reincarnating browse

[waffles]

ive kinda found a way to reincarnate browse, sadly without it, though i need a win condtion must be in at least in blue, preferbally no more than 2 colors. what would you guys choose if you only had 7 cards to work with? ive tried sadtistic sac but the tripple gets in the way even thought of using....(gasp!) helix pinnicle

[Lemnear]

Are your Talking of a doomsday-Pile? Of so, I would try the shelldock Isle/emrakul kill.

[Delha]

Might help if you're more specific about what you're looking for. As Lemnear asked, is this similar to Doomsday? Do you have hand? Is this some sort of 7-card deck format?

Regardless, just straight up running a search on Doomsday lists is probably a good way to dig up ideas. I've been partial to the Shelldock kill since I first heard of it, even if it is probably too cute.

[LotusHead]

Black Lotus
Mox Pearl
Tolarian Academy
 Auriok Salvager
 Pyrite SpellBomb
Force of Will
Random Blue Card

[waffles]

Might help if you're more specific about what you're looking for. As Lemnear asked, is this similar to Doomsday? Do you have hand? Is this some sort of 7-card deck format?

Regardless, just straight up running a search on Doomsday lists is probably a good way to dig up ideas. I've been partial to the Shelldock kill since I first heard of it, even if it is probably too cute.

now that you mention it does look more like doomsday more than browse, but i do say it does act like browse since i can recur it. i was thinking of using sanguine blood + elixir of imortality(well when it comes out) how i get sanguine out is sheldock isle.


1 mystical tutor
1 merchant scroll
1 tinker
1 brainstorm
1 ponder
4 peer through the depths
1 A, Recall
4 force of will
4 memory lapse
4 mana drain
4 paradigm shift
1 long term plans
2 Fabricate
4 sanguine blood

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artifacts
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4 mirror of fate
4 elixir of imortality

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land
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6 island
2 swamp
4 sheldock isle
4 polluted delta

Are your Talking of a doomsday-Pile? Of so, I would try the shelldock Isle/emrakul kill.

My group wont allow me to proxy cards other than the power of 9 and the 2 accepted counters, mana drain and force of will, the rest well im going to have to go find

the list so far as i mentioned before i was having trouble fining a suitable win condition.  I did look at the doomsday decks, they all use tendrils for the win. if the sanguine idea doesnt work i was looking at a few creatures to use wiht shelldock isle: Scalpelexis, Blinding Angel, Child of Alara, deus of Calamity Ghastlord of Fugue, Leveler, Oversoul of Dusk, Akroma, Isleback Spawn, Uyo, Silent Prophet, still browsing around.

for the S&G's i might even do shelldock+apocalpyse

[Lemnear]

The vintage doomsdays Player with tendrils them gush was legal As a Set. Since then i did Not See a Single List. But i've heared of the shelldock/emrakul in Legacy but you don't seem to Search for Storm so i suggestiv that. Moreover it requires less Space than the tendrils kill.

Sorry for all the big letters ... I'm still not used to my new mobile device 

[waffles]

The vintage doomsdays Player with tendrils them gush was legal As a Set. Since then i did Not See a Single List. But i've Grats of the shelldock/emrakul in Legacy but you don't seem to Search for Storm so i suggestiv that. Moreover it requires less Space than the tendrils kill.

ya i didnt want to do tendrils, the search is for finding tinker and paradigm shift after that its well where im stuck. kinda wanted to keep this as a budget list.

[Delha]

A couple more Doomsday stacks, w/out Tendrils.
1) Ancestral Recall
2) Black Lotus
3) Dark Ritual
4) Mind's Desire
5) Beacon of Destruction

Predict
Grapeshot
Lion's Eye Diamond
Conjurer's Bauble
Second Sunrise

[Lemnear]

Budget doomsday ... Guess the best is still the shelldock kill.

Other question ... We're talking about doomsday here but I think we should know what YOU want the Deck to be. I'm still not sure that your Goal with this deck is. What is the idea/the core?

You've posted a control list with a very bad kill. Does the list have to stay that way except the kill? There's plenty of options but I have less information to really help you. Want a combo or a aggro finisher?

[The Atog Lord]

If you want a new card to work with Browse, how about Reito Lantern?

[waffles]

Budget doomsday ... Guess the best is still the shelldock kill.

Other question ... We're talking about doomsday here but I think we should know what YOU want the Deck to be. I'm still not sure that your Goal with this deck is. What is the idea/the core?

You've posted a control list with a very bad kill. Does the list have to stay that way except the kill? There's plenty of options but I have less information to really help you. Want a combo or a aggro finisher?

yes i should clarify what i am doing, the kill is the only thing im having trouble with, it does look like doomsday in practice since i go pradigm shift to mirror of fate choose my 7 then do what i need to do, the exilir is there for recurrsion. Mirror of fate is what makes it doomsday like, just without doomsday.

for reference




intution is fantastic with paradigm shift, and long term plans is fantastic with shelldock isle

[Delha]

Budget doomsday ... Guess the best is still the shelldock kill.

intution is fantastic with paradigm shift, and long term plans is fantastic with shelldock isle

That being said, why don't you just make this a Shelldock/Emrakul list, with multiple distinct ways to execute?

I'd say focus more on the combo build.
-Memory Lapse
-Sanguine Bond
-Elixir of Immortality
-Fabricate

+Show and Tell
+Long Term Plans
+Intuition
+3xEmrakul
+Kolizek/Ulamog
+Tinker Bot? (Dunno how casual you want to keep this. Could replace the secondary Eldrazi.)
+Black Tutors

[waffles]

Budget doomsday ... Guess the best is still the shelldock kill.

intution is fantastic with paradigm shift, and long term plans is fantastic with shelldock isle

That being said, why don't you just make this a Shelldock/Emrakul list, with multiple distinct ways to execute?

I'd say focus more on the combo build.
-Memory Lapse
-Sanguine Bond
-Elixir of Immortality
-Fabricate

+Show and Tell
+Long Term Plans
+Intuition
+3xEmrakul
+Kolizek/Ulamog
+Tinker Bot? (Dunno how casual you want to keep this. Could replace the secondary Eldrazi.)
+Black Tutors

the shelldock kill seems like the only way i can do it efficiently, so ill go that way. i was actually tinkering into mirror of fate, my plan c of this, kinda a 2ndary tutor if it gets removed by leyline or i cant find shelldock+ emerkul

[Lemnear]

Mirror is just a very bad doomsday. Delha made a great suggestion with the Show and tells as alternate Win conditions in Addition to doomsday

[waffles]

Mirror is just a very bad doomsday. Delha made a great suggestion with the Show and tells as alternate Win conditions in Addition to doomsday

as you might have noticed there is no doomsday, its an all blue/artifact list, and no im not adding it, thats not the point of this.

[Lemnear]

Might help if you're more specific about what you're looking for. As Lemnear asked, is this similar to Doomsday? Do you have hand? Is this some sort of 7-card deck format?

Regardless, just straight up running a search on Doomsday lists is probably a good way to dig up ideas. I've been partial to the Shelldock kill since I first heard of it, even if it is probably too cute.

now that you mention it does look more like doomsday more than browse, but i do say it does act like browse since i can recur it. i was thinking of using sanguine blood + elixir of imortality(well when it comes out) how i get sanguine out is sheldock isle.


1 mystical tutor
1 merchant scroll
1 tinker
1 brainstorm
1 ponder
4 peer through the depths
1 A, Recall
4 force of will
4 memory lapse
4 mana drain
4 paradigm shift
1 long term plans
2 Fabricate
4 sanguine blood

------------------------
artifacts
------------------------
4 mirror of fate
4 elixir of imortality

----------
land
---------
6 island
2 swamp
4 sheldock isle
4 polluted delta

Are your Talking of a doomsday-Pile? Of so, I would try the shelldock Isle/emrakul kill.

My group wont allow me to proxy cards other than the power of 9 and the 2 accepted counters, mana drain and force of will, the rest well im going to have to go find

the list so far as i mentioned before i was having trouble fining a suitable win condition.  I did look at the doomsday decks, they all use tendrils for the win. if the sanguine idea doesnt work i was looking at a few creatures to use wiht shelldock isle: Scalpelexis, Blinding Angel, Child of Alara, deus of Calamity Ghastlord of Fugue, Leveler, Oversoul of Dusk, Akroma, Isleback Spawn, Uyo, Silent Prophet, still browsing around.

for the S&G's i might even do shelldock+apocalpyse

This deck u posted is UB und not all blue so I thought the UB shell stays the same. Now you tell me that the WHOLE deck will be mono-blue ... no wonder I'm confused.

[Delha]

[its an all blue/artifact list

Then why are you running swamps?

Regarding my suggestions, the idea was to have many ways of getting Emrakul into play. Very focused decks are very easily hated out. In order to do well, they typically have to be very fast, which this list does not appear to be. The last obviously depends on what other people in your meta bring this week.

[waffles]

[its an all blue/artifact list

Then why are you running swamps?

Regarding my suggestions, the idea was to have many ways of getting Emrakul into play. Very focused decks are very easily hated out. In order to do well, they typically have to be very fast, which this list does not appear to be. The last obviously depends on what other people in your meta bring this week.

sorry to confuse everyone should have been more clear from the start. The only reason for the 2 swamps was so i could cast sanguine blood, but that is a falure of a win con, so i went with emerkul. In doing that i dropped sanguine and the 2 swamps.

[TheShop]

When I read this the first thing I thought about was modifying to make the a dedicated control deck that happened to run tinker + bot, show and tell, and the doomsday with the shelldock/emrakul thing.  This is the best budget idea for a deck I have seen in a long time because it can run on rituals.  4x dark ritual, 1 sol ring, 1 lotus petal, 1 mana crypt, and 1 mana vault are the cheapest acceleration viable in vintage.  That said...why not something along these lines:

Also, not adding black to a combo deck that obviously runs better by using doomsday is not wise...you even get cheap (money & mana) tutors and draw...and accel.

4 Doomsday
1 Emrakul
1 DSC/Inkwell/sphinx
4 ritual

4 force - dont know if you have this either
4 spell pierce
4 duress
2-3 bounce

1 demo
1 vamp
1 tinker
1 necropotence??? cheapest draw spell available (mana and money wise)
1 brainstorm
1 ponder
2-3 preordain

1 sol ring
1 mana vault
1 lotus petal
1 mana crypt
1 Shell isle
4 polluted delta
2 island
2 swamp
4 underground sea - Dont know if you have duals, but seas can be more islands and swamps depending on how budget this is.

That is 44ish with no power if I count right and I bet this deck would be pretty sick in a non-powered environment.  Counterspells + Big scary dude = victory versus random kids.  Counterspell would even be good in here instead of drain... you could do something like

4 force
4 counterspell
4 spell pierce
2-3 bounce

that is a wall of disruption before you just ritual into a game winning doomsday.  I havent tested this, but it looks like a turn 4-5 deck no matter how you slice it.  Tutors and draw will make it more consistent and if you pack 12+ disruption spells, your life total will probably be okay long enough to see a 15/15 eat faces.  I may build this myself for kicks.

[waffles]

The idea was to reincarnate browse, a deck that was once compeditive long ago now, only works in casual. This deck funtioned by removing most of the cards from the deck and recurring the cards in the graveyard. I tried to make this compeditive again by trying  to speed up my the removal of my deck then to tutor for key cards to recur. i was trying to accompish that with mirror of fate and paradigm shift, although it hasnt turned out that way.  the reason for all the blue tutors was to find paradigm shfit and the mirror, acting like a tutor that can be tinkered in, or welded into and would get me what i needed after the shift had removed my deck. But this hasn't turned out to be a reincarnation. here is an updated list

1 mystical tutor
1 merchant scroll
1 tinker
1 brainstorm
1 ponder
3 peer through the depths
1 A, Recall
4 force of will
4 deprive
4 mana drain
4 paradigm shift
4 long term plans
4 intuition
4 ak
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2 elixir of immortality
2 mirror of fate
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4 shelldock isle
4 emrakul
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8 island
1 strip
4 wasteland
8 fetch

i might try a U/W mirror of fate with crumbling santuary

[Lemnear]

First you drop black to run it mono now you consider white to Splash ... Dude, I'm speachless at this point.

Sets of rituals, emrakuls, doomsdays, shelldocks and show and tells ... What a nice pet.

[Delha]

I realize you're not necessarily trying to build optimally, but at least let us know the rules you're working with. Does the deck have to exlude black? Is Tinker->Bot or Show and Tell->Emrakul too broken for your meta?

We got really little in terms of guidelines, but you really seem to be making inferior choice for no apparent reason. I mean seriously, Deprive? Why would you pick something that's pretty much strictly inferior to Counterspell? Why are you running 5 strips in a deck that runs 8 counters that demand UU? Why is Elixir of Immortality still in the list if Sanguine Bond was cut?

[TheShop]

I know you dont want to play doomsday...but I am so excited about this deck.  I have been building on a budget for years and have come to a few conclusions-

1)  budget decks absolutely blow at mana creation due to lack of power...I know you can proxy power, but hear me out.  this problem often stops a budget version of a real vintage deck from working...try budget tendrils with no moxes or lotus (sucks), budget stax with no shops (sucks)...when you end up playing a real deck that is watered down you end up losing to people playing a well tuned extended deck.  Rituals do a great deal to shore up this fundamental problem.

2)  kill conditions-  when picking a kill condition for a budget deck, mana cost and monetary cost are the most important issues.  Cant play tendrils, because it costs 4 and a lot of set up.  Cant play Trike, because 6 mana wont materialize.  Painter is ok...but 6 mana is a lot even when you split it.  The best ones are usually decks like dragon (3 mana), stifle naught (2 mana), flash (2 mana...1 land+ESG).  This deck has the opportunity to play just black and blue (a godsend of colors for a budget because you get cheap tutors, draw, and tinker) and win using 1 ritual and 1 blue mana...or tinker (best thing that could have happened to budget kill conditions) or show and tell (decent cost).  Added bonus - shelldock isle is 49 cents online.

3)  budget spells can run the exact same disruption of full-fledged vintage powerhouse in UB.  If you can have a cheap enough win condition, you can hold people off.

4) draw will be your worst enemy when building on a budget - necropotence and maybe even skeletal scrying are the balls.  your options are really limited and these help if you can draw them.  Fof and gifts cost too much mana and slow the deck down, you get them a turn later for lack of moxen.  Ancestral is out for a real budget deck.  When they took brainstorm and merch scroll, that hurt budget players the most IMHO because it keeps you from hand fixing by losing repetitive lands you had to run to make up for no moxen and from finding Fof every game.

5)  winning versus chumps.  playing budget decks with a weak kill condition lose to random garbage just because you cant plan to disrupt every crappy deck that walks through the door.  I have died to some of the dumbest stuff (white weenie, sarcomancy token, enchantress...etc) just because I played a deck with too slow a win condition.  The best thing you can do for yourself in a budget situation is to play combo and go for the throat.

Soap box speech over - and now to the point:  You have a golden opportunity to house people with cheap cards and win that was not always available.  Dropping emrakul and being able to play duress/spell piece/force/counterspell/bounce is great.

Sorry if I rambled a bit, but until today I had never noticed the shelldock/doomsday combo and this is one of the neater tricks.

[waffles]

So, i did a play test of it with the changes suggested here and i have to admit that i was quite supprised. althought not the thing i had in mind it will do nicely for this event.

[Delha]

So, i did a play test of it with the changes suggested here and i have to admit that i was quite supprised. althought not the thing i had in mind it will do nicely for this event.

Good luck at the event, looking forward to seeing your final list and hearing how you did.

[waffles]

So, i did a play test of it with the changes suggested here and i have to admit that i was quite supprised. althought not the thing i had in mind it will do nicely for this event.

Good luck at the event, looking forward to seeing your final list and hearing how you did.

ran pretty much The Shop's list few changes were i didnt get to proxy though

4 Doomsday
2 Emrakul
1 Inkwell
4 ritual

4 force
4 spell pierce
4 duress
1 echoing truth

1 demo
1 vamp
1 tinker
1 necropotence
1 brainstorm
1 ponder
1 preordain
1 show and tell
1 mystical
1 merchant scroll


1 mana vault
1 lotus petal
2 Shell isle
4 polluted delta
6 island
6 swamp

[Delha]

Cool. How'd you do with it? What was good/bad for you in the list?

[TheShop]

Running a list that I suggest is always frightening.  I apologize for not testing it some before I threw it out there.  I would like to know how it turned out.  The mana costs really sold me on the combo itself from a budget player perspective.

[waffles]

Cool. How'd you do with it? What was good/bad for you in the list?

took 5th, stupid strip heavy meta

[Lemnear]

Strips are the Natural predator of shelldock that's why we suggested Show and tells. How could strip hurt you so Bad? Didn't you stack a 2. Emrakul and the Show and Tell in the doomsday Pile as backup? What were your Stacks?