Wurncoil Engine (Pre-release Promo)

[Troy_Costisick]

Heya,

This is supposedly spoiled on MTGSalvation:

Wurmcoil Engine  
Artifact creature-wurm
Deathtouch, Lifelink
When [cardname] go to graveyard from play, put a 3/3 artifact wurm token with deathtouch and a 3/3 artifact wurm token with lifelink into play.
6/6

That's a pretty mean creature.  It has synergy with Smokestack and survives duels with Jugs and Golem.

Peace,

-Troy

[The Atog Lord]

This sure seems fun with Goblin Welder.

[Leooooh]

Where did you see this??
Can you please post the link???

If this is true, we indeed have a mean creture (reaaaaaally mean), that will see play in welder based stax decks.

This edition will be wicked!!!

[zeus-online]

Funny little creature. I am still wondering why they put deathtouch on 6/6's?

Might be playable in some deck, although i'm not sure which.

[TopSecret]

I'm not sure this card competes well with the other options available at six mana, specifically Duplicant.

The main edge this card has is that it kills Inkwell Leviathan and is totally bonkers against aggro.
So I think if either those start becoming a factor, this might start seeing play.

Of course, for all I know it's pointless to discuss these kinds of hypotheticals right now
since with a funky card like this spoiled, the whole format could be defenestrated by whatever weird artifact themed stuff gets printed.

[DubDub]

Funny little creature. I am still wondering why they put deathtouch on 6/6's?

So that it trades with two 4/4's when double blocked?  Remember, Scars block is the 'Combat Matters' block, just like Zendikar block, and Shards block, and....

[zeus-online]

Funny little creature. I am still wondering why they put deathtouch on 6/6's?

So that it trades with two 4/4's when double blocked?  Remember, Scars block is the 'Combat Matters' block, just like Zendikar block, and Shards block, and....

I would still rate deathtouch on a 1/1 for 1 mana higher then deathtouch on some huge creature.

I think it's "Creatures matter" and not combat, those are not the same.

[Bibendum]

If this ends up being and not or I think this plays huge in welder decks. If it's or, it's not bad but it looses a bit of it's punch.

[BruiZar]

Forget Deathtouch, it's irrelevant.

It's a 6/6 beatstike for 6 mana. THAT is relevant. Su-Chi is 4/4 for  , Trike is 4/4 for  , Juggernaut and Lodestone Golem are 5/3 for  , Duplicant is x/x (or 2/4) for  , Platinum Angel is 4/4 for  , RMM is 5/5 for   with a huge drawback, Karn is 4/4 (or 0/8) for 5, Pentavus is 5/5 for  , Triskelavus is 4/4 for  .

This dude is undercosted. I will tell you where to place him:

1) This guy is a 6/6 for   mana, which is better costed than all the other artifacts except for juggernaut and lodestone golem.

2) This guy fits the same role as Pentavus and Triskelavus, at a lower casting cost (While being bigger)

3) This guy has lifelink. Mana Crypt and Ancient Tombs are offset by this thing. Lifelink IS relevant in Vintage.

4) This guy has protection from Ancient Grudge and Nature´s Claim.

5) This guy laughs in the face of Smokestack

6) The art is insane

Definately a playset to pick up if you ask me



This could become an expensive card, because it dodges Annihalator and has death touch to deal with (not indestructible) Eldrazi. It is also a mythic rare. It is a prerelease card, so I expect the original artwork to be more expensive.



I think that the two Tokens of this creature will be highly sought. At the prerelease, I'd try to pick up the Wormcoil tokens.

In Legacy this could also be played. It can be played in Enchantress, tapping Serra's Sanctum for lots of mana. it can be cheated into play in reanimator style decks. It can be used with Recurring Nightmare. If Glimmerpost is going to push Locus's, I can see this card becoming the shit in every format.

[Troy_Costisick]

The fact that it's the pre-release promo will mitigate its price increase.  It'll probably settle to 6-8 if it sees play in Standard and Extended.  3-5 if not.  Given the history of pre-release promos since Lorwin, it'll get played.

Also, the consensus seems to be that the GY effect is an "and" effect, not an "or" effect.  If true, this thing is a real beast.

Peace,

-Troy

[BruiZar]

I think you're way off on the price for this card Troy. This thing can go in any deck, unlike Figure of Destiny. I have a feeling that this dude will be between $10 and $20 easily, even as the prerelease card.

[Troy_Costisick]

I think you're way off on the price for this card Troy. This thing can go in any deck, unlike Figure of Destiny. I have a feeling that this dude will be between $10 and $20 easily, even as the prerelease card.

Maybe you're right.  But going off SCG prices of past Pre-release cards:

Ajani Vengeant: $4.99
Malfegor: $1.49
Dragon Broodmother: $2.99
Vampire Nocturnus: $7.99
Rampaging Baloths: $2.49
Comet Storm: $1.99
Emrakul, The Aeons Torn: $7.99
Sun Titan: $7.99

We all know SCG is at the high end, so these cards can be found for cheaper elsewhere.  Also, online set redemptions for M11 haven't started yet, so the price of Sun Titan will come down.  Since they invented Mythics and started giving them away as pre-release promos, only 3 have made it to $8 and two of them (Nocturnus and Titan) are very likely to come down in the near future.  Maybe you're right.  Maybe this thing will be the first $20 pre-release promo, but history is not on the side of that.  I'm skeptical.  None-the-less, it's a great card and getting a playset isn't a bad idea.  But I'm not going to pay SCG's outrageous pre-order price which already has the card at the upper end of the values I posted above.  It just doesn't seem wise.

Peace,

-Troy

[nineisnoone]

It's nice that you can Weld it, but that seems sort of excessive since it's already a 6/6.  But good to explore options.

I'm not sure this card competes well with the other options available at six mana, specifically Duplicant.

The main edge this card has is that it kills Inkwell Leviathan and is totally bonkers against aggro.
So I think if either those start becoming a factor, this might start seeing play.

Of course, for all I know it's pointless to discuss these kinds of hypotheticals right now
since with a funky card like this spoiled, the whole format could be defenestrated by whatever weird artifact themed stuff gets printed.

I don't think it competes with Duplicant though.  I see Duplicant as more of a narrow sideboard card, this is more of a maindeck card.  After Karn and Lodestone, I think this is the next creature you start looking to add to the mix. 

[zeus-online]

I don't think it will be worth all that much, just about every T2 deck will want a titan instead. And neither extended or legacy will touch this guy.

In vintage we have a bunch of cards with really powerfull interactions with artifacts, and that is the only reason he might see play.

Also to the guy claiming it was undercosted...Urh...These last 2 years just about every creature they print has been undercosted? Undercosted is also not equal to playable, although it certainly help.

[DubDub]

Also to the guy claiming it was undercosted...Urh...These last 2 years just about every creature they print has been undercosted? Undercosted is also not equal to playable, although it certainly help.

It is especially undercosted in Vintage, where it's a 6/6 with positive abilities for ~ 2.5.  Mishra's Workshop, the  mana lands and fast mana combine to form a manabase somewhat like having this (except much more flexible and synergistic):

Baneslayer Base
Land
 : Add  to your mana pool, use this mana only to cast cards named Baneslayer Angel.

[Troy_Costisick]

Here's a better scan of the Japanese version.  Collector's number seems a little high, though.

[zeus-online]

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[honestabe]

welcome back, goblin welder

also, in rotating formats, this guy's the new baneslayer

[BruiZar]

Also to the guy claiming it was undercosted...Urh...These last 2 years just about every creature they print has been undercosted? Undercosted is also not equal to playable, although it certainly help.

It is especially undercosted in Vintage, where it's a 6/6 with positive abilities for ~ 2.5.  Mishra's Workshop, the  mana lands and fast mana combine to form a manabase somewhat like having this (except much more flexible and synergistic):

Baneslayer Base
Land
 : Add  to your mana pool, use this mana only to cast cards named Baneslayer Angel.

Is it really? Most playable cards in vintage are undercosted and has pretty powerfull effects too. I don't think this guy is better then most of the other playable 6 mana artifacts.

Lets face it, it's just a beater. And for that purpose it's very expensive, even for an artifact.

I'd still rate it as "maybe playable"...But it's probably a niche card.

Its an efficient, huge beater with lifelink. The only strategies that do not lose against life gain is vault key or decking. Life gain is very much ignored in vintage.

[AmbivalentDuck]

Life gain is very much ignored in vintage.

It's more accurate to say that it's historically been underpowered.  Compare Healing Salve to Ancestral Recall.  Same set, same CMC, ridiculous difference in power level.

[Sextiger]

Before Jace, TMS and the mad artifact bounce/hate era were in now, Sphinx was the go-to Tinker bot for a while.  Funny enough, the sole time I remember lifegain being semi-important in Vintage was during the Gifts era before Warrens where people were running Hide/Seek to steal  DSC to put yourself out of tendrils range. 

[voltron00x]

This card shouldn't top $10, based on past history, even with "hot" standard cards like Ajani Vengeant and Figure of Destiny.

I think this is a pretty huge printing with a lot of implications for Workshop vs Workshop games.  It is obviously nuts with Welder and with Smokestack, and also beats up Lodestone, takes down Goyf with value, etc.

Plus the art... wow.

[TheShop]

This guy looks like a very good creature that I would not run....I would rather run steel hellkite in the same slot....being a 6/6 isn't special in vintage, and neither is deathtouch or lifelink....welder is the only way to abuse this guy and j would much rather weld duplicant or a trike....or a wire.....or sundering Titan

[AmbivalentDuck]

And wanting to run Hellkite over Wurmcoil, we've yet to see most of this set.  I'd be disappointed if it doesn't produce an even dumber Tinker target than either of these two.

You know, like, artifact Emrakul with haste.

[TheShop]

I wanna know what get printed in those crucial 3-5 mana artifact slots. 

[BruiZar]

Alteady practically obsolete by hellkite

[Troy_Costisick]

Alteady practically obsolete by hellkite

I think they're both pretty good, but in standard Helkite probably does win since it's a sweeper as well.  I never thought I'd live to see so many six drops competing for deck space.

[Cyberpunker]

if only this thing had vigilance!

[nineisnoone]

Alteady practically obsolete by hellkite

Yep.  I'm actually thinking Hellkite might even be the best Tinker target. 

[Killane]

Alteady practically obsolete by hellkite

Yep.  I'm actually thinking Hellkite might even be the best Tinker target. 

It's too small and easy to kill.