Bruizar's All Seeing Eye looks at Scars of Mirrodin

[madmanmike25]

Galvanic Blast seems nice in a Kiln Fiend type deck in addition to Shrapnel Blast.

Hmm, I'm not so quick to dismiss this new Masticore.  4 dmg to the head seems pretty nice.  8 dmg a turn is a mighty fast clock.  Blocking a Lodestone/Jugg and paying 2 mana to regen isn't bad either.  I'll have to test him out before I can say he's useless.

BTW anyone realize that he is yet another answer to Trygon Predator???  You just regenerate if they kill him, then muster up 4 mana to kill the trygon.  Better than the original Masticore at least.
Kills at same speed as Razormane, but he can't regenerate.  I'm not saying that this is a better answer than Duplicant though, just another one.

[BruiZar]

I have found my new favorite card in Scars. I will have a lot of fun playing with this thing in my legacy Myr pile

It can:

Pump Vial, Planeswalkers, Engineered Explosives, Chalice of the Void, Powder Keg, Tangle Wire, Smokestack, Gemstone Mine, Arcbound Ravager, Arcbound Worker, Triskelion, (Magistrate's Scepter, oh yeah). And it can eat spare Mox Opals and up poison.

Granted, not many cards you´d wish to play a support card for but it is still a lot of fun.

[Delha]

@ Bruizar: Also cute with Dross Scorpion and Pentavus/Thopter Squadron. The counters on The Bus stay constant, but all your other stuff keeps ramping.  Fun!

[Troy_Costisick]

Alright, here has to be a blue artifact deck out there in Legacy or Vintage that abuses Proliferate.  That thing is nuts.  W/ Crucible, you could recycle Artifact Lands, like Darksteel Citadel for instance, to pump counters.  Nice card.

[nineisnoone]

Galvanic Blast seems nice in a Kiln Fiend type deck in addition to Shrapnel Blast.

Hmm, I'm not so quick to dismiss this new Masticore.  4 dmg to the head seems pretty nice.  8 dmg a turn is a mighty fast clock.  Blocking a Lodestone/Jugg and paying 2 mana to regen isn't bad either.  I'll have to test him out before I can say he's useless.

BTW anyone realize that he is yet another answer to Trygon Predator???  You just regenerate if they kill him, then muster up 4 mana to kill the trygon.  Better than the original Masticore at least.
Kills at same speed as Razormane, but he can't regenerate.  I'm not saying that this is a better answer than Duplicant though, just another one.

I'd say it's worse to be honest.  I'd rather kill Predator with 6 mana and no graveyard requirement, then 4 mana and a graveyard requirement.  Well, I guess it depends on what your deck looks like, but I see that flexibility would be better in general.

[BruiZar]

Mix between Tinker and Polymorph, perhaps powerful in some formats, not Vintage though.




The art and abilities are amazing on this one, but the mana cost is too high.

[Wagner]

Mix between Tinker and Polymorph, perhaps powerful in some formats, not Vintage though.

Agreed since Moxen make this unreliable, but for casual decks using Blinkmoth and Factory, this opens more possibilities. Hell, you can now run 1 big creature and 1 big artifact, 8 man-artifact lands ant 8 polymorphs, yay!

[BruiZar]

sweet!

[Troy_Costisick]

Meh.

[BruiZar]

@Troy. for vintage its very meh, for standard its a 4/4 flyer for 4 mana with a useful ability.



This one competes with Elspeth in standard.

[Guli]

I really like the effect of Sunblast Angel. Six mana seems too much...

[Delha]

I really like the effect of Sunblast Angel. Six mana seems too much...

Considering that Wrath effects are baseline , two extra colorless for a 4/5 flyer doesn't sound nearly so bad. Or for a conditional Wrath, plus for the bird. Either way, I don't see how you justify claiming this to be overcosted.

[BruiZar]

Force to attack gideon, drop sunblast. NeXT turn attack for 10 with gideon and Angel

[Troy_Costisick]

@Troy. for vintage its very meh, for standard its a 4/4 flyer for 4 mana with a useful ability.

Yeah, it's white's first 4/4 for 4 without a drawback.  Not bad, especially in Limited.

[Guli]

I really like the effect of Sunblast Angel. Six mana seems too much...

Considering that Wrath effects are baseline , two extra colorless for a 4/5 flyer doesn't sound nearly so bad. Or for a conditional Wrath, plus for the bird. Either way, I don't see how you justify claiming this to be overcosted.

Doesn't sound bad huh... You can't just devide the effects of a card and look if it is too expensive or not and then judge if it is overcosted or not. Their are more criteria to evaluate if a card is overcosted. For example the chances of getting 6 mana against a deck were the effect of wrath and a 4/5 flyer would actually matter is not great.


With that logic you can justify this too
 
Brokenoyf    

When Brokenoyf comes into play, draw three cards, add three to your mana pool, sacrifice an artifact and search in your library for an artifact card to put it into play, deal three damage to a creature or player, destroy target enchantment or artifact.

Brokenoyf's power is equal to the number of card types among cards in all graveyards and its toughness is equal to that number plus 1. (Artifact, creature, enchantment, instant, land, planeswalker, sorcery, and tribal are card types.)

*/1+*

[silvernail]

getting to 6 mana in a control deck in standard would be just fine with that angel. Making up terribly high costed cards just to try and discredit sunblast angel misses the point. Various other big creatures exist at the 6cc. This one is better than some and worse than others. It will be nice in the control mirror to get rid of their guys while advancing your position.

[Delha]

Doesn't sound bad huh... You can't just devide the effects of a card and look if it is too expensive or not and then judge if it is overcosted or not. Their are more criteria to evaluate if a card is overcosted. For example the chances of getting 6 mana against a deck were the effect of wrath and a 4/5 flyer would actually matter is not great.

Your greater point is right, but does not disprove mine. 6 mana to wrath and get a well sized flyer is a perfectly reasonable cost. The card is not at all viable for Vintage, but that's just because our barrier for entry is so high that cards typically have to be undercosted to make the cut.

With that logic you can justify this too
 
Brokenoyf   

Your argument is a failure for multiple reasons. First, if a card has a ridiculous effect, it should cost a ridiculous amount of mana. DSC is not overcosted, although it is unplayable (in the sense that people only cheat it onto the board). You card is unprintable because of it's interactions with cards like Oath, not because it's costed.

Second, your ignorant extrapolation of my logic if simply incorrect. I said that was fair for a Wrath (and for a conditional Wrath), and that adding a bit more for a bonus was fair. I never said to look at each piece in isolation.

Third, look at Rout, or Hallowed Burial. These are Wrath Plus, and cost a little bit more in return for it. Actions which can be fairly executed once are not necessarily still fair when executed ad infinitum. Practically anything taken to extremes will be come ridiculous. Your signature, for example.

[Guli]

The card is not at all viable for Vintage

Voila, rest you wrote is irrelevant

I am also no interested in some kind of flame war, or a totally useless debate. You know VERY well why I said that 'it seems too much mana'.  I didn't use the word 'overcosted'. Their is a difference. And you know the difference, AND you know that I know it, still you babble on and make arguments for something I don't care, and didn't even say in the first place. I also want to point this is a vintage section of the forum. If it is playable in standard, which I don't know, then that is that. I am wearing my T1 glasses when I comment on this board.

The you go on and bash my new card design, how dare you?

[BruiZar]

very vengevine

[Delha]

The card is not at all viable for Vintage

Voila, rest you wrote is irrelevant

I am also no interested in some kind of flame war, or a totally useless debate. You know VERY well why I said that 'it seems too much mana'.  I didn't use the word 'overcosted'. Their is a difference. And you know the difference, AND you know that I know it, still you babble on and make arguments for something I don't care, and didn't even say in the first place. I also want to point this is a vintage section of the forum. If it is playable in standard, which I don't know, then that is that. I am wearing my T1 glasses when I comment on this board.

You claim to be uninterested in a flamewar or useless debate, then go on to write a paragraph bashing me. At least have the common sense to not discredit your own statement within seconds of making it.

First, I clearly did NOT know what you meant. Generally if someone says that something costs too much mana, I take it to mean they are complaining something is overcosted. If I didn't think that was what you meant, I wouldn't have written that post at all.

Second, I'm not at all convinced that you honestly meant "Too much mana for Vintage". If you truly felt the card was balanced but just not viable in Vintage, you could have said as much, and ended the dispute on the spot. There would have been no point in arguing my rationale.

Third, while this is indeed the Vintage section of a Vintage forum, people very frequently fall into the trap of looking at cards exclusively through the lens of that format alone. Given the absolute logic failure of your post quoted above, you certainly come across as the sort of person who would fall into such a trap. Also, side commentary on the use of a card in other formats is pretty much a given in this sort of thread. Bruizar himself commented in the same post that the prior card was solid in Standard.

[serracollector]

With the new Arbiter Cat, and that angel, A white MUD variant in t1 with Thorn of Amethyst, and Glowrider, plus this angel is not a "bad" idea.

The angel protected your artifacts while making tezz/vault useless.  Also stops jace from bouncing, and trygon.

4 mana is not hard to come up with, even with double white.  We got darksteel ignot and now mox opal along side lotus, and mox pearl.

Just my thoughts.  I really wanna see a white MUD variant  arise, and I think it may just have wat it needs to do so after this set.

[silvernail]

tezz/vault is useless for you since you cant untap it, but it is not useless for your opponent.

[BruiZar]

Cool art, way too slow for anything in eternal.

[Troy_Costisick]

Yeah, everything about that card is cool except its abilities and casting cost.  Might have been better (in some format) if it cost instead.

[BruiZar]

Sacking ravager for this card to mill your opponent to death is the best application I can find for it, and I'd rather just swing with a 20/20 ravager than mill for 20..

[Klep]

Sacking ravager for this card to mill your opponent to death is the best application I can find for it, and I'd rather just swing with a 20/20 ravager than mill for 20..

This doesn't work for multiple reasons.  Grindclock isn't an artifact creature and Ravager has +1/+1 counters, not charge counters.

[BruiZar]

right, brainfart on my end.

[Guli]

Anyway, I kinda like the new 1 drop. It is like Kor Skyfisher in a way.



I don't have a strong feeling about it, but I do sense some potential. Obvious things that come immediacy to my mind are:
-You can sac it against dredge
-You can reset artifacts like chalice, explosives,...
-If you play with vial@1 you can do bounce tricks with Sensei Top,Canonist,Sculler
-If you draw a mox this thing enables a 2 drop at turn 1.

Shoot!

*edit* I also love the art

[Delha]

Is a vanilla 2/2 flyer good enough to make the cut in Vintage though?

[RecklessEmbermage]

Is a vanilla 2/2 flyer good enough to make the cut in Vintage though?

Only if it can be played consistently on turn one and has some kind of upside. I'm milling through alternatives, but can't find anything stronger than being free if you have a mox and chalice/explosives, like Guli said. Not sure if that is good enough.

Edit: Mana crypt, mana vault, sol ring, (grim monolith)

Edit2: White stax with the above accelerators, tangle wire, duplicant and precursor golem? Not sure if such a deck would want a 2/2 flier though.