledriver, land
Him : Mana screwed
Me : Land, Attack with all, Earwig Squad GAME OVER he concede
  
Round 3 : Max vs Sebas with Painter's Servant (Score 2-0-0)
  
I win the die roll
  
Game #1
  
Me : Wasteland, Mox Jet, Petal, Vandal
Him : Land
Me : Attack, Play Wasteland, Cast Earwig Squad that meets Force of Will
Him : end of my turn Brainstorm, fetch, Sensei's Divining Top
Me : Wasteland him, Demonic Consultation for Black Lotus, cast double Piledriver
Him : Land, Thirst
Me : Attack for 11, waste his land
Him : Nothing relevant.  GAME OVER,  he concedes.
  
Sideboard in : 4x Lighting bolt for 1x Warren Weirding, 1x Wort, 1x Piledriver, 1x Shusher
  
Game #2
  
Him : Land, Ancestral at my upkeep
Me : Land, Mox, Shusher
Him : Land, Mox, Engineered Plague
Me : Attack, Land, Earwig that finds Force of Will
Him : Vamp Tutor during my EOT, drop Grindstone
Me : Attack, Land, drop Piledriver
Him : Land, Demonic Tutor
Me : Attack, Mana Crypt, Drop Earwig for his 3 other Painter's Servant, keeping {R} {R} open
Him : Painter's Servant, activate Grindstone. I respond with Bolt on Servant. GAME OVER he concedes
  
Round 4 : Max vs Simon with TPS  (Score 3-0-0)
  
I win the die roll
  
Game #1
  
Me : Land, Mox, Petal, Matron for Earwig Squad
Him : Land, Mox
Me : Attack, Land, Earwig taking  DSC and both tendrils GAME OVER he concedes
  
Sideboard in : 1x Vamp Tutor, 1x Bitter Ordeal for 2x Mogg Fanatic
  
Game #2
  
Him : Land, Mana Crypt, Tinker for DSC
Me : Land, Vandal
Him : Attack for 11, Time Walk, I'm dead
  
Game #3
  
Me : Land, Vandal
Him : Land
Me : Attack for 1, drop Wasteland and Fanatic
Him : Respond to my waste with Brainstorm, he fetches during his turn
Me : Attack for 2, drop a land
Him : Drop a land, time walk
Him : Drop a land and Engineered Plague, fanatic suicide for 1
Me : Drop Vexing Shusher, wasteland his land
Him : Respond to waste with Thirst for knowledge,  drop a Land, drop a Crypt, cast Memory Jar
Me : I now fear a Yawg Will, I attack, drop Earwig Squad, and then he responds with Jar.  At this point, I have 3 Warren Weirding in my hand. I exile Yawg Will and both Tendrils from his deck.
Him : Tinker for Colossus
Me : Warren Weirding the Colossus GAME OVER he concede
  
Round 5 : ID  (Score 4-0-0)
  
Round 6 : ID  (Score 4-0-1)
  
  
Final Score : 4-0-2.
  
After everything is counted up, I discover that I'm 1st after 6 rounds of swiss and have a bye in the elimination round for the 4-1-1s. The other 12 top8 candidates play while Ian Lampron and I enjoy our bye.
  
  
Top 8 : Max vs Ugo Rivard with Tezz
  
He wins the die roll
  
Game #1
  
Him : Island
Me : Land, Mox, Petal, Matron for Earwig Squad
Him : Fetch
Me : Attack, Drop Earwig that meets Mana Leak
Him : Do nothing
Me : Attack, drop Vandal
Him : Sensei's Divining Top
Me : Attack for 2
Him : Do nothing
Me : Attack for 2
Him : Do nothing
Me : Attack for 2
Him : Do nothing
Me : Attack for 2, drop Earwig Squad that takes Time Vault, Tezz, and Platinum Angel
Him : Land, Sol Ring, Mana Crypt, Triskelion
Me : Warren Weirding the Triskelion, he kills my Earwig Squad, Attack
Him : Lose the flip off mana crypt, do nothing relevant
Me : Attack for 2
Him : Lose the flip off mana crypt and go below 1 life.  I win.
  
Sideboard in : 1x Vamp Tutor, 1x Bitter Ordeal, 1x Gempalm Incinerator, 1x Lighting Bolt for 2x Fanatic, 1x Wort, Boggart Auntie, 1x Warren Werding
  
Game #2
  
Him : Land
Me : Land, Vandal
Him : EOT Mystical tutor for Ancestral
Him : Ancestral Recall, land
Me : Attack, drop Shusher which meet Mana Drain to get 2 mana off him
Him : Mox, Land, DT, Vault-Key GAME OVER I concede
  
I saw no Sower of Temptation so...  I sideboard out 1x Gempalm Incinerator and 1x Lighting bolt for 2x Mogg Fanatic
  
Game #3
  
Me : Land, Lackey which meets Force of Will
Him : Land
Me : Lackey
Him : Land, Pyroclasm
Me : Land, Lackey, Vandal
Him : Land
Me : Attack, Piledriver
Him : End of my turn Thirst for Knowledge, Land, Mox, Mana Crypt, Tinker-Triskelion
Me : Warren Weirding Triskelion, I loose Pile driver and Lackey
Him : Demonic Tutor
Me : Land
Him : Vault-Key GAME OVER I concede
  
That was the end to a great tourney!! I won $100 in store credit.  Turns out we absolutely lack the resources to counter modern Tez in the late game.  Triskelion is solid tech for this meta and our sideboard has nothing for it.  I think this deck is very powerful and needs only minor modifications to beat Tez. I still finished 4-0-2, and first after Swiss.  I think that this is proof that putting my time into honest play-testing and deck design resulted in a very competitive deck.

AmbivalentDuck and I worked together building this over a few months.  I find it interesting that a social game like MTG can make connections between people as geographically separate as we are: Quebec and Chicago!  I'm primarily a French-speaker who learned English in school; he's primarily an English-speaker who learned French in school.  Even though I was the one piloting the deck, this top8 is really the achievement of two people.

- Max
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« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2010, 05:15:53 pm »

Grats, nice to see that people can get Goblins working. All of my attempts definately failed so I will just stick to Legacy to feed my Goblins addiction! I still doubt Goblins is a top tier deck, but experience and extensive tweaking definately appear to pay off, so great job.
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« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2010, 09:36:58 pm »

Nice report and congratulations on your Top 8! I have a couple of questions for you.
1) You have Mox Emerald in the main deck, but wouldn't that just be better as Mox Sapphire considering your Blue splash?
2) How useful would have Null Rod been in the sideboard, instead of say the 1 Bitter Ordeal and a couple of other cards?
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« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2010, 12:27:21 am »

1. Sapphire is in the deck, that appears to be an error in the decklist.

2. Bitter Ordeal is useless at present.  The advent of Sadistic Sacrament means that the decks against which Ordeal was most effective now largely ignore it.  We've cut it in favor of Null Rod.
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« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2010, 05:56:01 pm »

JACO :

1)  Sorry I did a little mistake on the list.  I didnt run Sol Ring, it was Mox Sapphire instead.


2)  Null Rod should totally be in the SB and ordeal was useless. We are currently working on adding VT on the MD so it make a spot in the SB for the Rod.  A better list should come up shortly in Duck's Goblin Thread.
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« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2010, 07:25:28 pm »

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Him : Land, Ancestral at my upkeep
Me : Land, Mox, Piledriver
Him : Land, Mox, Engineered Plague
Me : Attack, Land, Earwig that finds Force of Will
Him : Vamp Tutor during my EOT, drop Grindstone
Me : Attack, Land, drop Shusher
Him : Land, Demonic Tutor
Me : Attack, Mana Crypt, Drop Earwig for his 3 other Painter's Servant, keeping   open
Him : Painter's Servant, activate Grindstone. I respond with Bolt on Servant. GAME OVER he concedes

Wasn't the Piledriver a 0/1 when it attacked due to Engineered Plague?  I was informed that doing zero damage is the same as doing no damage.  Would prowl still have worked?  If that's the case then someone has a little 'splaining to do.
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« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2010, 07:56:53 pm »

I think I inversed the order of Piledriver and Shusher Razz 

Piledriver deal 0 damage and Prowl cant be played in that case!!

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« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2010, 08:41:50 am »

Congrats on your finish.  I played against this deck on MWS and it was much better than it looked on paper.  I think it had VT in it and no blue though, did you guys switch it up just recently?
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« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2010, 03:03:46 pm »

Wow, this goblin deck looks a lot better than what goblins used to be.
Congratulations and kudos on the deck.

Have you considered playing 1 Akki Underminer maindeck for awesome softlocks?
Or is getting either Wart or Squad always better?
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« Reply #10 on: February 14, 2010, 07:13:01 pm »

Our experience is that softlocks are hard to obtain.  It's better to cap decks that don't run 4x Goyf and better to have Wort for decks that do.
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« Reply #11 on: February 15, 2010, 06:33:46 pm »

Congrats on your finish.  I played against this deck on MWS and it was much better than it looked on paper.  I think it had VT in it and no blue though, did you guys switch it up just recently?


Blue is pretty important in our deck since it enable us fluxes and both blue bomb are really important. We cut brainstorm for a more agressive ringleader, added VT maindeck and added a recruiter taht act like matron #5.

we cut a shusher and a piledriver, which we are not sure thats the best thing to do yet.
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« Reply #12 on: February 16, 2010, 01:52:42 am »


Blue is pretty important in our deck since it enable us fluxes and both blue bomb are really important. We cut brainstorm for a more agressive ringleader, added VT maindeck and added a recruiter taht act like matron #5.

we cut a shusher and a piledriver, which we are not sure thats the best thing to do yet.


I think cutting a piledriver will end up being OK.  There have been numerous goblins in legacy that have done well with 3 and in some cases 2. 
Has perish been tested to wrath fish decks post board or is the inherent synergy of goblins generally enough to swarm them?
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