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Ok so my local store owner tried to solve the problem of the older guys crushing the newer players in vintage. His fix was to ban the power 9 and then make it 0 proxy. Essentially I feel we are playing a bastardized legacy with skullclamp and oath.
I threw together a legacy dredge list by max mcall but it didn't do amazing. The week before I played legacy MUD and it won. My friend played counterbalance oath and won today.
What decks could I reliably put together to win there?
I do not own mishra's workshops/bazaars.
I do own 4 drains/4 force/32 duals/38 fetch/etc so building some stuff is not quite problematic.
What is a decent deck I can throw together for next sunday and do well?
Thanks, and if in wrong forum please move as I am getting used to the change,
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"Of all the major Vintage archetypes that exist and have existed for a significant period of time, Oath of Druids is basically the only won that has never won Vintage Championships and never will (the other being Dredge, which will never win either)." - Some guy who does not know vintage....
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« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2010, 07:18:01 pm » |
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Can I ask why the store owner did not choose to up the proxy count to say, 15? That would allow people to build a variety of competitive decks and still not have to spend money on Drains, Bazaars or Workshops.
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« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2010, 08:05:26 pm » |
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Most stores are very opposed to allowing proxies by fear of selling less cards. Convincing a store owner otherwise can be a very difficult task. Aslo, for smaller tournaments, proxies are generaly not the norm when there are a lot of younger players.
SCG hosting a prozy tournament is one thing, a local store with 10-20 regular players is something else.
As for the deck choice, I would definitively go for Oath, it can be about as fast and strong with P9 and you should rip through any aggro that comes your way. Probably add a couple of Mishra's Factory in place of some Moxen to up your game against aggro, Stax and Control.
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« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2010, 11:38:03 pm » |
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I was hoping not to keep playing oath, it does get boring. Any other ideas?
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"Of all the major Vintage archetypes that exist and have existed for a significant period of time, Oath of Druids is basically the only won that has never won Vintage Championships and never will (the other being Dredge, which will never win either)." - Some guy who does not know vintage....
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« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2010, 11:47:24 pm » |
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Maybe you can convince some people to invest in power?  |
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« Reply #5 on: June 14, 2010, 12:03:03 am » |
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Maybe you can convince some people to invest in power? Did you read the thread? |
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"Of all the major Vintage archetypes that exist and have existed for a significant period of time, Oath of Druids is basically the only won that has never won Vintage Championships and never will (the other being Dredge, which will never win either)." - Some guy who does not know vintage....
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« Reply #6 on: June 14, 2010, 12:10:14 am » |
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I was hoping not to keep playing oath, it does get boring. Any other ideas?
Try rocking with Bomberman with a Lion's Eye Diamond! |
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« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2010, 12:39:14 am » |
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Mono black with Hexmage/Depths combo, and helm/leyline combo. Its still easily good without the mox jet and lotus. Still got tutors and y will.
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« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2010, 01:09:53 am » |
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Mono black with Hexmage/Depths combo, and helm/leyline combo. Its still easily good without the mox jet and lotus. Still got tutors and y will.
That does seem fun! Could I include blue you think or strictly mono black? |
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"Of all the major Vintage archetypes that exist and have existed for a significant period of time, Oath of Druids is basically the only won that has never won Vintage Championships and never will (the other being Dredge, which will never win either)." - Some guy who does not know vintage....
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« Reply #9 on: June 14, 2010, 01:39:51 am » |
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Is it the vintage ban/restricted list?
otherwise id agree with serracollector and play some dark depths deck. maybe splash green for goyfs or if you want to be really mean splash red for fling.
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« Reply #10 on: June 14, 2010, 01:42:40 am » |
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Is it the vintage ban/restricted list?
otherwise id agree with serracollector and play some dark depths deck. maybe splash green for goyfs or if you want to be really mean splash red for fling.
Basically take the current vintage restricted/banned list -5 mox -lotus -time walk -timetwister -ancestral recall I guess I can play the DD deck. |
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"Of all the major Vintage archetypes that exist and have existed for a significant period of time, Oath of Druids is basically the only won that has never won Vintage Championships and never will (the other being Dredge, which will never win either)." - Some guy who does not know vintage....
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« Reply #11 on: June 14, 2010, 06:18:26 am » |
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What about an elfball? With skullclamp online it is good, and reasonable without P9.
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« Reply #12 on: June 14, 2010, 07:31:28 am » |
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Ok so my local store owner tried to solve the problem of the older guys crushing the newer players in vintage. His fix was to ban the power 9 and then make it 0 proxy.
Did it work? |
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« Reply #13 on: June 14, 2010, 10:57:33 am » |
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Ok so my local store owner tried to solve the problem of the older guys crushing the newer players in vintage. His fix was to ban the power 9 and then make it 0 proxy.
Did it work? No. In fact it is worse than previous because now they can't even proxy things like forces to stop us from playing whatever we have the cards for. |
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« Reply #14 on: June 14, 2010, 11:48:12 am » |
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Ok so my local store owner tried to solve the problem of the older guys crushing the newer players in vintage. His fix was to ban the power 9 and then make it 0 proxy.
Did it work? No. In fact it is worse than previous because now they can't even proxy things like forces to stop us from playing whatever we have the cards for. Have you tried to mention that to him in order for him to allow proxies? |
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« Reply #15 on: June 14, 2010, 12:20:58 pm » |
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How about asking him to set things back to how they were before, then trying to separately agree among the powered players to play unpowered lists every other week or somesuch? You might get some pushback from unpowered people only showing on the unpowered weeks (and vice versa), but it sounds to me like the current format is benefitting nobody. If people are still willing to play under what's happening currently, I don't forsee the alternative being any worse for them.
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I suppose it's mostly the thought that this format is just one big Mistake; and not even a very sophisticated one at that.
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« Reply #16 on: June 14, 2010, 03:59:04 pm » |
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How about asking him to set things back to how they were before, then trying to separately agree among the powered players to play unpowered lists every other week or somesuch? You might get some pushback from unpowered people only showing on the unpowered weeks (and vice versa), but it sounds to me like the current format is benefitting nobody. If people are still willing to play under what's happening currently, I don't forsee the alternative being any worse for them.
He will not change the format. The same 4 people win week after week, and people complain.  |
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« Reply #17 on: June 14, 2010, 07:15:11 pm » |
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He will not change the format. The same 4 people win week after week, and people complain. Have you tried getting the people who complained initially to talk to him? If those who pushed for the change in the first place now admit that it made things even worse, that might carry weight. Either way, sorry you got someone so shortsighted running your events. |
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I suppose it's mostly the thought that this format is just one big Mistake; and not even a very sophisticated one at that.
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« Reply #18 on: June 14, 2010, 10:09:24 pm » |
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He will not change the format. The same 4 people win week after week, and people complain. Have you tried getting the people who complained initially to talk to him? If those who pushed for the change in the first place now admit that it made things even worse, that might carry weight. Either way, sorry you got someone so shortsighted running your events. The format is staying. :-/. I just don't want to have to play oath every week to do well. |
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"Of all the major Vintage archetypes that exist and have existed for a significant period of time, Oath of Druids is basically the only won that has never won Vintage Championships and never will (the other being Dredge, which will never win either)." - Some guy who does not know vintage....
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« Reply #19 on: June 16, 2010, 11:39:06 am » |
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He's not sanctioning this is he?
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« Reply #20 on: June 16, 2010, 06:04:41 pm » |
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He's not sanctioning this is he?
Nope |
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"Of all the major Vintage archetypes that exist and have existed for a significant period of time, Oath of Druids is basically the only won that has never won Vintage Championships and never will (the other being Dredge, which will never win either)." - Some guy who does not know vintage....
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« Reply #21 on: June 25, 2010, 11:36:52 pm » |
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I am going to try to play ANT minus the power 9. So I need to cut saph/jet/recall/lotus.
What do I replace them with?
+1 LED/1 Wheel/1 land/?
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