Visions of Beyond

[CorwinB]

Instant,  , Rare

Draw a card. If a graveyard has 20 or more cards in it, draw 3 cards instead.

Sounds pretty good in mana-dredge for sure...

[LSD25]

oath

[Wagner]

oath

IF you Oathed, you don'T need to draw 3 cards.

But this does seem pretty solid to me. Sounds like Dragon could use this, or any Strategic Planning deck.

It doesn't even have to be YOUR graveyard, I like this. Late game against or in control, it can make you come back in the game. Although, with this printed, it's pretty sure Thirst isn't coming back anytime soon.

Not a 4 of for sure, but has potential.

[honestabe]

It's an instant, it draws cards, and most importantly, it costs  

It'll find a home.  Might be time to dust off those Goblin Welders and check out Slaver again.  Seems like w/ frantic Search and compulsive research as 4-ofs, this thing is going to see play.


Also, looks like FoF isn't coming off the list for a while now

[serracollector]

Hedron Crab + 2 fetches + glimpse the Unthinkable gets this online on turn 3 

[Lemnear]

Hilarious!

end of opponents turn, Visions of Beyond, hold priority, Brain Freeze, draw 3

[A_Outcast]

this thing seems kinda amazing.  worst case it cycles for u, best case its acall.  seems kind of nuts.  seems kind of very nuts.  against ichorid it seems like its an acall every time.

seems really good in an intuition based deck.

[Lemnear]

4x gush
1x fastbond
4x preordain
4x Visions of beyond
2-4x brainfreeze
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"Almost blue" would love these

[serracollector]

Throw in Gitaxin Probe and high tide for fun.

[Guli]

Who cares if it cantrips?

20 cards is a lot, how are you going to get 20 cards in your grave within the first 3 turns and keep control or disrupt while doing it? The only deck that can use this, might be dredge. And do they need this?


SB card vs dredge? No! we use those slots to play grave hate...

[serracollector]

First turn Grim Monolith, turn 2 Traumatize?

Seriously tho, Guli is probably right, this card 99% of the time is just a cantrip.

[katakis]

Wouldn't this perfectly fit into a Tyrant-Oath list or some other Storm-Combo Oath hybrid? Maybe not as a full playset, but as a 2- or 3-of. These combo decks could accept a cantrip and would just LOVE to have 3-4 Ancestrals after an Oath activation.

[Guli]

Wouldn't this perfectly fit into a Tyrant-Oath list or some other Storm-Combo Oath hybrid? Maybe not as a full playset, but as a 2- or 3-of. These combo decks could accept a cantrip and would just LOVE to have 3-4 Ancestrals after an Oath activation.

Bad.

Until Oath activation the card is useless, after Oath activation you should win anyway.

[honestabe]

I think this could be really, really good in an "Almost Blue" deck with a couple of Frantic Searches, and a bunch of Ponders and Preordains.

[AmbivalentDuck]

SB card vs dredge? No! we use those slots to play grave hate...

A very aggressive combo deck might be able to use it for that purpose.

[Klep]

I think this card is one of the biggest teases Wizards has ever printed.

[MaximumCDawg]

Vintage games are just too fast for this to consistently turn on.

The only role I can see this playing is being new sideboard tech against Dredge.  But, then again, when dredge is up to 20 cards in the yard, arn't you going to lose anyway? 

I guess it might also have utility in Drain Tendrils.  You can cycle it at opponent's end step early in the game, and make your Yawgwill more explosive... if you don't get it off until way, way late game.  But does Yawgwill need the help...?

[Wagner]

On the other hand, EDH will LOVE this

2 players games not so much, but when playing multiplayer, odds that one of you will get 20 cards down are good.

[dangerlinto]

SB card vs dredge? No! we use those slots to play grave hate...

A very aggressive combo deck might be able to use it for that purpose.

Dream Salvage is pretty much just better if you are bringing this in to out-race Dredge with a combo llist.  Even dredge doesn't get 20 cards in the GY on turn one regularly, but they do discard 3 (or more) almost all the time.

[Shax]

This card will be broken retarded somewhere. 20 cards in a graveyard is not hard, and having x5 Ancestral Recall is just nuts. Dragon list. Control Slaver this. Intution decks. Life from the Loam strategys. Madness decks. Basically all the decks that had a hammer busting them in the knees because they did not have something broken enough for a draw engine. They have this. This is huge.

[vaughnbros]

20 cards seems like a lot and no list in vintage can reliably get that many cards into their gy quickly unless they are about to win, dredge with 20 cards in the yard is prob going to win, oath with 20 cards in their gy means they activated oath, dragon rarely ever has 20 cards in their gy unless they seen like half their deck already and same goes for madness, the current build of control slaver will rarely ever hav 20 cards in its yard.  I really dont see this card being that good at all its about as close to ancestral recall in vintage as ancestral visions.  Thirst, Gifts, Jace, and FoF all seem like more reliable late game options and you cant cast this card early.

[Ten-Ten]

I think this could be really, really good in an "Almost Blue" deck with a couple of Frantic Searches, and a bunch of Ponders and Preordains.

Almost blue has Gush/Frantic search now so doesn't really need this.

The more I look at VoB, the least I like it.  I cant beleive I almost pre-ordered this. Its so easy to get carried away when you see "...Draw 3 cards" on a card for . If the cost were to be 0, it would still suck.

I know this isnt the card creation forum but just a thought:
Visions of Beyond should have read more along the lines...

 
Draw a card.
If a player has one card of each type other than creature & planeswalker in their graveyard draw 3 cards instead.
 exile Visions of Beyond. 
 

[Wagner]

That's just bonkers (assuming you forgot Tribal) but just non-planeswalker and non-tribal would also be just be pretty good.

[Guli]

THE CARD DOES NOT FIT IN ANY KNOWN ARCHETYPE.

That being said, you can create, innovate something new. Question is, is it worth it?

[Lemnear]

this card would have been amazing only drawing 2 with normal threshold as tradeoff. I will test it in almost blue as the eot trick I mentioned ....

[gkraigher]

this card is well rounded and will spur a multitude of new decks.  good job wizards

[Guli]

Mind Funeral will get you there fast.

[Troy_Costisick]

Mind Funeral will get you there fast.

Yeah, but  is an aweful lot to pay for 3 cards.

[Guli]

Mind Funeral will get you there fast.

Yeah, but  is an aweful lot to pay for 3 cards.

Of course you should not do it merely to draw 3. It is however the best card to do it in one shot.

[Delha]

Mind Funeral will get you there fast.

Yeah, but  is an aweful lot to pay for 3 cards.

Of course you should not do it merely to draw 3. It is however the best card to do it in one shot.

In a deck with 12 lands, you've got solid odds of whiffing. If you're running any more than that, the odds go up. Traumatize or Hermit Druid are much more reliable, although you probably don't want to Ancestral after activating the latter.