GenCon Indy 2010 Results Thread

[Rome]

I will post as soon as I am home I don't recall a mono r

[Rome]

1 barbarian ring
1 tolarian acedemy
1 strip mine
1 bazaar of bagdahd
3 gemstone mine
4 wasteland
4 mishras workshop
4 city of brass

1 gorilla shaman
1 sundering Titan
1 Karan silver golem
3 goblin welder
4 lodestone golem

1 vampiric tutor
1 crop rotation
1 ancestral recall

1 demonic tutor
1 tinker

1 sol ring
1 time vault
1 ensnaring bridge
1 voltaic key
1 mox pearl
1 mox jet
1 mox emerald
1 mox sapphire
1 mox ruby
1 trinisphere
1 black lotus
2 crucible of worlds
3 smoke stack
3 tangle wire
3 chalice of the void
4 sphere of resistance

sb
1 ensnaring bridge
3 natures claim
3 red elemental blast
4 leyline of the void
4 leyline of sanctity

[Leooooh]

Did you top eight with this list Rome??

[Juggernaut GO]

The shop player that made top 4 was Michael Gouthro. It was a combination of being tired and not having played in like a year. Give the man a break .

That proves my point, I am not taking a shot at the guy, I am just refuting the argument that just because this particular deck won a 100 person tournament, doesn't by any means indicate that it is optimal.

I've been 2 fisted testing this deck vs stax for the past two nights on mws and it just gets crushed, I must have played out at least 50 matches and it's just not close unless the tezz list draws extremely lucky.  Spell pierce is just horrible.  Not sure what else to say except that the stars must have aligned at vintage champs for this deck to take 2 spots in the top 8

[Iron_Chef]

Would you mind sharing your decklist? I'm building my Oath list anew, so I'm always looking for inspiration...

Thanks,

Robrecht

Matt Elias and I played 74/75 between us.  This decklist is 100% him; I severely barned it off him because I hadn't had the chance to test.  I played Relic in the board, while he played a rav trap. (i was more concerned about the leyline plan for ichorid)

4 Oath of Druids
1 Sphinx of the Steel Wind
1 Iona, Shield of Emeria
1 Terastodon
1 Time Vault
1 Voltaic Key
1 Tezzeret, the Seeker
2 Jace, the Mind Seeker

4 Force of Will
3 Spell Pierce
3 Mana Drain  

1 Brainstorm
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Tinker
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Hurkyl's Recall
1 See Beyond
1 Merchant Scroll
1 Gifts Ungiven
1 Time Walk
1 Nature's Claim
1 Yawgmoth's Will

1 Mana Crypt
1 Sol Ring
1 Black Lotus
5 Mox

4 Forbidden Orchard
2 Underground Sea
2 Tropical Island
1 Volcanic Island
2 Island
1 Flooded Strand
4 Polluted Delta
1 Strip Mine

Sideboard:
2 Mindbreak Trap
2 Red Elemental Blast
1 Nature's Claim
1 Firespout
1 Massacre  
1 Relic of Progenitus
1 Tormod's Crypt
2 Pithing Needle
4 Leyline of the Void

Here was how one of my games went vs Rome:

Me; keep broken hand w/o FoW (on the draw)

Him:

City of Brass, Black Lotus, tap city for G, crop rotation city into workshop, sac lotus for BBB and cast Demonic tutor, tap workshop and play vault/key, use the mana floating and take infinite turns (there may have been a mox in there somewhere, i was too dazzled by that series of plays to remember exactly what happened )

For both of the matches I lost all day, I can look back and see three distinct plays I made where five seconds later I felt as thought I was on the game show "Are you a better Vintage player then a 5th grader"  Answer: no.

I was 5-1 at the end of the swiss, and although I was at table 3, I was unable to draw because the tiebreakers were too close, down to 11th place were 5-1 players.  I played a feature match vs. Bob Maher and punted game 1 pretty hard.

[The Atog Lord]

It is, beyond the game and beyond the excitement of the World Championship, the amazing people who make Gencon what it is. It is the game that brings us together, but it is the people who make that gathering worthwhile. Were I to mention names of people that I had the chance to talk with and spend time with, I'd fill the page -- so let it be sufficient to say that I relish the chance to see everyone, and that I wish I had more time to spend and to meet with even more people that I missed. Thanks in particular to Micah who gave me a place to crash.

Regarding actual Vintage play, Gencon was a testament to the celerity with which the Vintage metagame does shift. I played in three events over the weekend, the first being a Vintage Prelim tournament. I split the finals of this event, which had about 30 participants, and did not drop a match the entire time. My deck of choice was Oath, running 27 maindeck mana sources and a large number of Jace. I could have asked nothing more from my deck than what it gave me during the prelim.

Two byes in hand, I then entered the Vintage Championships. And finished x-2, making Top 16 but missing the coveted Top Eight. My two loses are nothing to complain about. I lost a match to Owen, who went on to win. His deck ripped my Oath build apart. And while I would like to be able to say that I gave Owen a close match, in truth I was crushed. My other loss occurred at the hands of Kevin Cron, who has returned to us from below. And how can I complain about losing to a player of Kevin's caliber? His play was impeccable; I saw several occasions for a misplay, but Kevin made the correct play at each juncture. He defeated me in a close series of three games.

Aside from those two loses, I went undefeated in the Vintage World Championships. And I got myself a foreign off-center Taiga and Tropical Island from the packs I was given, a fine prize indeed. Matters turned sour, however, in the absurd Vintage tournament at 11PM on Saturday Night.

There, I was crushed. It was so bad that I even lost to a deck with Vedalken Archmage in it. I finished the full Yotian Soldier, the worst performance I can recall. The metagame had shifted overnight from one of expensive unrestricted lands, to one of Blue and Drains. And my Oath build, metagamed against Zombies and Golems, was entirely unprepared for a world of Mahers and flying Beasts. I can conclude that Owen's deck, be it Fish or Control or something new entirely, has a strong matchup against Oath.

But I stayed in until the end of the tournament because I was having a blast with awesome people. And that, really, is what Gencon is all about.

[Juggernaut GO]

It could have been worse, Rich.  You could have lost to memnarch.

I hope you are coming to Waterbury.

[M.Solymossy]

There, I was crushed. It was so bad that I even lost to a deck with Vedalken Archmage in it.

Oh man, this post makes my whole time @ Gencon worth it.

For those of you that don't know, rich lost to me with the VA Technology.  I had already blown through Willenium and Minds Desire, so I was pretty much dead.   He had oath in play, adn eventually owuld Terestadon my Jace away.   So I Vamped for ARchmage, adn then played it.  I then proceeded to draw AT LEAST 15 cards between the Hurkyl's in my hand, and drawing more artifacts, and rebuild.  I then brainfreezed him for his deck.

[Neonico]

I disagree with Ochoa's list being in their favor against Mud, and hopefully Owen will chime in as he knows better than I do about that list.

I also disagree with Jace not being as good as fact or gifts.  The winning list didn't run Gifts or Fact.

I myself didn't run Gifts, Fact, Thirst, OR Merchant Scroll, instead going with 2x Jace. I didn't miss any of them.  

Both Gifts and Fact would definitely be more playable if they were unrestricted, but Jace unrestricted is better than 95% of the other cards you can play

I tested alot Ochoa's list and the Spanish list of Jacerator, and i have been crushed, at least post board, by the 2 decks. They are really solid against MUD, slightly favorable game 1 (something like 55-45) but they are really allmost unbeatable post board. I must admit that my results were better against Ochoa's list than against the Spanish Jacerator list.

And i still disagree with you in a Ugb deck that gifts is <<< jace. If you play Regrowth, key/vault, you should play gifts, not a 3rd jace.
And for the denial matchups, i would never cutt thirst for a Jace, the instant speed is really important in this particular matchup, even if overall, the card is weaker.

That's the 2 main reasons that make me prefer the spanish version (no confidants for gifts/thirst/regrowth and more nature's claim/mana drain instead of the thoughtseize) than Ochoa's list.

[M.Solymossy]

I tested alot Ochoa's list and the Spanish list of Jacerator, and i have been crushed, at least post board, by the 2 decks. They are really solid against MUD, slightly favorable game 1 (something like 55-45) but they are really allmost unbeatable post board. I must admit that my results were better against Ochoa's list than against the Spanish Jacerator list.

And i still disagree with you in a Ugb deck that gifts is <<< jace. If you play Regrowth, key/vault, you should play gifts, not a 3rd jace.
And for the denial matchups, i would never cutt thirst for a Jace, the instant speed is really important in this particular matchup, even if overall, the card is weaker.

That's the 2 main reasons that make me prefer the spanish version (no confidants for gifts/thirst/regrowth and more nature's claim/mana drain instead of the thoughtseize) than Ochoa's list.

Brassman and I were both told by owen that the shop matchup is still loose.  Owen beat them because they made mistakes.    And honestly, I'd rather play no confidants myself, but you HAVE TO to keep up with THEIR confidants. 

[Rome]

Yes that was my top 8 deck list leoooh.

Oh Nick you love me dont lie =P

[Smmenen]

It is, beyond the game and beyond the excitement of the World Championship, the amazing people who make Gencon what it is. It is the game that brings us together, but it is the people who make that gathering worthwhile. Were I to mention names of people that I had the chance to talk with and spend time with, I'd fill the page -- so let it be sufficient to say that I relish the chance to see everyone, and that I wish I had more time to spend and to meet with even more people that I missed. Thanks in particular to Micah who gave me a place to crash.

Regarding actual Vintage play, Gencon was a testament to the celerity with which the Vintage metagame does shift. I played in three events over the weekend, the first being a Vintage Prelim tournament. I split the finals of this event, which had about 30 participants, and did not drop a match the entire time. My deck of choice was Oath, running 27 maindeck mana sources and a large number of Jace. I could have asked nothing more from my deck than what it gave me during the prelim.

Two byes in hand, I then entered the Vintage Championships. And finished x-2, making Top 16 but missing the coveted Top Eight. My two loses are nothing to complain about. I lost a match to Owen, who went on to win. His deck ripped my Oath build apart. And while I would like to be able to say that I gave Owen a close match, in truth I was crushed. My other loss occurred at the hands of Kevin Cron, who has returned to us from below. And how can I complain about losing to a player of Kevin's caliber? His play was impeccable; I saw several occasions for a misplay, but Kevin made the correct play at each juncture. He defeated me in a close series of three games.

Aside from those two loses, I went undefeated in the Vintage World Championships. And I got myself a foreign off-center Taiga and Tropical Island from the packs I was given, a fine prize indeed. Matters turned sour, however, in the absurd Vintage tournament at 11PM on Saturday Night.

There, I was crushed. It was so bad that I even lost to a deck with Vedalken Archmage in it. I finished the full Yotian Soldier, the worst performance I can recall. The metagame had shifted overnight from one of expensive unrestricted lands, to one of Blue and Drains. And my Oath build, metagamed against Zombies and Golems, was entirely unprepared for a world of Mahers and flying Beasts. I can conclude that Owen's deck, be it Fish or Control or something new entirely, has a strong matchup against Oath.

But I stayed in until the end of the tournament because I was having a blast with awesome people. And that, really, is what Gencon is all about.

Rich -- I'm really glad that that was your attitude about Gencon.  In the past, I've watched you duck out of tournaments - including Vintage Champs -- after being knocked out of Top 8 contention.   The fact that you played through because you enjoyed the format speaks volumes about you and the format.   I did the same thing -- I kept playing even though I was mathematically eliminated just because I enjoy the format so much.   I just wish more players did that.  Better luck next year. 

Any idea who/what ended up winning the 11pm tournament? 

[Womba]

Any idea who/what ended up winning the 11pm tournament? 

It was me with dredge and brandon jones with two card monte in the finals. Organized a split for the camera and then I to got crushed by my worse match-up.

Top 4 was David Williams with UBG Key and Jesse Martin with Storm

The rest of the top 8 in that was Michael Gouthro- UBG Key, David Ho- Oath, Hiromichi Ito- UGB Key, and Yasuo Tachiki with UBG Key

[M.Solymossy]

I want to see Brandon's list.  5c 2card monte was somewhat interesting to me.

[fowftw]

Over on www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/feature/104c, the following two decklists are given as ones in the Top 8:

//Vincent Forino
//Main deck: 60 cards
4 Ancient Tomb
4 Mishra's Workshop
3 Rishadan Port
1 Strip Mine
1 Tolarian Academy
4 Wasteland
//17 lands
2 Duplicant
3 Karn, Silver Golem
4 Lodestone Golem
//9 creatures
4 Chalice of the Void
3 Crucible of Worlds
1 Mana Crypt
1 Mana Vault
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Sapphire
4 Serum Powder
4 Smokestack
1 Sol Ring
4 Tangle Wire
2 Thorn of Amethyst
5 Unknown Card
//34 other spells
//Sideboard
SB: 1 Crucible of Worlds
SB: 3 Ghost Quarter
SB: 4 Leyline of the Void
SB: 4 Maze of Ith
SB: 3 Pithing Needle
//15 sideboard cards

//AJ Sacher
//Main deck: 60 cards
1 Bloodstained Mire
2 Island
4 Polluted Delta
2 Swamp
3 Underground Sea
//12 lands
//0 creatures
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Black Lotus
1 Brainstorm
2 Cabal Ritual
1 Chain of Vapor
4 Dark Ritual
1 Demonic Tutor
4 Force of Will
1 Grim Tutor
1 Gush
1 Hurkyl's Recall
1 Imperial Seal
1 Lotus Petal
1 Mana Crypt
1 Mana Vault
1 Memory Jar
1 Merchant Scroll
1 Mind's Desire
1 Misdirection
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Necropotence
1 Ponder
4 Preordain
1 Sol Ring
2 Tendrils of Agony
1 Time Walk
1 Timetwister
1 Tinker
1 Unknown Card
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Yawgmoth's Bargain
1 Yawgmoth's Will
//48 other spells
//Sideboard
SB: 4 Dark Confidant
SB: 1 Darksteel Colossus
SB: 1 Duress
SB: 1 Helm of Obedience
SB: 2 Hurkyl's Recall
SB: 4 Leyline of the Void
SB: 1 Massacre
SB: 1 Rebuild
//15 sideboard cards

What are the "5 Unknown Card" in Forino's list and the "1 Unknown Card" in Sacher's list supposed to be? Anyone know? Thanks.

[Bibendum]

Vincents 5 look like 4 sphere of resistance and a Trinisphere

[Smmenen]

The results can't be right.

Jesse Martin beat AJ Sacher, meaning that Jesse made top 4.   

[voltron00x]

The bracket is wrong, Vinnie lost in Top 8, and Ryan’s name is “Ryan Glackin” not “Ryan Glaskin”. 

[Smmenen]

What a mess

[DubDub]

Over on www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/feature/104c, the following two decklists are given as ones in the Top 8:

The section of Nate Price's article (here) on Vintage was fine, and hopefully works to dispel some of the myths about the format, but I did notice that the link to the decklists was "Vintage Block Championship Top 8 Decklists".

Can't wait for the next rotation!

[voltron00x]

What a mess

There's nothing in this TO's history to suggest we should expect anything else, sorry to say.

[Troy_Costisick]

What a mess

There's nothing in this TO's history to suggest we should expect anything else, sorry to say.

Uh, yeah.  Pasttimes has bungled every tournament I've been to that they've ran.  It comes as no surprise that they messed this up too