Mox Opal in scars!

[Delha]

What Mox can you name that costs more than zero? Hint: Don't say Mox Lotus. Silver bordered cards mean nothing.

[Killane]

This will likely have kicker and sunburst - something like Everflowing Chalice.

Mox Opal
0
Artifact

Kicker X
Sunburst
T: add 1 mana of any color spent on this kicker.

bad templating, but you get the idea.

[DubDub]

What Mox can you name that costs more than zero? Hint: Don't say Mox Lotus. Silver bordered cards mean nothing.

Really?  Isn't it always the case that they haven't done something until they do...?  Name a cascade card from before Alara Reborn.

[M.Solymossy]

What Mox can you name that costs more than zero? Hint: Don't say Mox Lotus. Silver bordered cards mean nothing.

Really?  Isn't it always the case that they haven't done something until they do...?  Name a cascade card from before Alara Reborn.

Cascade is a block mechanic, Mox is a reminiscance of a world few magic players have seen (playing the original moxes).  Moxes will continue to effectively cost 0, because of Nastalgia.

[DubDub]

What Mox can you name that costs more than zero? Hint: Don't say Mox Lotus. Silver bordered cards mean nothing.

Really?  Isn't it always the case that they haven't done something until they do...?  Name a cascade card from before Alara Reborn.

Cascade is a block mechanic, Mox is a reminiscance of a world few magic players have seen (playing the original moxes).  Moxes will continue to effectively cost 0, because of Nastalgia.

Look, I'm not saying that it definitely will have a non-zero cost, I'm just saying it's a possibility.  Having a cost reducing ability and a non-zero cost on Mox Opal could make it a reference to the first Mirrodin set, which had Affinity.  Again, look at Gilded Lotus as an example of playing off nostalgia without conforming to some arbitrary 'Loti cost 0' rule.

[Delha]

Look, I'm not saying that it definitely will have a non-zero cost, I'm just saying it's a possibility.  Having a cost reducing ability and a non-zero cost on Mox Opal could make it a reference to the first Mirrodin set, which had Affinity.  Again, look at Gilded Lotus as an example of playing off nostalgia without conforming to some arbitrary 'Loti cost 0' rule.

The difference here is that Lotus is one card, not a collection thereof.  If you list all the cards with Lotus in the name, you get creatures, and a land along with the artifacts. On the other hand, every single Mox is a zero costed artifact. The word "Lotus" does not have any coherent precendent. The word "Mox" does.

I wouldn't say that there's no way Opal will cost mana. I'm just saying that based on the pattern they've stuck to thus far, it's unlikely. That said, with Delve sounded like a way to hit both options. It has a mana cost, but is also still "free" under the right circumstances.

[Cyberpunker]

How about just card disadvantage like Chrome Mox and Mox Diamond? This time maybe just letting the opponent draw a card or something?

[Lemnear]

Maybe it's like mox diamond but instead of discarding a Land card this eats a artifact. Could be the comeback of Goblin welder ...  XD

[DubDub]

So poison counters are making a return in Scars... could we get:

Mox Opal - 0
Artifact
T: Add  (or maybe 'one mana of any color') to your mana pool.  You get 1 poison counter.

That is incredibly busted, so I don't think it's likely.  At two poison counters it starts to get just dangerous enough to be fair.

[Delha]

So poison counters are making a return in Scars... could we get:

Mox Opal - 0
Artifact
T: Add  (or maybe 'one mana of any color') to your mana pool.  You get 1 poison counter.

That is incredibly busted, so I don't think it's likely.  At two poison counters it starts to get just dangerous enough to be fair.

Honestly, I think two is still probably too few. Maybe something like "You get 1 poison counter, then double the number of poison counters you have". IMO, the drawback for Moxen really has to be quite severe in order for it to balance out the power.

[Killane]

So poison counters are making a return in Scars... could we get:

Mox Opal - 0
Artifact
T: Add  (or maybe 'one mana of any color') to your mana pool.  You get 1 poison counter.

That is incredibly busted, so I don't think it's likely.  At two poison counters it starts to get just dangerous enough to be fair.

Honestly, I think two is still probably too few. Maybe something like "You get 1 poison counter, then double the number of poison counters you have". IMO, the drawback for Moxen really has to be quite severe in order for it to balance out the power.

Yes, but I doubt the play testers would get that given the track record (ahem, Goyf, ahem). Plus you have to consider that the Infect ability looks like it could add poison much mroe quickly then we are used to. Given the art and what we know of the set, I bet that it interacts with Poison. Maybe oyu have to have a Poison counter to use it, or maybe it is as simple as add 1 counter when you do. BUSTED!!!!

[sundering jerk]

It would be broken yet awesome if it was simply a colorless mox. straight up. /dream

Yea, I've always wanted them to print something like like Mox Granite Tap for 1 colorless deal you 1 damage.  Not that it will ever happen, but if it did, welcome to the Restricted List haha.

That is indeed a vintage dream, but I don't see it as realistic.

I am sure of one thing; Wizards loves money! With the business revelation of Tarm Wizards has realized that printing a huge broken money card is sure to sell packs. And by making it mythic after promising mythics wont be staples it will sell more packs. Tarm, then Wallet Slayer angel in the same sets as lesser 5CC angels and now Jace. It's what I would do if I ran the company.

BUT, Wizards doesn't want to make the T2 formats to "cost driven" because then it will lower pack sales as players become disenchanted. I think it would be a good guess to say it is likely to help the artifact aspect of the set, but that sure wouldn't make enough money.

And since we know this mox has to be good but not toooo good (cast Jace on T2 good) my guess would be a mox which only produces mana for artifacts (since artifacts arn't to broken in legacy or T2) or some other drawback. Perhaps it will only exist while their are other artifacts on the board just like glimmer void.

In conclusion ... I just know it will be good, you must buy it.

[TopSecret]

If this mox is like Mox Diamond except for artifacts, as in you discard an artifact (not exile) and add mana of any color, it'll be so shit crazy with Goblin Welder that it's not even remotely funny.

[Gambit]

If this mox is like Mox Diamond except for artifacts, as in you discard an artifact (not exile) and add mana of any color, it'll be so shit crazy with Goblin Welder that it's not even remotely funny.

It would almost certainly exile the artifact, and my guess is if mox diamond was printed today would also exile the land.

[metalhead666]

If this mox is like Mox Diamond except for artifacts, as in you discard an artifact (not exile) and add mana of any color, it'll be so shit crazy with Goblin Welder that it's not even remotely funny.

It would almost certainly exile the artifact, and my guess is if mox diamond was printed today would also exile the land.

The artifact would be discarded, not exiled, because Wizards clearly never thinks of any format except Type 2 and Block when designing new cards/sets.  Then the DCI will overreact to this new Mox in Type 1 and Legacy and restrict/ban it before the format even has a chance to adapt to it and see if it even is that powerful.

[Evenpence]

Mox Opal

If Mox Opal would enter the battlefield, you may discard an artifact card instead. If you do, put Mox Opal onto the battlefield. If you don't, put it into its owner's graveyard.
 : Add   mana of any color to your mana pool.



-- Restricted December, 2010.



You heard it here first folks.  Just saying.

[Gambit]

Mox Opal

If Mox Opal would enter the battlefield, you may discard an artifact card instead. If you do, put Mox Opal onto the battlefield. If you don't, put it into its owner's graveyard.
 : Add   mana of any color to your mana pool.



-- Restricted December, 2010.



You heard it here first folks.  Just saying.

The RETURN of Slaver!!

[DubDub]

I think 'Restricted, September 20th, 2010' is more likely, if that is its rules text.  Probably banned in Legacy too.

[xerent]

I still think that "Mox Opal  , When Mox Opal enters the battlefield, exile an artifact. : Add to your mana pool." is a pretty good bet: If you have no artifacts, you'll have to exile your own Mox. If you have played an artifact, you'll have to exile that instead. You could run a playset of Ornithopters though. That'd be the day. The artifact is exiled to prevent Goblin Welder combo. This doesn't explain the colors in the opal art, though.

[policehq]

I still think that "Mox Opal  , When Mox Opal enters the battlefield, exile an artifact. : Add to your mana pool." is a pretty good bet: If you have no artifacts, you'll have to exile your own Mox. If you have played an artifact, you'll have to exile that instead. You could run a playset of Ornithopters though. That'd be the day. The artifact is exiled to prevent Goblin Welder combo. This doesn't explain the colors in the opal art, though.

There are plenty of options if they wanted to print a colorless mox.

What if they're printing one Leyline mox with a casting cost of 3 (or no casting cost) for each color throughout the block? The first set gets Opal (White), then the next two get two a piece.

[Delha]

What if they're printing one Leyline mox with a casting cost of 3 (or no casting cost) for each color throughout the block? The first set gets Opal (White), then the next two get two a piece.

Opal is a very unusual choice of name for white mox though. There are surely better choices of gemstones. The fact that opals are typically multicolored is also a big part of why I suspect this won't be limited to colorless mana.

[ELD]

If we're taking guesses at Mox Opal:

Mox Opal

Imprint — When Mox Opal enters the battlefield, you may exile a card from your hand.
 : Add one mana of any color to your mana pool.  Spend this mana only to cast spells that share a card type with the imprinted card.

[Delha]

If we're taking guesses at Mox Opal:

Mox Opal

Imprint — When Mox Opal enters the battlefield, you may exile a card from your hand.
 : Add one mana of any color to your mana pool.  Spend this mana only to cast spells that share a card type with the imprinted card.

I kinda like this one, sounds like interesting design space.

[AmbivalentDuck]

Or an allegiance: mirrodin or phyrexia.  That makes it virtually unplayable in the eternal formats.

[Delha]

Or an allegiance: mirrodin or phyrexia.  That makes it virtually unplayable in the eternal formats.

Uh... wut?

[AmbivalentDuck]

The cards in Scars can have watermarks on them indicating whether they belong to Mirrodin or Phyrexia.  While we know now that the Mox behaves differently, it very well could have produced mana that was only usable to cast spells with one of the two watermarks.  In that case, since at most a handful of vintage viable cards will have watermarks, the Mox would have been unplayable.

[DubDub]

The cards in Scars can have watermarks on them indicating whether they belong to Mirrodin or Phyrexia.  While we know now that the Mox behaves differently, it very well could have produced mana that was only usable to cast spells with one of the two watermarks.  In that case, since at most a handful of vintage viable cards will have watermarks, the Mox would have been unplayable.

http://www.themanadrain.com/index.php?topic=41119.msg570651;boardseen#new

Nope.

[Darkenslight]

Mox Opal comfirmed.

Zero-cost artifact, with ability word Metalcraft.  It taps for one mana of any colour provided that you control three or more other artifacts.

[Adan]

Mox Opal comfirmed.

Zero-cost artifact, with ability word Metalcraft.  It taps for one mana of any colour provided that you control three or more other artifacts.

However, it's legendary. So... it blows?

[Mindstab_Thrull]

Mox Opal comfirmed.

Zero-cost artifact, with ability word Metalcraft.  It taps for one mana of any colour provided that you control three or more other artifacts.

However, it's legendary. So... it blows?

Just like Tolarian Academy? Being Legendary isn't exactly a drawback, especially in a format where you can make a deck that's heavily singletons anyways. It just means you don't have more than one in play at a time. Planeswalkers have effectively the same rule, and Jace the Mind Sculptor and Tezzeret the Seeker have both been known to be played in multiples. It's a sixth Mox in a deck that wants more mana artifacts. I think it'll see play just about everywhere.

PS - DubDub: Saying 'Restricted Sept 20, 2010' is just silly since the PRERELEASE will be about five days after the B/R announcement. For reference, Chrome Mox was in Mirrodin, which stores could sell as of Oct 2, 2003. It didn't get restricted until Jan 1, 2004 - the first B/R after the card was released. (Ponder - the only Extended-legal card restricted in Vintage - was released to us in Lorwyn October 12, 2007, and was restricted June 20, 2008, about 3 B/R's after its introduction.) IOW they still give a couple months before they pull the trigger, barring highly unusual circumstances. I don't think this is unusual enough to qualify.