Leyline of Anticipation

[Smmenen]

Even if this card never sees play, its really awesome, conceptually,

Exactly.  I'm mesmerized by this card, just thinking about it in sort of pure magical terms: what it does mean, how does it change the way we play the game, or even think about the game?   The possibilities are increasingly fascinating, too -- which isn't something that can be said about most cards.  Usually the possibilities are immediately apparent, and then less interesting over time.   This card is endlessly intriguing. 

[LotusHead]

Even if this card never sees play, its really awesome, conceptually,

Exactly.  I'm mesmerized by this card, just thinking about it in sort of pure magical terms: what it does mean, how does it change the way we play the game, or even think about the game?   The possibilities are increasingly fascinating, too -- which isn't something that can be said about most cards.  Usually the possibilities are immediately apparent, and then less interesting over time.   This card is endlessly intriguing. 

Perhaps this leyline will give the Draw 7 decks of old the tool they need. EOT draw 7, untap!

[TracerBullet]

Even if this card never sees play, its really awesome, conceptually,

Exactly.  I'm mesmerized by this card, just thinking about it in sort of pure magical terms: what it does mean, how does it change the way we play the game, or even think about the game?   The possibilities are increasingly fascinating, too -- which isn't something that can be said about most cards.  Usually the possibilities are immediately apparent, and then less interesting over time.   This card is endlessly intriguing. 

I first saw it, I immediately asked myself the question - "Would I want to be forced to draw 6 to always be on the play?"  Of course, this doesn't let you lay lands, is 3x extra dead draws in your deck/hand, and adds the "EoT" factor, so it's not directly analogous, but still.  I think I would draw 6 to always be on the play, but what about 5?  Under what circumstances would I want to?  With what decks?

[BruiZar]

This card increases the strength of Demonic Tutor, Ponder, Imperial Seal, Time Walk and Timetwister by so much. The only  deck that really gains from this card is blue control. Going Sapphire with Spell Pierce or Spell Snare up on the draw is savage, but people shouldn't look at this like a first turn card.

[Eye_of_the_Beholder]

Oh my God ! They killed Vintage !  

Leyline of Anticipation sounds seriously broken. I'm wondering what the other 4 will be, if those are a cycle. Maybe the green one makes all your creature spells uncounterable ?

On Mananation they showed that the black one is the reprint of Leyline of the Void.

[DubDub]

Going Sapphire with Spell Pierce or Spell Snare up on the draw is savage, but people shouldn't look at this like a first turn card.

Or you could wait until your turn and have Island + Sapphire to represent Drain without being down one (or more) card(s).

Oh my God ! They killed Vintage ! 

Leyline of Anticipation sounds seriously broken. I'm wondering what the other 4 will be, if those are a cycle. Maybe the green one makes all your creature spells uncounterable ?

On Mananation they showed that the black one is the reprint of Leyline of the Void.

Strange that they'd reprint one of the original Leylines alongside new ones.

[Killane]

It seems to be the deck that may stand to gain the most from this is dredge. Being able to Dread Return at instant speed and Therapy at instant speed really makes all non-leyline hate much much worse, and opens up options for being able to control the few uber-broken things an opponent could do to win game one. I'll be testing dredge with 4 of these as soon as I can get them.

It also helps make FoW a viable sideboard plan, or even a maindeck inclusion.

This case is one of my favorities I've ever seen. Bonkers.

[Tha Gunslinga]

This card is the second coming of Quicken, and we all saw how good that one was.  Cool in theory, in reality just a dead slot.  This one doesn't even cantrip.

[Smmenen]

Going Sapphire with Spell Pierce or Spell Snare up on the draw is savage, but people shouldn't look at this like a first turn card.

Or you could wait until your turn and have Island + Sapphire to represent Drain without being down one (or more) card(s).

Oh my God ! They killed Vintage ! 

Leyline of Anticipation sounds seriously broken. I'm wondering what the other 4 will be, if those are a cycle. Maybe the green one makes all your creature spells uncounterable ?

On Mananation they showed that the black one is the reprint of Leyline of the Void.

Strange that they'd reprint one of the original Leylines alongside new ones.

Not really.  Leyline is a very popular card.  It makes sense to reprint one that is in such high demand.   Also, it's a great card to help balance any graveyard problems that may arise in Standard.   

[Killane]

This card is the second coming of Quicken, and we all saw how good that one was.  Cool in theory, in reality just a dead slot.  This one doesn't even cantrip.

How is this remotely true? Quicken applies to one spell and screws up your whole plan if it gets countered. Leyline costs nothing and can't be coutnered if it starts in play and affects every spell you play for the whole game. You don;t have to build around it, it just makes every non-instant spell in your deck much much better.

[Commandant]

Excellent. I no longer have to win rolls with 4C Belcher.

[Cyberpunker]

Excellent. I no longer have to win rolls with 4C Belcher.

Still gotta worry about those counters.

[Killane]

Excellent. I no longer have to win rolls with 4C Belcher.

Still gotta worry about those counters. Fow and Trap

don't have to worry about Pierce and Drain 

[Commandant]

Excellent. I no longer have to win rolls with 4C Belcher.

Still gotta worry about those counters. Fow and Trap

don't have to worry about Pierce and Drain 

Yes.

Though I'd imagine it would power the Sphere match up from zero to win.

[dangerlinto]

This card is the second coming of Quicken, and we all saw how good that one was.  Cool in theory, in reality just a dead slot.  This one doesn't even cantrip.

How is this remotely true? Quicken applies to one spell sorcery and screws up your whole plan if it gets countered. Leyline costs nothing and can't be coutnered if it starts in play and affects every spell you play for the whole game. You don;t have to build around it, it just makes every non-instant spell in your deck much much better.

Fixed to help make your point.

That being said, the concept is there is very little application that giving any current sorcery or permanent have instant speed will help you accomplish, especially at the cost of a slot.

So far, the best idea I've seen is to help vs Stax's Chalicespehere effects to launch your jewelery into play on their 1st turn.  That sounds kinda sideboard to me.  Is it a better sideboard option vs stax other sb options (keeping in mind you pretty much need to run 4x)?  I don't know if that's true - but maybe.

[nineisnoone]

This card is the second coming of Quicken, and we all saw how good that one was.  Cool in theory, in reality just a dead slot.  This one doesn't even cantrip.

You're joking right?  If not that's just an absurd comparison to make.  You might as well compare Quicken to Ancestral Recall.  Just like Leyline will make one sorcery play at instant speed (like Quicken), Ancestral will draw one card (like Quicken).  Of course... they both do a whole lot more.

[LotusHead]

This card is the second coming of Quicken, and we all saw how good that one was.  Cool in theory, in reality just a dead slot.  This one doesn't even cantrip.

Quicken only affected one sorcery, where as leyline affects all your non-land spells on turn 0.

I admit that I was wrong about the awesomeness of Quicken when it came out, but this card just seems to promising to many deck types.

[SiegeX]

This card increases the strength of Demonic Tutor, Ponder, Imperial Seal, Time Walk and Timetwister by so much. The only  deck that really gains from this card is blue control. Going Sapphire with Spell Pierce or Spell Snare up on the draw is savage, but people shouldn't look at this like a first turn card.

Don't forget about Infernal Tutor.  These could be Demonic Tutor 2-5 when done at EOT.

[BruiZar]

leyline of the void was the second coming of planar void, initially leyline of the void was being bashed by the TMD  community, because its so bad when its not in your hand. well i've got news for you, leyline of anticipation will have more impact than jace

[punki]

Isn't this a great card against stax? If on the draw and you start with this card in play you can still throw down you artifact mana in response to chalice@0 or spheres.

[Delha]

Isn't this a great card against stax? If on the draw and you start with this card in play you can still throw down you artifact mana in response to chalice@0 or spheres.

Did you even read the thread? It is amazing both for AND against Shops.

[Tha Gunslinga]

Quicken only affected one sorcery, where as leyline affects all your non-land spells on turn 0.

Quicken cantrips, this does not.
Quicken can be drawn later, this has to be in your opener.
Quickens in multiples are fine, as they cantrip; Leylines in multiples are useless.

It's the same concept as Quicken; making your cards faster/sneakier, but it's not going to be relevant.

[BruiZar]

Oh god I wanna play this

Million Leylines
4xOpalescence
4xSerra's Sanctum

[Will]

Quicken only affected one sorcery, where as leyline affects all your non-land spells on turn 0.

Quicken cantrips, this does not.
Quicken can be drawn later, this has to be in your opener.
Quickens in multiples are fine, as they cantrip; Leylines in multiples are useless.

It's the same concept as Quicken; making your cards faster/sneakier, but it's not going to be relevant.

Quicken only deals with sorceries, this can be used for any non-land.
Quicken gives you one use, this allows for multiple uses.  

This card isn't really the same concept as Quicken because with Quicken you get one sorcery that you can cast at instant speed whereas with this card your Tendrils deck can now go off on their EOT or if you are really feeling like a champ you could on the draw go Lotus Trinisphere during your opponent's first upkeep.  This card very well may be relevant because it is much more flexible than Quicken.  

[LotusHead]

Also, 2UU is usually not a problem to hardcast if Leyline is not in opening hand.  Sure, it's IDEAL if Leyline is in openning hand, but it's also usually ideal if Yawgwill is not in opening hand.

[Cyberpunker]

leyline of the void was the second coming of planar void, initially leyline of the void was being bashed by the TMD  community, because its so bad when its not in your hand. well i've got news for you, leyline of anticipation will have more impact than jace

Leyline shuts down Dredge and you mulligan against Dredge until you get hate or an awesome hand anyways. This thing I'm not sure is worth mulliganing for.

I hope you are right though

[Tha Gunslinga]

It's the same TYPE of card as quicken, though; it makes your good cards better, but does nothing on its own.  Obviously it's not the SAME card as Quicken, but it's just another win-more card.  Remember how Street Wraith was going to totally revolutionize things and be in every deck ever except Oath?  Exactly.

[TopSecret]

I don't see what this card does that is impressive for Vintage.

Assuming you are going second, if you have the leyline and a mox or two in hand, then you get to play those moxen on your opponent's first turn. That requires two different things going right, drawing moxen and the leyline. Is that really feasible to mull into? Against shops, how often are you going to draw moxen and the leyline and still have a decent remaining hand against the opponent? I haven't done any math, but just eyeballing this scenario it doesn't look like a reliable plan to me.

The rest of the time, if you happen to draw the leyline in an opening hand normally, it allows you to play everything at instant speed and puts you down a card. And other Leylines you draw for the rest of the game are blanks unless you have Force of Will to pitch. Is playing things at instant speed really that big of a deal? You and your opponent will still have the same general amount of mana to work with, so the interactions between both players shouldn't change that much. Maximum, you would probably net 2-3 extra mana on that first turn of your opponent's if everything goes right and it probably wouldn't be any kind of consistent color. And even if that happens, you would have to have some really sick cards left in hand to use that mana since the other 3-4 cards in hand would be the leyline and moxen. So, if you wanted to use the mana netted in the good scenario, you would probably have to be playing MUD or something to use that randomly colored and/or colorless mana. And if that happens then you get to play a Sphere or something first. But then you are down a card and without a draw engine to recoup the loss because you are playing MUD. Even that scenario does not seem very thrilling to me. Plus if you draw a leyline during the game and you are playing MUD, it is not very good at all.

Am I missing something here?

[Tha Gunslinga]

Am I missing something here?

No, the card is terrible.


Using this against Stax/MUD, you have a 100% chance of having at least 3 dead cards in your deck, unless you have more than 1 in your opener, in which case they're great against Smokestack but otherwise are dead in hand.  We'll ignore the "pitches to Force, goes back with Brainstorm" arguments because those apply to any blue card.  You have less than a 50% chance of having one in your opener, in which case you just wasted 4 maindeck slots on a 4-mana enchantment against Stax/MUD that will cost you significantly more than 4 mana and be pretty much useless.  If you do start with one of these in your opener, you have a fairly decent chance of having zero 0-cost artifacts in hand, making it pretty much useless, and a very low chance of having an opening hand that makes this relevant, ie something like Leyline, Lotus, Mox, Jace, or whatever.  It's a win-more card.  If you seriously want to run something that only matters in the opener, run Serum Powder.  That one was going to revolutionize things too.  Or run Gemstone Mine.  Remember all the killer turn 1 plays people thought they had with that?  And the insane turn-zero kills with Flash that no one pulled off?  All the insanity that never happened because the card sucked?

[Rico Suave]

If you seriously want to run something that only matters in the opener, run Serum Powder.  That one was going to revolutionize things too. 

I think it would be best to avoid this example.