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« on: January 23, 2011, 07:12:10 pm » |
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The third iteration of the Grudge Match is coming to New York on January 23th of 2011.
When:
Saturday, January 23th, 2011.
Quarter 1 begins at 6:30 pm.
Who:
The main roster for Team New York:
Mark Sanchez
LaDainian Tomlinson
Shonn Greene
The main roster for Team Pennsylvania:
Ben Roethlisberger
Rashard Mendenhall
Hines Ward
The main Roster for Team New England:
(It doesn't matter...Team New York dispatched them even before this week started.)
I know the game already started, but let the "during the game" trashtalking commence.
As for me:
"J-E-T-S-JETS-JETS-JETS!!!"
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« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2011, 08:21:52 pm » |
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Hah! Team NE lost to the NY noobs' ancestral double force opener last round. Unfortunately for them they are being exposed this week. Oh and the HC of the NYJ looks like an older, slobbier Chris Leather.
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« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2011, 09:55:11 pm » |
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Between the Eagles clobbering the Giants at the new Meadowlands, tonight's domination of the Steelers over the Jets, and the upcoming face punch that the Phillies are going to hand to the Mets all year makes for sad times in New York.
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« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2011, 10:18:50 pm » |
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Apparently Team PA wins at everything.
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« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2011, 10:42:17 pm » |
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Apparently Team PA wins at everything.
Don't worry. The Phillies will crash and burn when it counts. You don't hit 10,000+ losses accidentally. |
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« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2011, 01:38:30 pm » |
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Oh and the HC of the NYJ looks like an older, slobbier Chris Leather.
I lol'ed. Also, as much as I wanted to see two #6 seeds play it out in the big game, I think the Superbowl should be a good one with the Packers vs. the Steelers. |
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« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2011, 02:18:45 pm » |
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Apparently Team PA wins at everything.
Don't worry. The Phillies will crash and burn when it counts. You don't hit 10,000+ losses accidentally. lol, the Phillies have the greatest pitching rotation in baseball history right now. the yankees look like a farm team by comparison. |
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« Reply #7 on: January 25, 2011, 05:07:49 pm » |
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Apparently Team PA wins at everything.
Don't worry. The Phillies will crash and burn when it counts. You don't hit 10,000+ losses accidentally. lol, the Phillies have the greatest pitching rotation in baseball history right now. the yankees look like a farm team by comparison. Spoken like a true Tigers fan. You guys have had some real world beaters out there in Detroit these past few years. Their rotation is very good. Their offense is about to fall off a cliff. They lost 5 WAR alone when Mr. Werth went to Washington. Howard's number dipped last year, Utley was injured and is getting old. Rollins sucks. They got a career year out of Carlos Ruiz, their 31 year old catcher. Let's see how he looks when he's 32. Sure, it's a great rotation. Just wait till they try to score some runs. We'll see how my 'farm team' does in comparison. I've seen 5 World Series Championships. What have you seen? |
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« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2011, 02:40:55 am » |
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lol, the Phillies have the greatest pitching rotation in baseball history right now. the yankees look like a farm team by comparison.
Baseball history? Cmon man, mid ninties braves. Smoltz Maddox Glavine and Neagle in there primes. Thats less then two deckades ago, I can go back farther and put out a few more but I think you get the point. So Kanye before you go ranting about the greatest of all time, I think you should take a bit more of an unbiased look at it. Maybe make a chart or two to help you out. |
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« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2011, 11:55:16 am » |
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lol, the Phillies have the greatest pitching rotation in baseball history right now. the yankees look like a farm team by comparison.
Baseball history? Cmon man, mid ninties braves. Smoltz Maddox Glavine and Neagle in there primes. Thats less then two deckades ago, I can go back farther and put out a few more but I think you get the point. So Kanye before you go ranting about the greatest of all time, I think you should take a bit more of an unbiased look at it. Maybe make a chart or two to help you out. Yes, I would put their rotation up against the 90s Braves as contention for the greatest of all time. |
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« Reply #10 on: January 28, 2011, 12:23:25 pm » |
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I just dont see how you can look at there #3 and tell me Oswalt is better then Smoltz or Glavine. Maddox and Doc can be a wash. Lee and Glavine could be a wash but Oswalt is not John Smoltz and Cole Hamels needs to do better then 13-12.
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« Reply #11 on: January 28, 2011, 12:41:12 pm » |
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Apparently Team PA wins at everything.
Don't worry. The Phillies will crash and burn when it counts. You don't hit 10,000+ losses accidentally. I really hate this stat that gets brought up all the time. It's like saying "Yea, Cy Young will crash and burn when it counts! You don't hold the record for most pitching losses in a career by accident (316)!!!" Oh, but that's before the live ball era... Now it's like saying "Yea, Nolan Ryan will crash and burn when it counts! You don't hold the (live ball era) record for most pitching losses by accident! (292). They are both great teams currently and it should be an epic season. -Nick P.S. See my sig regarding statistics. P.P.S The Phillies started 20 years earlier, they've played more games then most. |
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« Reply #12 on: January 28, 2011, 01:21:51 pm » |
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I just dont see how you can look at there #3 and tell me Oswalt is better then Smoltz or Glavine. Maddox and Doc can be a wash. Lee and Glavine could be a wash but Oswalt is not John Smoltz and Cole Hamels needs to do better then 13-12.
He actually pitched masterfully last season, but received abysmal run support. Surely you know that win-loss record alone is not a great measure of a pitcher's performance. |
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« Reply #13 on: January 28, 2011, 01:57:42 pm » |
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I just dont see how you can look at there #3 and tell me Oswalt is better then Smoltz or Glavine. Maddox and Doc can be a wash. Lee and Glavine could be a wash but Oswalt is not John Smoltz and Cole Hamels needs to do better then 13-12.
He actually pitched masterfully last season, but received abysmal run support. Surely you know that win-loss record alone is not a great measure of a pitcher's performance. Just to piggie back off Matt here Felix Hernandez Win-Loss was 13-12 ironically enough and he WON the Cy Young. |
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« Reply #14 on: January 28, 2011, 02:20:32 pm » |
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I am a Seattle fan, I understand that W/L do not mean everything. Matt, Your right about Hamels numbers after looking a bit deeper into last year, I just checked his career stuff and none of that was very impressive. As I said before, the definitive "Greatest rotation in history" comment is more of what I am talking about here are some numbers:
W L ERA IP K K/9 HR WHIP CG
1 John Smoltz 15 12 3.02 256.0 241 8.5 21 1.16 7
2 Tom Glavine* 14 7 2.96 240.0 152 5.7 20 1.15 5
3 Denny Neagle 20 5 2.97 233.1 172 6.6 18 1.08 4
4 Greg Maddux 19 4 2.20 232.2 177 6.8 9 .94 5
1 Roy Halladay 21 10 2.44 250.2 219 7.8 24 1.04 9
2 Cliff Lee 12 9 3.18 212.1 185 7.8 16 1.00 7
3. Roy Oswalt 13 13 2.76 211 193 8.2 19 1.30 2
4. Cole Hamels 13 12 3.06 208 211 9.1 26 1.18 1
As I said earlier, one of the best rotations In recent memory but please before we crown them the begin all and end all lets look at actual numbers. Worse ERA, W/L, less innings pitched, more likely to give up the longball and Less complete games. Ill give credit where credit is due, they have an amazing margin when its comes to K's and K/9 and a better team WHIP. Braves got 4.88 runs per game and the Phillies had 4.77, so i dont think one can claim wins to the Braves pitchers came on the backs of amazing hitting either. To be perfectly truthful i think its closer then even I expected but still the Braves have to be the choice in that argument right now. Who knows the Phillies can go 120-42 and prove that the rotation is far and away better then anything we ever expected but as the numbers go ill take the Braves.
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« Reply #15 on: January 28, 2011, 02:54:53 pm » |
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Wow those numbers are remarkably close.
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« Reply #16 on: January 28, 2011, 02:57:00 pm » |
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I mean, looking at last years W/L for those guys is just silly. Oswalt came to the Phillies at 6-12 and went 7-1 once on the team. Cliff Lee didn't even pitch for the Phillies last year! At least use career numbers so that its a fair comparison.
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« Reply #17 on: January 28, 2011, 02:58:01 pm » |
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To be fair here... Cole's career #s do not hold a candle to the other guys in this conversation. Keep in mind that he is exceptionally young. The other guys have the benefit, really, of a full career's body of work, while Cole should be a good-to-great pitcher for another 8+ years.
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« Reply #18 on: January 28, 2011, 05:06:22 pm » |
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I didn't want to use career numbers for the opposite of hamels, none if the Philly's guys have gone through the twilight years yet. As for the year I don't have a year to biase the phillies off. All I could do is take a year by year comparison. Like I said I don't hate the phillies and I'm not a Yankees fan. I just don't like crowning groups before anything has happened.
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« Reply #19 on: January 28, 2011, 05:39:15 pm » |
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I'm pretty sure the '93 Braves rotation was Maddux, Smoltz, Glavine, and Steve Avery, not Denny Neagle. There's three future Hall of Famers in that rotation for sure.
And what team beat them in the playoffs that year? The Phillies rotation of Curt Schilling, Terry Mulholland, Tommy Greene, and Danny Jackson. Definitely only one Hall of Famer in that rotation.
That Braves team won 104 games that year. I think the Phillies will win at least that many this year. I admit the Phillies offense needs some help, so a lot of those wins will be of the 3-2 and 4-3 variety. For the Phillies to win it all this year they will need to pick up another bat or two. The failure of the '93 Braves should illustrate that.
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« Reply #20 on: January 28, 2011, 05:46:41 pm » |
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Mine was the 97 braves in that post
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« Reply #21 on: January 28, 2011, 06:43:03 pm » |
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I didn't see a specific year mentioned anywhere in your posts so I assumed '93, as that year's Braves rotation is most often cited as the best of their run during the 90's and 00's. It was the one the Phillies rotation was most often compared to during MLB Network's coverage of the Phillies signing Cliff Lee.
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« Reply #22 on: January 28, 2011, 06:55:00 pm » |
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Ah funny enough when I looked up some stuff this kept coming up as there tops. I think as long as the big 3 are there all the years of those braves teams are pretty well off
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