Consume the Meek

[Son of Serra]

Consume the Meek
3BB
Instant
Destroy all creatures with converted mana cost 3 or less. They can't be regenerated.

I like Consume the Meek in a TPS sideboard. This is a card that gets its strength from being versatile, not broken. It could provide a tremendous tempo advantage against Fish decks. It might also buy a turn against Dredge and Oath, give you an out against Empty the Warrens, hit a couple of pesky Goblin Welders or Dark Confidants, kill a Painter's Servant as Grindstone is about to hit the battlefield, or deal with rogue decks like Goblins in low proxy environments.

This card will draw immediate comparisons to Damnation, a sorcery that kills everything for one colorless less. The reason I would consider putting one of these in my TPS sideboard instead of Damnation (which I don't currently sideboard) is to give myself more information by waiting until my opponent's turn to cast it. Is that worth the high cost? Would a Smother have worked just as well and been cheaper? Perhaps, but Smother doesn't nearly as effectively punish an opponent who overcommits. Also, inforamtion I get during my opponent's turn may change when I try to push through a draw spell versus kill his creatures, making the extra colorless mana worth it. And as far as Damnation's versatility advantage of killing fatties bigger than three mana, I am of the opinion that most decks will sideboard out their fatties once they see that you are playing TPS (except Oath, in which case you are killing the spirit tokens to buy time with either card).

I have a feeling this card will get no love in Vintage, but I plan to test it and hope someone else out there looks at it twice as well. There could be a lot of situations when the versatility of this card trumps the raw efficient power of alternatives.

[Mith]

Damnation is the wrong comparison.

Massacre is more-or-less a free spell (at least vs. Noble Fish) and Infest is a 3-cc spell...and both basically do the same thing as this spell, just faster. The only thing this spell hits that Massacre and Infest don't is Golem.

I'll admit that I like the instant speed...but this card has no place in the current Vintage enviornment.

[Doomsday]

This card sucks and I would rather play Infest in a TPS sideboard.

[voltron00x]

Damnation is the wrong comparison.

Massacre is more-or-less a free spell (at least vs. Noble Fish) and Infest is a 3-cc spell...and both basically do the same thing as this spell, just faster. The only thing this spell hits that Massacre and Infest don't is Golem.

I'll admit that I like the instant speed...but this card has no place in the current Vintage enviornment.

There's a few creatures that live through Infest and Massacre that this kills, chiefly Trygon Predator and Tarmogoyf.

Still, at 5 mana, its probably too expensive to see Vintage play.

nice card, though.

[Troy_Costisick]

Damnation is the wrong comparison.

Massacre is more-or-less a free spell (at least vs. Noble Fish) and Infest is a 3-cc spell...and both basically do the same thing as this spell, just faster. The only thing this spell hits that Massacre and Infest don't is Golem.

Goyf, Predator, Ingot Chewer, and Oath Creatures escape it.

EDIT:  Sorry, that post made no sense.  What I meant to say was Goyf and Trygon get killed by Consume the Meek but Ingot Chewer and Oath Creatures don't.  Sorry.

[pierce]

with dark rituals, this card seems fine for a tendrils combo deck to board into.

[Sporkcore]

with dark rituals, this card seems fine for a tendrils combo deck to board into.

Even with Dark Rits, it doesn't get rid if Gaddock Teeg which seems to be the only real problem creature Tendrils combo has.

[Tha Gunslinga]

This card sucks and I would rather play Infest in a TPS sideboard.

Just play Wumpus or Anowon or whatever.  This thing seems awful, and Teeg still shuts it down.  Ritualling this out just means you're wasting good cards on not winning.  At least play Damnation and wipe the board.

[Kotch]

The only thing this spell hits that Massacre and Infest don't is Golem.

Golem costs 4

[TheBrassMan]

I might be missing something, but what's the value of instant speed in this kind of spell?  The only place I can think of an instant speed wrath being relevant is against ichorid, where this card clearly isn't fast enough.  I'm confused as to what advantages this has over the aforementioned Damnation (which really hasn't seen any success in vintage), are you specifically planning on running and saving your own high CC creatures?

[DubDub]

While this isn't going to see Vintage play, power creep is at work here, and I don't think we'll have to wait long for another even better card:

Culling Sun

This is better than a card printed in February 2006 in at least three ways; instant speed, anti-regeneration clause,  instead of  .  So, just a year to go until they print something better than Damnation in at least three ways right?  (Damnation was printed in February 2007.)

[BruiZar]

While this isn't going to see Vintage play, power creep is at work here, and I don't think we'll have to wait long for another even better card:

Culling Sun

This is better than a card printed in February 2006 in at least three ways; instant speed, anti-regeneration clause,  instead of  .  So, just a year to go until they print something better than Damnation in at least three ways right?  (Damnation was printed in February 2007.)

That's not really a good logic, because by that logic, wrath of god should cost 0 mana by now.

[DubDub]

While this isn't going to see Vintage play, power creep is at work here, and I don't think we'll have to wait long for another even better card:

Culling Sun

This is better than a card printed in February 2006 in at least three ways; instant speed, anti-regeneration clause,  instead of  .  So, just a year to go until they print something better than Damnation in at least three ways right?  (Damnation was printed in February 2007.)

That's not really a good logic, because by that logic, wrath of god should cost 0 mana by now.

I am exaggerating for effect.

[Troy_Costisick]

There is no doubt it's a pretty serious upgrade tho.  Sadly, not good enough for Vintage.  Guys who play Legacy, is this card viable in the Legacy meta?  Looks good vs. Goblins, Merfolk, Zoo, and Dredge.

[Killane]

This card is not good enough in any way for Vintage. 5 CMC is just too much to pay for this kind of effect, especially since the decks you will want it against most are either:

1. Too fast (Dredge).
2. Able and willing to play Gaddock Teeg (GW Beats, Noble Fish).

Infest in strictly superior. Would I play:

Broken Infest
BB
Kicker 2
Instant
All creatures get -1/-1
If kicked, all creatured get -3/-3?

??

I'm not sure that I would, even though it is 1 mana cheeper and gets around Teeg. I would consider it though - but this card is junk for Vintage.

It will be awesome in GB Eldrazi ramp though, which I imagine will be a pretty good standard deck post-rotation.

[DubDub]

This card is not good enough in any way for Vintage. 5 CMC is just too much to pay for this kind of effect, especially since the decks you will want it against most are either:

1. Too fast (Dredge).
2. Able and willing to play Gaddock Teeg (GW Beats, Noble Fish).

Infest in strictly superior. Would I play:

Broken Infest
BB
Kicker 2
Instant
All creatures get -1/-1
If kicked, all creatured get -3/-3?

??

I'm not sure that I would, even though it is 1 mana cheeper and gets around Teeg. I would consider it though - but this card is junk for Vintage.

It will be awesome in GB Eldrazi ramp though, which I imagine will be a pretty good standard deck post-rotation.

Marsh Casualties.

By my 'logic' above, you have to wait four years to get the three improvements yours has over casualties.

[zeus-online]

This card is not good enough in any way for Vintage. 5 CMC is just too much to pay for this kind of effect, especially since the decks you will want it against most are either:

1. Too fast (Dredge).
2. Able and willing to play Gaddock Teeg (GW Beats, Noble Fish).

Infest in strictly superior. Would I play:

Broken Infest
BB
Kicker 2
Instant
All creatures get -1/-1
If kicked, all creatured get -3/-3?

??

I'm not sure that I would, even though it is 1 mana cheeper and gets around Teeg. I would consider it though - but this card is junk for Vintage.

It will be awesome in GB Eldrazi ramp though, which I imagine will be a pretty good standard deck post-rotation.

Marsh Casualties.

By my 'logic' above, you have to wait four years to get the three improvements yours has over casualties.

Too bad card draw doesn't follow your logic though, then we'd be drawing 10 cards for FREE these days

[DubDub]

This card is not good enough in any way for Vintage. 5 CMC is just too much to pay for this kind of effect, especially since the decks you will want it against most are either:

1. Too fast (Dredge).
2. Able and willing to play Gaddock Teeg (GW Beats, Noble Fish).

Infest in strictly superior. Would I play:

Broken Infest
BB
Kicker 2
Instant
All creatures get -1/-1
If kicked, all creatured get -3/-3?

??

I'm not sure that I would, even though it is 1 mana cheeper and gets around Teeg. I would consider it though - but this card is junk for Vintage.

It will be awesome in GB Eldrazi ramp though, which I imagine will be a pretty good standard deck post-rotation.

Marsh Casualties.

By my 'logic' above, you have to wait four years to get the three improvements yours has over casualties.

Too bad card draw doesn't follow your logic though, then we'd be drawing 10 cards for FREE these days

Well, it took nine and a half years for them to shave a mana off Yawgmoth's Bargain, and Mind's Desire was printed seven years ago....

[Evenpence]

Other than being instant, Marsh Casualties is almost strictly superior to this new card.  Only exception is Goyf.

Just play Massacre.  I haven't seen a single Teeg in the last top 8 lists in forever (iirc, could be wrong but fairly sure I'm not, and 95%+ of vintage decks right now aren't running the dude in the main or sb).

[zeus-online]

Well, it took nine and a half years for them to shave a mana off Yawgmoth's Bargain, and Mind's Desire was printed seven years ago....

Yeah but we haven't seen anything that can rival ancestral and contract in the last 17 years (Necro and gush being the closest imo)

[Killane]

wait- there's a cheeper Bargain?

[DubDub]

wait- there's a cheeper Bargain?

Click the link.

[zeus-online]

Well to be honest, ad nauseam is an inferior card when it comes to deck design imo. It's much easier to design around bargain since it dosn't really care about mana costs (Mostly just the  for Force of will)

[DubDub]

Well to be honest, ad nauseam is an inferior card when it comes to deck design imo. It's much easier to design around bargain since it dosn't really care about mana costs (Mostly just the  for Force of will)

In some ways Ad Nauseam is inferior, yes, but being an instant makes it powerful in a different way.  To be fair, it's potential is better realized in Legacy due to the presence of 4x LED and 4x Mystical Tutor.  I won't argue that the two are equivalent, but the comparison is apt.

[Killane]

yes, it's a fine comparison, but calling it "a cheeper bargain" is a bit much. Try running Ad Naus in TPS=fail, whereas I have literally never lost a game after resolving Bargain in a combo deck.

[honestabe]

lol consume the meek fucking sucks.

That may be true, but without an explanation why it's so bad, this post contributes nothing useful to the thread.
-Godder

[DubDub]

yes, it's a fine comparison, but calling it "a cheeper bargain" is a bit much. Try running Ad Naus in TPS=fail, whereas I have literally never lost a game after resolving Bargain in a combo deck.

Are you messing with me?  I have already had to explain once in this thread that I was exaggerating for effect.  If it will make you happy I will clarify my position: Bargain is better than Ad Nauseam.  They both trade life for cards but at different rates.  One restricts deck construction more heavily than the other.  One is restricted in Vintage and banned in Legacy.  The other is not.  One costs six while the other costs five.  The support for Legacy Ad Nauseam is better than that for Vintage Ad Nauseam.

Ad Nauseam is simply the closest we've gotten to Bargain this century. The whole point of the comparison was to imply, in a tongue-in-cheek way, that a power-creeped version of Mind's Desire (note my user picture) is coming, which in reality likely isn't.

[Son of Serra]

This thread is getting totally off topic...

Regarding several things that people have said:

1. Teeg is not seeing much play these days, but I get your point. My contention is that some Fish decks would be caught so off-guard that you would win, similar to that way that a single Bribery has been showing up in Oath sideboards to steal Greater Gargadons and totally turning the game around.

2. Marsh Casualties not hitting Goyf makes it a not nearly as good. If you are going to sideboard one card to sweep the board, it had better take care of the premier threat.

I am not saying that this will definitely work as a singleton in the sideboard, but I like it enough to try it.

[Killane]

gofy is not the premiere threat- it's disruptive guys like meddling mage, cannonist, and mindcensor. Is a goyf going to race combo? No.

[Marske]

Guys, try to keep this thread on topic, I'll let the thread go a little further but it's coming to a point that it's useless to keep around. The card isn't imho Vintage worthy and certainly not worthy of inclusion in TPS's sideboard (A topic I feel rather safe talking about). But if you guys want to discuss the card a bit more that's perfectly fine. Marske