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Marco
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« on: April 30, 2011, 01:48:20 pm »

Murder of Crows
1B
Creature – Bird (Uncommon)
1/1
Flying
When Murder of Crows enters the battlefield, if its rebirth cost was paid, return all cards named Murder of Crows from your graveyard to the battlefield.
Rebirth 4B (You may cast this card from your graveyard for its rebirth cost. If you do, it enters the battlefield with a death counter on it. If this creature would leave the battlefield, if it has a death counter on it, exile it instead.)

Started out as a common with a rebirth cost of 3B. Was trying for a black Squadron Hawk.

FYI, the official rules for rebirth are as follows:

702.XX. Rebirth

702.XXa Rebirth represents two static abilities: one that functions while the card is in a player's graveyard and the other that functions while the card is on the battlefield. "Rebirth [cost]" means "You may cast this card from your graveyard by paying [cost] rather than paying its mana cost. If you do, this permanent enters the battlefield with a death counter on it" and "If this permanent would leave the battlefield, if it has a death counter on it, exile it instead of putting it anywhere else." Casting a spell using its rebirth ability follows the rules for paying alternative costs in rules 601.2b and 601.2e–g.

* Casting a card by using its rebirth ability works just like casting any other card except you're casting the card from your graveyard rather than your hand.

* A rebirth card cast from your graveyard follows the normal timing rules for creature cards.

* To cast a rebirth card from your graveyard, you must pay its rebirth cost.

* When a rebirth card you cast from your graveyard is countered, it's put back into your graveyard.
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« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2011, 01:50:00 pm »

Current Wording:

Murder of Crows
1B
Creature – Bird (Uncommon)
1/1
Flying
When Murder of Crows enters the battlefield, if its rebirth cost was paid, return all cards named Murder of Crows from your graveyard to the battlefield.
Rebirth 4B (You may cast this card from your graveyard for its rebirth cost. If you do, it enters the battlefield with a death counter on it. If this creature would leave the battlefield, if it has a death counter on it, exile it instead.)
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« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2011, 11:50:52 am »

Looks fine to me.
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« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2011, 12:40:19 pm »

Should the other Crows returned from the graveyard get a Death Counter?

Like currently, with all four in play, you could:

Skullclamp all four.  Pay Rebirth cost on one of them.
Skullclamp all four.  Pay Rebirth cost on one of them.
Skullclamp three.  Pay Rebirth cost on one of them.
Skullclamp two.  Pay Rebirth cost on last one.
Skullclamp one.

Skullclamp just being the best possible abuse.  Whereas, with each of them getting a Death Counter when returned you'd have:

Skullclamp all four.  Pay Rebirth cost on one of them.
Skullclamp all four.

And that's it.  Vastly different powerlevel you may want to consider, though I wouldn't claim it was too too powerful before.
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« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2011, 01:56:25 pm »

I think that scenario is still fine.

When one considers that it probably took Intuition, Survival, or something similar to set this up in the first place, there are much much nastier things you could have done than pay {7} {B} for 6 cards. Also, it only gets less mana efficient from there.   {6} {B} for four cards is meh.  {5} {B} for two cards is just lame.

I really don't see this comparing favorably against Intu-AK or Survival-Vengevine shenanigans.
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Much like humanity itself.
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