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« on: April 01, 2010, 10:08:04 am »

Looking for some help with my deck list. I liked the way Soly's mean snake deck list looked and played but i made a few cuts and added some stuff. my issue at the moment is if i should keep dark confidant in or cut it for a  Sower of Temptation and a Thada Adel. Any help would be great as i am a little new to vintage meta and theory. and i fail hard at a SB that makes any sense the meta at my shop is stax  and oath mostly help with that would be great to. 

 


3 Underground Sea
2 Tropical Island
1 Scalding Tarn
4 Misty Rainforest
1 Tolarian Academy
2 Forest
3 Island
1 Black Lotus
1 Sol Ring
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mana Crypt
1 Gifts Ungiven
1 Inkwell Leviathan
1 Hurkyl's Recall
1 Voltaic Key
1 Time Vault
1 Regrowth
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Yawgmoth's Will
1 Time Walk
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Brainstorm
1 Thirst for Knowledge
4 Force of Will
1 Misdirection
3 Spell Pierce
2 Dark Confidant 
2 Mana Drain
2 Nature's Claim
4 Mystic Remora
1 Tinker
1 Tezzeret the Seeker
2 Sensei's Divining Top
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« Reply #1 on: April 01, 2010, 03:36:35 pm »

Note: next time try to include a little more discussion to decklist ratio, it will help us figure out exactly where you're coming from, and why you made the choices you did.  For instance, why are you looking at Sower/Theda?

This seems pretty strong for a first outing.  The only thing that jumps out at me is that second Forest- most lists would run 0 forests (add another tropical maybe), if you're *really* concerned about Stax (and I don't see why not if it's prominent at your shop) then going to 1 Forest seems fine, but 2 is probably going to do you more harm than good.  Nothing else in the list looks *wrong*, even if it's not 100% the cards I would be running.  The Confidants you're thinking about cutting are decent against shops, but weak against Oath, (but then, Theda and Sower are even worse against Oath) so you'll have to factor that in (don't be afraid to metagame heavily). 

The sideboard is tough to nail down without really getting a feel for the rest of your meta (whether there is *any* potential for ichorid players or not, even one, is a huge factor in building a sideboard).  I would definitely start with the other 2 Nature's Claim however, as they're playable in both Oath and Stax matchups, perfect for your purposes. 
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« Reply #2 on: April 01, 2010, 03:57:00 pm »

The reason i was going to run thada is at best if i can get in there one time with her i can  pull at least one win con out or get an additional one out of their deck for me to use or at least some mana. the sower was in the main to deal with a lot of fish match ups and such or to steal their dark confidant to. the guys i test with think im crazy for a short time i ran Teferi and would cut the remora's and put in 3 dark confidants. my shop is mainly one or 2 staxs 3 oath fish and every once in a while a dredge build.
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« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2010, 01:21:13 pm »

you say you "fail hard" at sbing. consider this approach:
write down every maindeck card that is dead for every matchup. i'd consider spell pierce and mystic remora duds vs fish, for example. and mana drains terrible vs dredge. and so on.

with those numbers, those are the number of sb cards you want for each matchup. you've already figured out what you want to board out, basically.

then, find cards that work well against 2 or more matchups. try to steer away from cards that only have potency against one archetype (unless you are really a dog to them, as in the case of dredge).

this way you get maximum value out of your sbed games.
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« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2010, 11:59:53 am »

2 Forests is 2 too many; you can't cast Spell Pierce or Mana Drain off them; cut them.  Maindeck Nature's Claim is a bad idea too; it's dead or marginal too often.
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« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2010, 05:24:22 pm »

A single forest is fine; but there is really no reason in Vintage to run two.   With Fetchlands you'll have little difficulty finding that Forest if you want/need it. 
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