[COMM] Edric Spymaster of Trest

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single card discuccion
 
Legendary Creature- Elf Rogue
Whenever a creature deals combat damage to one of your opponents its controller may draw a card
2/2
Possible candidate for fish instead of cold- eyed selkie?
bad news legendary, no islandwalk
good news it doesnt need exalted, all your creatures may attack so you do maximum  damage and you draw card(s), fish decks usually have more than one creature in play.
Thoughts?

[meadbert]

The main advantage is you can play this and then attack with your other creature(s) thus drawing cards the turn it comes into play.
This looks really good to me!

[Troy_Costisick]

Plus you get to draw cards off each creature, twice if they have doublestrike.

[DubDub]

I love the way the ability is worded for multiplayer.  That interaction is so cool, like a reverse 'rattlesnake'.

For Vintage, I think the issue is that it doesn't play nicely with Noble Hierarch.  CES + Hierarch is attacking to draw two cards, and being able to still tap Hierarch for mana.  The creature accelerator this guy wants is probably Lotus Cobra, since Cobra has postive power, but if you're playing Lotus Cobra why are you going to play a fair spell like this dude instead of Necropotence or Jace?

I would like for this guy to make Fish more competitive, maybe in a Faeries-esque shell so that Spellstutter Sprites and Vendilion Cliques gain value beyond their ETB triggers?  Getting a free Keep Watch every turn is potentially no joke, but it will need the right deck.

[meadbert]

I love the way the ability is worded for multiplayer.  That interaction is so cool, like a reverse 'rattlesnake'.

For Vintage, I think the issue is that it doesn't play nicely with Noble Hierarch.  CES + Hierarch is attacking to draw two cards, and being able to still tap Hierarch for mana.  The creature accelerator this guy wants is probably Lotus Cobra, since Cobra has postive power, but if you're playing Lotus Cobra why are you going to play a fair spell like this dude instead of Necropotence or Jace?

I would like for this guy to make Fish more competitive, maybe in a Faeries-esque shell so that Spellstutter Sprites and Vendilion Cliques gain value beyond their ETB triggers?  Getting a free Keep Watch every turn is potentially no joke, but it will need the right deck.

Thats a good point.  This seems better in a list with Savannah Lions and Isamaru and that sort of stuff.  You want some quick beaters.

[Troy_Costisick]

I love the way the ability is worded for multiplayer.  That interaction is so cool, like a reverse 'rattlesnake'.

For Vintage, I think the issue is that it doesn't play nicely with Noble Hierarch.  CES + Hierarch is attacking to draw two cards, and being able to still tap Hierarch for mana.  The creature accelerator this guy wants is probably Lotus Cobra, since Cobra has postive power, but if you're playing Lotus Cobra why are you going to play a fair spell like this dude instead of Necropotence or Jace?

I would like for this guy to make Fish more competitive, maybe in a Faeries-esque shell so that Spellstutter Sprites and Vendilion Cliques gain value beyond their ETB triggers?  Getting a free Keep Watch every turn is potentially no joke, but it will need the right deck.

Thats a good point.  This seems better in a list with Savannah Lions and Isamaru and that sort of stuff.  You want some quick beaters.

Grayscale Garial too!  Islandwalk at the one drop!

[TopSecret]

This guy is amazing. If you get him and a Confidant out that's kind of nuts. Problem is he needs multiple creatures to be good. However, I think that can be easily mitigated. To be honest, I'm utterly impressed with this card. I don't know if it will see a lot of Vintage play, but I think it will see a lot of play. I also think it's a lot better than Selkie in any dedicated creature deck that doesn't have pump in most scenarios since with just another creature in play, it's already better than Selkie since if you just hit with the other guy that's an extra draw Selkie would not otherwise get. When you get 2 other creatures in play, that's kind of ridiculous. This kind of play requires no overextension or specific cards either. Amazing.

[LSD25]

prowl is cool

[serracollector]

Getting creatures in play that are relevant is not hard.  If we splash white (which most fish decks do) we got:

Meddling Mage
Leonin Arbiter (why search when you can draw?)
Aven Mindcensor
Leonin Relic-Warder (HOUSE!)
Trygon predator
Gaddock Teeg

These could all be 4 of's, and personally in the current "turbo-tezz"/"gushbondtendrils" meta, I think Teeg is better than FoW. 

My 2 cents.  I love this guy.

[MaximumCDawg]

I suspect his true power will be in a deck where you have fielded a few creatures already and he comes into net you a buttload of cards in a single swing.  He's pretty slick with an Aether Vial, too.

[Troy_Costisick]

Getting creatures in play that are relevant is not hard.  If we splash white (which most fish decks do) we got:

Meddling Mage
Leonin Arbiter (why search when you can draw?)
Aven Mindcensor
Leonin Relic-Warder (HOUSE!)
Trygon predator
Gaddock Teeg

Noble Hierarch
Qasaili Pridemage

[mort-]

Actually, the first card that came to my mind when I read him was Bitterblossom. Slow, but seems insane.

[nineisnoone]

don't like it in Fish.  love it in elves.  

[Guli]

don't like it in Fish.  love it in elves.  

You must be joking.



Yea baby, design mode. EST is by far the best 3 drop that will be printed for some time now. Remember the theme 'effect is tempo'? This instant effect is extremely powerfull. And I would not worry about evasion. Student of Warfare seems pretty nifty and might be the favored one drop with EST. We will see though, a lot of options...

[TopSecret]

omg this guy is so good
I reread this thread and was pleasantry surprised I did not dream it up

balls, insane

I think fish is gonna use this a lot
I just don't see how they can't

I mean, yeah something more like ss style fish
or some kind of aggro control that's more control than aggro might not
but I mean damn. He's like a double confidant with another creature and him
and every additional creature is better
and he's not dead on his own and pitches to force

I mean holy shit
he can also be fetched via green sun zenith
which is really strong in my opinion,
cause if you have a number of creatures without blockers on the table
he straight up owns

agh
so good

[Ten-Ten]

..the card advantage is insane with critters such as: any doublestriking/evasive dude,  trygon predator, coldeyed selkie, augery adept, BoB, etc.
Best of all, it's a new toy for GAT ! 

Possible restriction? 

[zimagic]

..the card advantage is insane with critters such as: any doublestriking/evasive dude,  trygon predator, coldeyed selkie, augery adept, BoB, etc.
Best of all, it's a new toy for GAT ! 

Possible restriction? 

Yep, you can only have one in play at any given time. 

[madmanmike25]

Nonsense, this guy just needs Mirror Gallery.  But seems like a solid 2-of for fishy decks.

[Beralt]

I guess in Vintage Elves it/he can replace a Glimpse of Nature for Card draw and he can be tutored with Zenith and Summoner's Pact.  And he pitches to Force if you are splashing Blue (although Forces would be hard to squeeze into an Elves build).

[serracollector]

He is good on his own, any other creatures getting thhough makes him outrageous. I been testing him in a UG build I piloted a while back to a t8.  And so far he is a great card, even as a possible 4 of if you play 4 Force and 1-2 Misdirection.  The CA he brings once dropped is instant, and usually two fold ++. 

[voltron00x]

don't like it in Fish.  love it in elves.  

I actually agree 100%, it's just a shame that Lodestone Golem / Gush have really left Elves in the dust in Vintage.

Now, in Legacy Elves, this guy seems pretty cool, since you're obviously going to have a bajillion more guys than basically any other deck, and he dodges both Mental Misstep and Spell Snare.  Interesting, maybe worth trying out of the sb.

[Troy_Costisick]

don't like it in Fish.  love it in elves.  

I actually agree 100%, it's just a shame that Lodestone Golem / Gush have really left Elves in the dust in Vintage.

Now, in Legacy Elves, this guy seems pretty cool, since you're obviously going to have a bajillion more guys than basically any other deck, and he dodges both Mental Misstep and Spell Snare.  Interesting, maybe worth trying out of the sb.

Do you play Brainstorm in your Legacy Elves deck, Matt?

[voltron00x]

don't like it in Fish.  love it in elves.  

I actually agree 100%, it's just a shame that Lodestone Golem / Gush have really left Elves in the dust in Vintage.

Now, in Legacy Elves, this guy seems pretty cool, since you're obviously going to have a bajillion more guys than basically any other deck, and he dodges both Mental Misstep and Spell Snare.  Interesting, maybe worth trying out of the sb.

Do you play Brainstorm in your Legacy Elves deck, Matt?

No, I've mostly been playing mono-Green lately, although U for Intuition / VV is pretty good against a control-heavy format like we have currently.

[RecklessEmbermage]

Nice! Should be really good alongside ninja of the deep hours (since you play a bunch of crappy one-drops).

[Guli]

Why would you need a bunch of crappy 1 drops?

Edric will be strong with acceleration so you will drop a turn 1 > 2 drop!

Also you don't need all that much creatures attacking. Even 1 creature drawing cards is huge if your deck is designed well.

[TopSecret]

To add to what's been said, I'm imagining a one drop, then a two drop, then Edric and swing.
Untap, swing again.
This alone is amazing and requires a normal hand and a normal deck.

Over two turns that's five cards for a three mana investment assuming you can keep blockers off the table.
In Vintage, not necessarily a bad proposition.

[Guli]

I believe Vault Skirge is your guy then. It flies an costs  . Lifelink is underrated.

The first two drop I want is Rootwater Thief. Flying and extract.

Other than able to connect they have acceptable abilities.

We need another 1 drop as a 4, similar to those above (And of course a lot of 2 drops too). I am looking now for candidates.


I think Vendilion Clique would be strong too as another 3 drop.

[serracollector]

Jesian Infiltarator is the same colors, is a 2/2 for UG and is Unblockable!  Free draw and 2 damage.

[Guli]

Jesian Infiltarator is the same colors, is a 2/2 for UG and is Unblockable!  Free draw and 2 damage.

Does nothing.

Thing is with Edric, and I think the real power in this card, you can afford to use Force of Will, Elvish spirith Guides, Frantic Search, Mental Misstep. Cards that are good and give you a temporary edge at the cost of burning your hand, doing card disadvantage. I think playing for speed and explosiveness could be rewarding if you can get Eric in play with a couple of creatures.

[tito del monte]

Jesian Infiltarator is the same colors, is a 2/2 for UG and is Unblockable!  Free draw and 2 damage.

Does nothing.

I think the problem that you both identify here, and that would need solving if an Edric deck to succeed, is that early evasive creatures ≠ early disruptive creatures. The latter have been (up to now at least) the only thing making creature-centric decks viable in Vintage. The question now I suppose is whether there Edric (combined with non-creature disruption) is enough mid/late game gas to make essentially an aggro strategy (other than MUD) viable in the format. I'm not sure myself - however much I would love to see him work out.

Anyway, with an aggro deck in mind, fuelled with early evasive beaters (also packing ESG, Chalice, Misstep, FOW?), could an infect strategy work? Inkmoth Nexus could work nicely, along with say Blighted Agent - and Signal Pest to boost the the team. Edric to draw into pump spells? :/

The other direction might be a Bant Edric deck featuring Stoneforge Mystic and Sword of Body and Mind - Protection from blue to beat Jace bounce, and tokens to swarm past blockers and draw cards. Oh and yeah, milling as a tenuous win con.