New Card Discussion: Inquisition of Kozilek

[Onslaught]

Well, it hits a lot of the things Thoughtseize does without the damage to yourself, but the real value will probably be running this alongside Thoughtseize as opposed to "instead of it." I guess Suicide players like me will be wanting to try out 12 Duress.dec ASAP.

[Yare]

Thank goodness it's uncommon.

[Onslaught]

Haha, that was my first reaction too.

[serracollector]

hmmm, an interesting card, but the question is wat can it grab vs Duress and what can it not grab vs duress.

It can grab any fish critter +
It cannot grab any used Planeswalkers -
It can grab most things on the restricted list +
It cannot grab FoF, FoW (thats a biggie), Gifts, Tendrils, smokestack, and other 4 cc artifacts. ------

Is it worth being able to grab fishy targets, and not being able to grab Force?  IMO, no.  4 duress/4 TS is still the optimal.  This might be a good SB card against Gaddock Teeg.dec, but otherwise its not better than either of the other two.

[covetousrat]

Wow. This is really good. But it doesn't grab one of the most important card in vintage, Force of will. Its good enough to grab everything else. It will probably makes its way into vintage decks.Gwsx or some Dark Depth/Hexmage deck or even TPS will want to consider this addition.

[Tha Gunslinga]

Can't hit Force.  Unplayable.  Sorry.

[Mr. Fantastic]

Well, it hits a lot of the things Thoughtseize does without the damage to yourself, but the real value will probably be running this alongside Thoughtseize as opposed to "instead of it." I guess Suicide players like me will be wanting to try out 12 Duress.dec ASAP.

You specified "alongside Thoughtseize as opposed to 'instead of.'"  No way is this better than Cabal Therapy if you are already running 4 Duress + 4 Thoughtseize imho.

[reaperbong]

it may not hit Force but it hits a lot of blue cards you'd need to pitch to it, so you still have a decent chance to stop Force i think. still not better than Cabal Therapy though. sucks cause it has great art and it's uncommon, the colors will look nice in foil.

[Phele]

It hits everything beside Force against Fish so in this matchup it seems playable.

[JCrawl]

This card is definitely main board material.

The obvious drawback of this card is it can't hit FoW, but let's consider the following... Playing this card against a blue mage is that they are faced with letting this card resolve and sacrificing a key component to their hand, or they can 2 for 1 themselves by countering it with FoW, effectively discarding the force, in ADDITION to removing a card they have from the game, generating obvious card advantage for the Inquisition Player. Consequently, both scenarios give a wealth of information to the caster of Inquistion, minus the loss of two life from Thoughtseize.

[2nd_lawl]

Interesting...

[Evenpence]

-2 life isn't that big of a deal.  Not grabbing FoW is a big deal.

Unless someone is already running 8 duress effects, this won't see play.

[LotusHead]

-2 life isn't that big of a deal.  Not grabbing FoW is a big deal.

Unless someone is already running 8 duress effects, this won't see play.

I've faced down decks using 4 Force, 4 Drain, and 3-4 Duress effects.

I'm sure this will see play.  But in general, less blue cards mean a less good deck.

[zeus-online]

So now you can play 16   Discard spells (That are actually good)

Will this matter?

Find out in the next exciting episode of "random new card thread" right here on TMD!

[Troy_Costisick]

Can't grab FoW, SmokeStack, Golem, Tendrils, EtW, MisD, Karn, Tez, Jace, FoF, Gifts, Gargadon...

Close, but no cigar.  At least it's uncommon just in case it does turn out useful.

[DubDub]

This card is definitely main board material.

The obvious drawback of this card is it can't hit FoW, but let's consider the following... Playing this card against a blue mage is that they are faced with letting this card resolve and sacrificing a key component to their hand, or they can 2 for 1 themselves by countering it with FoW, effectively discarding the force, in ADDITION to removing a card they have from the game, generating obvious card advantage for the Inquisition Player. Consequently, both scenarios give a wealth of information to the caster of Inquistion, minus the loss of two life from Thoughtseize.

Yes, but if you're playing it to clear the way for a bomb of your own then you haven't done anything to prevent your opponent from forcing your bomb (unless they only have one card to pitch, and you can take that).  The inability to take Force is a huge deal, not to mention Gifts, Tezz, Jace, Fact, Tendrils, Mindbreak, Memory Jar, Lodestone, Smokey etc.  Also, it instantly becomes even more unplayable with the unrestriction of a 4CC+ engine like Fact or Gush.

[Adan]

So now you can play 16   Discard spells (That are actually good)

Will this matter?

No. You will just get topdecked by Time-Vault-Key or Will.

Seriously, Vintage is defined by ridiculous topdecks. The way to prevent getting topdecked is countermagic, so why should you play discard that can't actually nail a Force of Will?
I'd still stick to Thoughtseize since it can pick everything relevant and therefore is the most versatile discard spell. Both Seize and Inquisition suffer from Misdirection, while Duress is immune to it.

Imho Thoughtseize > that.

[nataz]

Is there any deck that plays 8 duress effects right now and wouldn't want some number of spell pierce instead of duress 9-12? 

[Blue Lotus]

Definitely a metagame call.  If everyone is playing beats, this is obviously better than duress or spell pierce.  But I certainly wouldn't put this card in the main or the board against an unknown metagame. 

[DubDub]

On the other hand, this card's drawback would be almost entirely erased by pairing it with Gaddock Teeg.  How often is the lifeloss of Thoughtseize or inability to take a creature a problem for Meandeck Beats?  If Meandeck Beats plays 4x Duress and 4x TS now I could see replacing some of those with Inquisition.  Beats players could better testify as to how often they use a Duress-effect to nab Force.

[Ten-Ten]

This is a metagame sensitive card. With that being the case though, I would just run Cabal Therapy in the SB instead.
 IMHO, the only format I see this of any use would be in Extended.

[TheBrassMan]

There's totally nothing wrong with this card, but I doubt it makes the cut in any Vintage decks.  This kind of effect has diminishing returns, like counterspells do, but even more dramatic.  There's just no way you'd want a deck with 9 duress effects, they lose value much too quickly for that.

[Tha Gunslinga]

I'm sure this will see play.

Sure, in the 0-2 bracket.  Anyone playing these over Thoughtseize/Duress is wrong, and anyone playing 12 Duress effects wants to auto-lose to Sensei's Top apparently.

[vassago]

-2 life isn't that big of a deal.  Not grabbing FoW is a big deal.

Can't hit Force.  Unplayable.  Sorry.

I'm sure this will see play.

Sure, in the 0-2 bracket.

There's totally nothing wrong with this card, but I doubt it makes the cut in any Vintage decks.  This kind of effect has diminishing returns, like counterspells do, but even more dramatic.  There's just no way you'd want a deck with 9 duress effects, they lose value much too quickly for that.

Nuff Said

[Smmenen]

I think this card is Vintage playable.  I think it's another example of where close substitutes will lead to different niche spots for similar effects.   For example, this card would never be played in Combo (since what you want to take most of the time is Force), but it is playable in other decks, like Meandeck Beats.   

[vassago]

I think this card is Vintage playable.  I think it's another example of where close substitutes will lead to different niche spots for similar effects.   For example, this card would never be played in Combo (since what you want to take most of the time is Force), but it is playable in other decks, like Meandeck Beats.   

Are you saying you would actually play this in one of your decks?

[Tha Gunslinga]

I think you'll lose more games due to not being able to take Force/Gifts/Tezzeret than you would due to Thoughtseize's Misdirectability and life loss.

[Portalis]

this could slow a person's deck down more then stop them yeah it can take out many cards from 0-3 casting.  duress and thoughtsieze are still the best imo.

best thing though it's uncommon and not rare and expensive as thoughtsieze lol 

[DubDub]

Tainted Pact.dec also gets a bit better.

[Cyberpunker]

So now you can play 16   Discard spells (That are actually good)

Will this matter?

No. You will just get topdecked by Time-Vault-Key or Will.

Seriously, Vintage is defined by ridiculous topdecks.

I agree with the way you think.