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« on: January 26, 2011, 05:22:30 am »

So, Sunday morning, 8 o’ clock… and I’m out of bed already! “What’s going on?” Well tournament time of course!

There’s a tournament in Breda, The Netherlands, and it’s always good to be there. Regular tournaments, good atmosphere, good players, good support and not too far away to drive. We, the Hasselt posse, are regulars at Breda and at least one of us usually makes top 8.

I’ve been performing pretty well lately, getting several top 8s or at least getting close… like 9th place. It had gotten to the point that I said to myself: “It would be nice to finally WIN one!”
Since I don’t have the time to regularly play Magic anymore, I’ve been going to these events quite relaxed. Even though for some reason the first round is always a little bit nerve wrecking, the goal has always been to at least make top 8 and learn as much as possible. I’ve never had the confidence –or audacity- to go for the win.
So, I did learn a lot and continued to regularly make top 8 but I never won a tournament of Magic the Gathering in my life.

This time though, I changed my mindset a little bit; I would be happy playing and learning and trying to make top 8 but if I would get there, I wanted to win! Not to be content with ‘just’ making top 8 but actually try to win. Sometimes you just have to go for it:”Yes I can!”

But first, I needed a deck. And that’s not an easy thing when you cannot test as much as you’d want/need to. So I’m relegated to scouring tournament reports for decks that look and feel good.
I tried all forms of Jace Control lists but my results against Workshop decks never gave me enough confidence to play such a list in a tournament. I always felt that there was more to get out of the deck then I was able to, or that I didn’t understand it well enough to make top 8, let alone win the tournament.
I tried building a Painter deck but couldn’t get it to work properly.
I made top 8 with Elephant Oath a while ago but I was not sure I could still handle the deck well enough and I didn’t want to put the deck to shame because of lack of play skill. Last time I played the deck in Breda I had tested the deck and was somewhat prepared. Not so now…
I’ve been trying to break Intuition into something good but I lack the time –and maybe skill- to really get it to work. But I still think it should be possible.
I tried Spanish Gush lists a few times but I don’t like playing with Gush anymore. It’s not the same when your list lacks 3 blue Demonic tutors all of a sudden… Not that the lists aren’t good anymore but it’s a different ball game now and I’m not used to it.
Then I came across Brian Demars’ Control list! It had Ancient Grudge and one of the things I liked about Oath lists: multicolor lands. Even though they hurt… a lot. I like the deck, it feels really powerful -as one of my opponents would showcase during this tournament- but I just am not good enough with the list… yet!
But hey, I made top 8 with Meandeck MUD a while ago… MUD’s not bad… No game deciding, opening myriad ways of messing up tutoring… Play clever, play strong and you’ll get there…

… and then I saw Sam Berse’s Grudge Match 2 decklist. What a beast of beauty!

Main deck

4 Lodestone Golem
4 Sphere of Resistance
4 Thorn of Amethyst
4 Metalworker
4 Tangle Wire
4 Chalice of the Void
3 Steel Hellkite
1 Trinisphere
1 Memory Jar
1 Crucible of Worlds
2 Duplicant
2 Karn, Silver Golem
1 Black Lotus
1 Sol Ring
1 Mana Crypt
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Pearl
4 Mishra’s Workshop
4 Ancient Tomb
2 Mishra’s Factory
2 Rishadan Port
1 Tolarian Academy
1 Strip Mine
4 Wasteland

Sideboard
 
1 Crucible of Worlds
2 Duplicant
1 Karn, Silver Golem
2 Wurmcoil Engine
4 Relic of Progenitus
3 The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
2 Eon Hub

I liked the list instantly and even more so when I noticed that Sam made top 8 again at the very next event he played in!

So, here we go!

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# TOURNAMENT REPORT #
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Round 1: Maarten with Aggro MUD

Game 1: I win the die roll and play first turn Hellkite. He matches it with a first turn Hellkite of his own and then ‘Sculpts his Steel’ into another Hellkite. I run my Hellkite into his and Duplicant his Sculpting Steel for the win. Duplicant was amazing for me all day!

Game 2: He may go first but it’s Hellkite again for me with a Duplicant for his Sculpting Steel on my Hellkite. Game over!

Wow, these were the fastest games I’ve ever played in a tournament I think. Especially for the first round. We have so much time left that we decide to play one for fun, which he wins.

Round 2: Iso Been with GB Fish

I’ve played Iso before and know I better concentrate!

Game 1: He has to mulligan twice and I play a Chalice of the Void for two very soon in the game. A beater comes down and he scoops. I didn’t even get a good look at his deck…

Game 2: Much of the same. He Swords to Plowshares my early Hellkite but at some point I resolve Chalice of the Void on 2 and that’s the game again!

Chalice of the Void was unbelievably good all day and I always put it on the correct number, except for once… but that’ll come much later.

Round 3: Roel Jans with Brian Demars’ Jace Control

Usually Roel is the judge at these events but as Bram Snepvangers -recently inducted into the Hall of Fame- was judging this time, Roel got a chance to play himself. And I know he and his team mates are good players, top 8 familiars!

Unfortunately, I don’t remember much of our games… except that Roel easily won. One of both games I kept a hand that I maybe should have mulliganed. I made good mulligan decisions all day, just not here.

I tested this matchup from both perspectives myself and it looked like a 50-50 thing but this certainly did not reflect in our games. I was never really in it. Now, I have to acknowledge that Roel just is a better player than I am. It sometimes felt like we were in different leagues… You can sense when certain players really ‘feel’ and understand the fundamentals of Magic and I’m sure he plays a lot more then I do. But even they can make mistakes… read on!

2-1-0

Round 4: Benjamin van den Broeck with UBR Painter

Here we go! One of my team mates, we playtest once a week. There will be no quarter given as we both are very eager to win this one. He’s good, so I’ll have to really play. I’m actually pretty relaxed and focused; while he’s trash talking me, I’m preparing myself for the showdown.

Game 1: Benjamin starts with a mulligan and I keep a decent 7. He makes a mistake by opening with his Library of Alexandria, which I waste and follow up with a Sphere. It’s practically over from here…
There were some small mistakes on both sides with tapping the wrong mana at the wrong time but those were not deciding factors. As a general advice: always think about tapping lands, never take anything for granted, it WILL be important!

Trash talking is over now, as we’re both completely focused on the game!

Game 2: This is a more of a fight! I cannot completely lock him out of the game but I can put enough pressure on his manabase so that he cannot make any dangerous plays. All the while I’m taking damage from my Mana Crypt; my life total goes:

20
17
14
11
8
5
2

… and then it’s the final turn! It all comes down to this: I have a lethal attacker but I need to win the die roll to survive my Mana Crypt…

Suspense…

Roll…

It ends up in my favor and Benji’s dead!

Mana Crypt: I’m never totally confidant with this card. It’s a tremendous boost and most of the times it won’t pose too much of a problem but every now and then… I’m always considering boarding it out in matchups that take longer but most of the times I don’t because the speed boost can be game breaking.

3-1-0

Round 5: Twan Koperberg with Dredge

Twan was sitting next to me during the first round and I remember thinking:”Whew! I dodged the first round Dredge player!” So of course, I have to face him now!

Game 1: He gets to go first and he kills me with a horde of Zombie tokens. My mulligan didn’t help change any of it.

Game 2: I love the sideboard plan against Dredge! And it proves to work as I have The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale and a Relic of Progenitus in my opening 7. My opponent had to mulligan three times before he gets the Bazaar of Baghdad he needs. Twan is a good player though and he won’t give up; I have to stay focused and deal the full 20 damage with a Wurmcoil Engine.

Game 3: My opening 7 is not as spectacular this time but I have a Wasteland and a Relic of Progenitus and Twan has mulliganed to 5. I remove the first ‘wave to the grave’ from the game and Waste his Bazaar but he has another! He also proceeds to dredge the best combination of cards imaginable and I’m in dire straits – but not beaten yet! Time is called though and the draw is unavoidable.
I think the game ended with a Golem on my side to block his couple of zombies and Narcomoeba’s, and a Wasteland for his second Bazaar. I’m not entirely sure about the board state but I remember thinking at the time that I stabilized and that I might have pulled it off… but it’s always dangerous to predict outcomes like that. Anyway, it’s a draw.

3-1-1

Well, at least I don’t have to consider my options now:  I have to win my final round to make top 8!

Round 6: Arjan Bos with Watskeburt

This is cool! Arjan and I have faced each other before. We were both Gushing to Grow-a-Tog then and I was able to ‘make mine bigger than his’… Rematch! But with different decks…

Game 1: He gets to go first. This game takes very long and he’s building a whole giant archipelago with all those basic Islands on his side of the board! I don’t like basic lands… but he’s not doing any threatening with them, which is fine by me. I’m not building much; I have some Spheres hindering him but not much of a beater. The longer this takes, the better for him and I’m starting to get worried.
I’m not even sure how he’s going to beat me. I’ve seen him Brain Freeze somebody out of a Library in a previous round, so I know it’s all about storm but until now, I haven’t seen any enablers. And then he lands a Vedalken Archmage and it all comes together, especially looking at those 2 Sensei’s Divining Tops on his side. But, he has made a mistake; he tapped one of the tops to my Tangle Wire(s)! He cannot go off this turn and I can get enough pressure on the board the following turn to take it down over the next couple of turns. Phew, close call!

Arjan made several mistakes during the game, which gave me enough of an edge to win. For example, one turn he could have drawn all mane from his Islands in response to my Tangle Wire trigger, float the mana, resolve my Tangle Wire trigger and then cast Frantic Search. This would have left him with better cards in hand and enough mana during his turn to do something broken. He also made several tapping errors to my Tangle Wire triggers in my opinion. He was not at his best: too much alcohol the night before he told me! Seems to happen to Magic players from time to time…

Game 2: This one isn’t nearly as exciting, as I know his game plan now. He doesn’t make mistakes this time but neither do I and I get enough pressure on the board to quickly bring his life total to 0.

Vedalken Archmage… cool! Expensive -manawise- but cool.

4-1-1 and top 8! Yay!

Quarterfinals: Richard with Jace Control

Another regular and a guy I’ve faced a few times before. Best time I can remember was beating him with TMWA (The Mountains Win Again) in the quarterfinals of a tournament a long time ago… with him playing TPS!
I must have forgotten the games he beat me…

A lot of pleasant chatting and we’re off!

Game 1: This game takes forever! I go first and after a few turns I’m beating him to a bloody pulp… with a Metalworker… That really isn’t fast enough! It literally takes 11 turns and I’m drawing nothing! Well, I draw Tangle Wires which prevent him from playing anything threatening but then he lands a Trygon Predator and it all falls apart.
I never had that happening to me with my deck before but I may have misplayed my threats in the early turns, I don’t really remember. I think I played a Lodestone Golem before the Metalworker and the Golem got countered. I should have led with the Metalworker. If it happened like that, then that was stupid…

Game 2: This was easily the coolest game of my tournament! I have an insane opener with Mishra’s Workshop, Trinisphere, Lodestone Golem, Mox Ruby, Mox Emerald, a Wasteland and a Duplicant… and he has to mulligan twice! So out comes the Trinisphere, which gets Force of Willed but that means he’s down to three cards now and I still have some possibly devastating plays next turn! So naturally he goes: Black Lotus (crack for 3 blue), Ancestral Recall into Force of Will (as I would find out later), Mox Emerald AND Trygon Predator! Wanna play Vintage? Better expect some very INSANE PLAYS! I’m in trouble…
The Trygon Predator starts to eat my board. At one point I’m left with Mishra’s Workshop, Mox Emerald = 4 mana and I need six for my trustworthy Duplicants! Luckily, I draw an Ancient Tomb soon and try to Duplicant his Predator but he has also drawn a blue card for the Force of Will! I’m in even more trouble…
I need to keep playing to my outs, I need him to not destroy my Mox Emerald so if I would draw another Duplicant –I sided in all copies- I would be able to cast it. So I keep casting Golems and Spheres to keep him from eating my precious Mox Emerald and sure enough, I topdeck the Duplicant after two turns or so and finally remove his Trygon Predator.  A few turns later, a Lodestone Golem turns up and helps to finish the game. Close call!

Game 3: Third game is all about how your live got flipped turned upside down, when a couple of Golems were up to no good, started makin' trouble in your neighborhood!

Semifinals: Matthijs Van Wageningen with UR Landstill

Game 1: I’m not entirely sure what I’m up against, I’ve seen him before but have never played against him. Since all my later rounds took so long to finish, I couldn’t scout around. He obviously knows what he’s doing as he’s in the semifinals. Also, I’m exhausted at this point but I really want to win today, so I stay focused! He tells me he’s more of a Standard player. That is a clear warning because some of the best Vintage players I know, are also very good Standard players. People underestimate what Standard -or Limited for that matter- can teach you. All the small plays, the tiny advantages that eventually lead to a win. Not as much broken as Vintage but the best learning school to become a great Magic player in my opinion. And it will show because he ponders his moves and makes almost no mistakes - to my knowledge.

He gets to go first and at some point I see a Spellstutter Sprite, followed by a Mutavault, a Grim Lavamancer and a Standstill. Now I know what I’m up against… but it’s too late. It’s a great deck that rewards tight play and he plays tight!

Game 2: This one is brutal as I have Golems, Spheres, Wastelands that I hide in my hand for his manlands and a Chalice of the Void on 1. I’m still in it!

Game 3: This one is a true thriller! I keep a hand with a Wurmcoil Engine, two Ancient Tombs –as I know ‘real mana’ is very important in this matchup- a Sphere of Resistance, a Mana Crypt, a Thorn of the Amethyst and a Rishadan Port if I recall correctly. I know it’s key to resolve my Wurmcoil Engine so I play to make this happen, all the while playing around Daze and a Gorilla Shaman, but he’s put down 2 Energy Fluxes before I get to attack with my Wurmcoil Engine! I tell myself to stay focused and not forget to pay the upkeep costs for my angry Engine. My life total goes like this:

20
18 (Ancient Tomb to cast the Thorn of Amethyst)
16 (Ancient Tomb to Port his land)
15 (Gorilla Shaman)
14 (Gorilla Shaman)
13 (Gorilla Shaman)
7 (casting of my Wurmcoil Engine and a hit from his Grim Lavamancer)
5 (upkeep on my Engine)
11 (swing with the Wurmcoil Engine, he takes the damage: 13 life left)
10 (Gorilla Shaman)
6 (double upkeep cost on my Engine)
12 (‘swing my Engine’, he’s at 7, I play a Mishra’s Factory and I start looking for a second land or Mox for some Wasteland ensurance!)
11 (Gorilla Shaman)
7 (double upkeep)
13 (swing my Engine again, he’s at 1 life now!!)
9 (double upkeep but he’ll need his man to block mine from now on, please don’t draw a Wasteland!! He blocks with the Gorilla Shaman en shoots it with the Lavamancer to deny me the life gain)
5 (double upkeep, he blocks with the Lavamancer, which shoots itself before damage goes on the stack, so I wouldn’t gain life again)

Then he draws a Wasteland and I know that my Wurmcoil Engine won’t live to tell the tale. Worse, my two tokens will have summoning sickness the turn their big momma dies. So I’m still peeling away for a land or a Mox to animate my Mishra’s factory!

3: A few turns later I draw an Ancient Tomb so I can finally animate my Mishra’s Factory! I have to drop to three though, right into Lightning Bolt range! But the turn before I draw the Tomb, he had signaled that he didn’t have the Bolt through the use of his mana. Or he tricked me into believing that…
No Bolt but he finds an answer, at least for a turn: Gorilla Shaman! I send in my Mishra’s Factory and he tries to ‘eat it’ but that’s a no-go! So chump blocking it is for the Shaman.

Please don’t draw a Wasteland, a Lightning Bolt or… it’s a chump blocking Gorilla Shaman again!

1: I animate my Mishra’s Factory he tries to ‘eat’ it again! Nono, you can’t do that! So the Shaman dies. But I cannot use my Ancient Tomb anymore…

Please don’t draw… anything!?

He doesn’t and I draw a Mox for the animate, attack and win! So intense!
We both kept our focus, played to our best and it all came down to the ultimate draw. This was Magic at its best!

Finals: Roel Jans with Jace Control Brian Demars style

My only loss from the day! With the deck I was going to play if I didn’t play this amazing MUD list. Revenge!

But first, he asks if I want to split prizes. I agree on one condition: that we play the finals to decide the tournament winner! I’m always annoyed when the finalists don’t play it out for whatever reason and I’ve voiced this opinion many times. So, even though I’m totally exhausted, I put my money where my mouth is and ask him if it’s ok if we play. Besides, I want to WIN this one, really WIN this one!

He agrees; he has beaten me before during rounds, he’s the better player -he is- and he’s convinced that he has the better matchup. So he’ll be able to dispatch me this time as well, won’t he?

Game 1: I get to go first but oh man does this game take long. I misplay the order of my threats ones more and so I have a Metalworker beating down instead of a Lodestone Golem, again! It was a calculated risk though; he had the Force of Will for my first turn Sphere but no counter for my Thorn of Amethyst, so I try to go for the Golem on my second turn but there’s another Force of Will together with a blue card lurking in his hand!
I play some more Spheres and a Chalice of the Void on 0, which was my first wrong number for the Chalice all day! He had flashed a Mox he couldn’t cast through my Spheres and Tangle Wires earlier, and I wanted to keep him off as much mana as possible. But it could have been any number as I had more than enough mana and it should have been 1. I knew it as soon as I played it on 0! The crowd agreed…
Sure thing, a Sensei’s Divining Top and a Welder come down and my freshly pealed Steel Hellkite doesn’t impress as much.
As soon as I attack, Roel makes a strange play by Welding the Hellkite for another one in my graveyard that had met an Ancient Grudge before, reasoning that this fresh Hellkite wasn’t going to do much anyway…
I don’t mind! I have a new Hellkite next turn, so he’ll have to use the Welder on the beast again next turn as he’s at 1 life! I need one more attacker!
This game just won’t end as that Welder controls my board and Mindslavering me in between doesn’t help me either. Duplicant to the rescue again and I finally take the first game.

This game took forever! It was insane to see how Roel managed to keep me from killing him as long as he did, all the time on 1 life.

Game 2: Roel demonstrates that he knows how to play Magic; he takes all the turns he wants while I’m still at 20 and I haven’t done a single point of damage to him! And it wasn’t anything straightforward: Force of Will my threat, Tutor, search, Jace, draw, Time Walk, … I haven’t done a single point of damage but he’s at 2 life all of a sudden! But as long as you win, it doesn’t matter ‘how low you had to go’.
We talked during shuffling that the control deck can really put the hurts on the controllers life total and this was clearly demonstrated here.

Game 3: Final game to decide it all! I’m close to physical death from exhaustion right now but my mind is still focused. I really want to WIN this!
We both mulligan and I draw Mishra’s Workshop, Mox Ruby, Lodestone Golem, Thorn of Amethyst, Mishra’s Factory and Trinisphere! The Trinisphere meets a Force of Will but the Thorn of Amethyst and the Lodestone Golem come down. The Golem dies to a Doom Blade –I like that card a lot, just not now!-but I have another one to continue the beats.
He’s playing a lot of lands and has Vampiric Tutored something undoubtedly evil and I realize by his calm and focused composure that he’s brewing something that’s about to take the game away from me: Time Vault + Voltaic Key. The only way I can stop it, is to bottleneck his mana, as I cannot kill him before he’ll be able to put the combo pieces together.
So when I have the choice of attacking with my Mishra’s Factory and my Lodestone Golem or attack only with the Golem and cast a Sphere of Resistance, I make the right call and cast the Sphere. He’s got one more turn and some extra expensive spells to pull it off!
He needs to peal a Black Lotus now to have enough mana to play his combo pieces AND activate the Voltaic Key, winning on the spot. He doesn’t and I get to attack for my first tournament win!

In hindsight, apparently he could have played it differently. He also had a Mystical Tutor in hand and he could have used it to buy an extra turn with Time Walk, play an extra land, thus having enough mana in the extra turn to take all my turns. I’m too tired and too happy with my win to calculate if this scenario would indeed have worked through all my sphere effects and my Golem. It probably would have but he didn’t play it that way and I’m happy for it.

As for my deck

It was simply amazing! Just remember to always consider your opening hand carefully, play lock pieces first and play to your outs. I always kept my Tangle Wires untapped if possible –over for example ‘unnecessary’ lands or Spheres- so a top deck Karn, Silver Golem would do as much damage as possible the turn it came down. You have to count your mana wisely when doing this but it mattered in at least one of my games. It‘s also something to try against ‘the better players’: threaten Karn.

Top performers: Chalice of the Void, Duplicant and… Mishra’s Workshop!
Questionable: Mana Crypt, even though I realize it’s insanely fast mana, just be careful in timing when to play it.
As for the sideboard, I didn’t really get why the extra Karn was there and it’s probably a good idea to bring the Eon Hubs in against decks that bring in Energy Fluxes! But you can beat Energy Flux, even two, as I showed in my semifinal match. I saw a friend of mine do the same thing during rounds, he won with a topdeck Mishra’s Factory against a control player! The Factories are very good and a very clever addition to the deck.

As for me

I played pretty well this tournament, even if I say so myself. I definitely made mistakes but not as many as I have before. Making mistakes is part of playing Magic the Gathering and the one who makes less, has a better shot at winning. So, if you make mistakes, notice them, acknowledge them and learn how to avoid them, even during testing! That’s been my attitude for a long time now and it’s great to see that it paid off -even though I realize this wasn’t the largest tournament of all time. Nevertheless, it was my first win ever and it just feels good.

So I’ve done it; I’ve finally won a tournament! After all that time playing magic and several top 8’s, I finally finished first! What a great feeling! Everybody –well, everybody that stayed that long- congratulates Roel and me and we rush home as the hour is late.
I drive home, a little bit ‘dazed’ from concentrating and contemplating so many insane plays all day long.

And as I finally get home, after a one hour and a half long drive, I still have that tired, happy grin on my face: Smile

Thanks for reading!

Robrecht

P.S. If I got your name wrong, or if you remember things happening in a different way, let me know and I'll edit this report as fast as possible!
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« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2011, 05:59:37 am »

@Robrecht,
Congrats on the Win!! Good to see you take one down finally. Awesome Tournament report as well, nicely written up and I felt the suspense at times. It's a shame I didn't get to witness you tear it up.
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« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2011, 06:22:11 am »

Nice report indeed, very detailed.

So, my props go out to you and to Mathijs, who (after 5-0-ed in the swiss after 5 round) maiking top 4 in the process on his third vintage tournament! (his first 2 being about a year or 4 ago)

More to be expected soon. Wink
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« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2011, 06:26:28 am »

Nice report indeed, very detailed.

So, my props go out to you and to Mathijs, who (after 5-0-ed in the swiss after 5 round) maiking top 4 in the process on his third vintage tournament! (his first 2 being about a year or 4 ago)

More to be expected soon. Wink

Thanks! Indeed, Mathijs clearly knows what he's doing. It would be great if he would play more Vintage!

How was your tournament? We didn't talk but I've seen you there...

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« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2011, 07:09:00 am »

Congratulations for the win and the awesome report, I'll wish you much more wins if you promise reports like this one to become an habit Very Happy

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Round 1: Maarten with Aggro MUD

Game 1: I win the die roll and play first turn Hellkite. He matches it with a first turn Hellkite of his own and then ‘Sculpts his Steel’ into another Hellkite. I run my Hellkite into his and Duplicant his Sculpting Steel for the win. Duplicant was amazing for me all day!

Game 2: He may go first but it’s Hellkite again for me with a Duplicant for his Sculpting Steel on my Hellkite. Game over!
He couldn't find an answer to the 2/4 duplicant in time, or did you believe it was a 5/5?
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« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2011, 07:24:49 am »

Congratulations for the win and the awesome report, I'll wish you much more wins if you promise reports like this one to become an habit Very Happy

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Round 1: Maarten with Aggro MUD

Game 1: I win the die roll and play first turn Hellkite. He matches it with a first turn Hellkite of his own and then ‘Sculpts his Steel’ into another Hellkite. I run my Hellkite into his and Duplicant his Sculpting Steel for the win. Duplicant was amazing for me all day!

Game 2: He may go first but it’s Hellkite again for me with a Duplicant for his Sculpting Steel on my Hellkite. Game over!
He couldn't find an answer to the 2/4 duplicant in time, or did you believe it was a 5/5?

I think Robrecht had a hellkite and a duplicant and he had nothing at least that's the way I read it.

Why would duplicant that imprinted a sculpting steel copying hellkite be a 2/4? Is there something in the rules I missed? The sculpting steel comes into play as a hellkite and if it gets removed it's a sculpting steel again so duplicant is 2/4? Is that right?

@ Robrecht congrats on the first tournament win. I didn't know it was your first one. Go Team Hasselt  Smile
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« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2011, 07:40:03 am »

Congratulations for the win and the awesome report, I'll wish you much more wins if you promise reports like this one to become an habit Very Happy

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Game 1: I win the die roll and play first turn Hellkite. He matches it with a first turn Hellkite of his own and then ‘Sculpts his Steel’ into another Hellkite. I run my Hellkite into his and Duplicant his Sculpting Steel for the win. Duplicant was amazing for me all day!

Game 2: He may go first but it’s Hellkite again for me with a Duplicant for his Sculpting Steel on my Hellkite. Game over!
He couldn't find an answer to the 2/4 duplicant in time, or did you believe it was a 5/5?

I think Robrecht had a hellkite and a duplicant and he had nothing at least that's the way I read it.

Why would duplicant that imprinted a sculpting steel copying hellkite be a 2/4? Is there something in the rules I missed? The sculpting steel comes into play as a hellkite and if it gets removed it's a sculpting steel again so duplicant is 2/4? Is that right?

@ Robrecht congrats on the first tournament win. I didn't know it was your first one. Go Team Hasselt  Smile

Robrecht: congratz on the win and welcome to the club of tournament winners.

Punki: Indeed: Go Team Hasselt Smile.
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« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2011, 10:21:45 am »

Congratulations ! Great report.
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« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2011, 01:22:03 pm »

First of all nice report! It's allways nice to see reports of event's that i visit. I do think to exaggerate about my playskills, that is why I usually judge  Wink. I was drawing quite well during the entire day. I also can't really remember much of our game in the swiss.I think i t was a quick one with me having a lot of removal for your cards.

The finals were a bit weird and I wasn't playing really well (specially in the first game), even though I managed to stay alive quite long a made quite a few mistakes in the first game I think there might have been a way to win. I had set my mind to not losing, which was wrong because I was more-or-less in control for some turns and at a certain point I welded away.my Mox Ruby instead of the sol ring.

In the final game I made a plan in turn 2 that would win me the game unless you had a sphere and another robot, which you obviously had. I could have played it differently in some ways, but neither was a guaranteed win. And getting time walk would have helped because I could have cast it in my third turn, but I used the vamperic the turn before so I had to play the key and vault.



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« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2011, 02:01:15 pm »

I think Robrecht had a hellkite and a duplicant and he had nothing at least that's the way I read it.

Why would duplicant that imprinted a sculpting steel copying hellkite be a 2/4? Is there something in the rules I missed? The sculpting steel comes into play as a hellkite and if it gets removed it's a sculpting steel again so duplicant is 2/4? Is that right?

@ Robrecht congrats on the first tournament win. I didn't know it was your first one. Go Team Hasselt  Smile

Yes, in g2 he has both, but in g1 he said his Hellkite was chumpblocked by his opponent's, so he should have only a lone duplicant. Obviously I don't know the rest of the gamestate, so I was just courious as to what happened (moar details->happy readers!).

And yes, Duplicant stays a 2/4 because that's what happens when the removed card isn't a creature (as written on the card).
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« Reply #10 on: January 26, 2011, 10:47:34 pm »

Excellent report, good sir, and congratulations on the victory!

I agree with many of your assessments -> from MD duplicant, to the downfalls of Mana Crypt, to the fantastic dredge package.  Glad to see you beat the dredge player with a Wurmcoil Very Happy

The third Karn is in there because it is HUGE in some matches, vs. the mirror especially.  And definitely, tapping things with Tanglewire is less straightforward with Karn in the deck - occasionally I have found myself doing some math to calculate what would do the most damage and tapping mana sources before spheres.

In my area (NY/Penn), there's a deck known as Espresso Stax and Eon Hub is used versus the smokestacks/tangles in that deck.  With 1 card you can negate 8 of theirs, it's pretty sweet.  Further, Eon Hub stops oath of druids.

Once again, congratz!  Very Happy
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« Reply #11 on: January 27, 2011, 03:48:12 am »

Congratulations on the win !

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« Reply #12 on: January 27, 2011, 04:31:05 am »

Excellent report, good sir, and congratulations on the victory!

Thanks! But I have you to thank for the incredible list. It has a great number of hidden gems that only become apparent when you play the deck...

I agree with many of your assessments -> from MD duplicant, to the downfalls of Mana Crypt, to the fantastic dredge package.  Glad to see you beat the dredge player with a Wurmcoil Very Happy

The third Karn is in there because it is HUGE in some matches, vs. the mirror especially.  And definitely, tapping things with Tanglewire is less straightforward with Karn in the deck - occasionally I have found myself doing some math to calculate what would do the most damage and tapping mana sources before spheres.

That's indeed the only game where I brought in the extra Karn, in my first round match against Aggro MUD. Smile

In my area (NY/Penn), there's a deck known as Espresso Stax and Eon Hub is used versus the smokestacks/tangles in that deck.  With 1 card you can negate 8 of theirs, it's pretty sweet.  Further, Eon Hub stops oath of druids.

Indeed! I figured out most of all the incredible uses for Aeon Hub the day after the tournament... It's incredibly versatile, more then you'd think! Oath was indeed obvious and I thought about it's uses against Smokestack and Tangle Wire -believe it or not. I noticed during my limited testing that control/prison Stax builds were really tough to beat -as in: I lost almost all those games (I played the deck for the first time and this was my first matchup. It was a little bit disheartening but luckily I kept the faith and the deck came through wonderfully).
Then there is Energy Flux too of course...

Once again, congratz!  Very Happy

Thanks! I'm happy I didn't put the deck to shame! Smile

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« Reply #13 on: January 27, 2011, 04:33:20 am »

Congratulations on the win !

Bart

Bedankt! Smile

BTW I have to correct myself on my semifinal round. I had two Ancient Tombs of course when one got wasted. That meant I could attack two times with the Mishra's Factory as I was at 5 life. Those swings were blocked by the Lavamancer and the Gorilla Shaman. As soon as I had 1 life left, I couldn't use the Tomb anymore and I had to wait for a mana source.
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« Reply #14 on: January 27, 2011, 05:03:24 am »

@Odd_Mutation, RavagerSam,
I noticed the list had a Memory Jar, now whilst Jar is probably one of the cards I always loved, I am curious how much value are you really getting out of this without Goblin Welder in your list? It seems just a bit weird, if you have it and 5 (probably more) mana this could also be a threat. Given the fact that you run Metal Worker I can see something very explosive happening with Jar but is it really worth it?
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« Reply #15 on: January 27, 2011, 11:46:45 am »

Nice report indeed, very detailed.

So, my props go out to you and to Mathijs, who (after 5-0-ed in the swiss after 5 round) maiking top 4 in the process on his third vintage tournament! (his first 2 being about a year or 4 ago)

More to be expected soon. Wink

Thanks! Indeed, Mathijs clearly knows what he's doing. It would be great if he would play more Vintage!

How was your tournament? We didn't talk but I've seen you there...

Robrecht.

I played a Cerebral Assassin wich I designed personally for the German metagame, (Annency) unfortunataly I was not able to go to Annency, but after spending so many time in deck development. The worst matchup (storm variants) turn up to be great (3-1) during testing so I was good to go.

I won the first round against cobra-tezz.

The second round I was paired up against Twan with dredge, which was the perft scenario to decide once and for all who had the best graveyard based vintage deck, and would therefore call himself "King of Bazaars", after him cowerdley sneaking in a turn 1 leyline of the void in play, I simply crushed all his dreams in game 2 proving to have the upperhand (goblin welder/tormod's crypt/sharuum shenenigans ftw!), unfortunataly it was not meant to be (me), game 3 I was destroyed by a chalice at zero, whille keeping a hand with demonic tutor, yixlid jailer, mox jet and mox pearls, 3 other decenct cards but with no lands. The suffering of not being the King of Bazaars must have been equal to say; losing an arm in a sword fight while being on a horse.

I was able to win the third round against dark times deck, which was quite interesting, since C/A vs Dark Times is not a matchup that you will see every day.

Round 4 against aggro shop (with arcbound dudes) my opp proved to me that quantity wins over quality since my big bots could do very little against a herd of 1/1's with backed up cranial plating and skullclamp, in hindsight I probably played kinda poor here since ancient' grudging a skullclamp instead of a cranial plating would totally prevented him from going bonker.

Next time I'll go for card advantage and simply laugh at being dealt damage.



I received a gameloss for being late in round 5, to make matters worse, he was able to play a jace with drain backup on turn 1. Me no like Jace Sad

Next time I will probably pick up a real deck.
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« Reply #16 on: January 27, 2011, 06:32:13 pm »

@Odd_Mutation, RavagerSam,
I noticed the list had a Memory Jar, now whilst Jar is probably one of the cards I always loved, I am curious how much value are you really getting out of this without Goblin Welder in your list? It seems just a bit weird, if you have it and 5 (probably more) mana this could also be a threat. Given the fact that you run Metal Worker I can see something very explosive happening with Jar but is it really worth it?

It's fine without Welder.  It's a fun little trick that steals games randomly or solidifies a win (I think I cracked in 5 times in tournaments and each time was insane); I have 100% win rate in tournament games Memory Jar was tapped during the declare attackers phase.
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« Reply #17 on: January 27, 2011, 07:42:22 pm »

I was not a believer in Jar, but it is absolutely, certifiably amazing.  I will be playing it in my Metalworker decks going forward.
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« Reply #18 on: January 27, 2011, 07:55:41 pm »

I just want to add that this tournament report was truly excellent.  Reports are one of the best ways for the community to get a practical understanding of how a deck works in a tournament field by reading TMD, and reports that are especially well-organized and detailed accomplish that task much more effectively.  Well done, and congratulations on your performance.
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« Reply #19 on: January 27, 2011, 08:06:50 pm »

Agreed, great report!  And, congrats on the win!
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« Reply #20 on: January 28, 2011, 03:43:41 am »

Hi Robrecht!

Congratulations on your well deserved win.

Thanks for this amazing report.
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« Reply #21 on: January 28, 2011, 02:55:17 pm »

Fantastic report man! I love Steel Hellkite (and hate it when playing against it with Oath). You should run 4 of them! (I would cut the Crucible as it is too slow in my opinion.)

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« Reply #22 on: January 31, 2011, 05:19:08 pm »

Robrecht, that is a very nice report SIR.

One correction, I didn't play any Gushes in my list Wink.

Congratz on the win. Hope to see you next time again for that rematch.
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« Reply #23 on: February 01, 2011, 04:06:33 am »

One correction, I didn't play any Gushes in my list Wink.

That's correct! I fixed the report... sorry 'bout that.

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« Reply #24 on: February 01, 2011, 09:03:11 pm »

Gratz. We have an upcoming vintage tourney in about two weeks. This decklist definitely will be what I'm playing as well. I love the reports as its been giving me insight on how to play the deck. Hope I do well with it. Smile
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« Reply #25 on: February 01, 2011, 09:39:17 pm »

Also, was just wondering. I haven't really seen much in the reports regarding MUD about being Hurkyl'd or Rebuild'd.  Is it to do with the fact that they never really get enough mana to cast it or something else?
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« Reply #26 on: February 02, 2011, 03:34:25 am »

Also, was just wondering. I haven't really seen much in the reports regarding MUD about being Hurkyl'd or Rebuild'd.  Is it to do with the fact that they never really get enough mana to cast it or something else?

Exactly, either you make sure that they can never cast their bounce spells (Spheres, Golems, Chalices, Wastelands, Tangele Wires, ...) or you kill them before they become relevant.
It has become much more difficult for opponents to play their bounce spells at the most opportune time. It used to be easier to wait until the end of the MUD player's turn, bounce everything and then untap and win in your own turn. The pressure is much higher now.
I'm not saying bounce is obsolete now, just that it's more difficult to actually cast it and definitely more difficult to take maximum advantage of the effect. Most of the time, it's just to delay the inevitable.

I didn't have my board bounced in a long time... (I shouldn't have said that because now it's just a matter of time... Smile)

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