Proxies

[Onslaught]

As long as this was indistinguishable from other cards in the deck (double sleeved), would you have any problem with someone using this as a proxy in a tournament?:



I asked a TO acquaintance, and he said that it probably wouldn't be allowed since it doesn't contain the actual rules text on it. He doesn't really run events anymore, so I was just curious what everyone else thought. I think it should be fair game, because if I were to play a Japanese Jace against an opponent it would be functionally identical in that "the opponent cannot read the oracle rules text on this card."

I made some "beta" fetchlands that have the same issue:



Is there really anyone entering Vintage tournaments though that doesn't know what Jace and Polluted Delta do?

Here are some of my other proxies, which I assume would be fine in a tournament as long as they weren't marked:









It's a pretty big waste of time and money to make high quality proxies, but I'm hoping that they will make the game seem more interesting to spectators who might otherwise be put off by seeing "Lotus" scribbled on a Plains with a Sharpie.

[Prospero]

They're very nice proxies, I like them quite a bit. 

[Troy_Costisick]

Regarding the Jace proxy, yes I'd have a problem with it.  But only because Fateseal is not what his first ability does, so that would cause some rules questions/problems when someone targeted themselves with it.  I don't know if that's what you wanted to hear, but yeah, the Jace would be a no-go for me.

Peace,

-Troy

[Yare]

These proxies are so insanely awesome. Thanks for posting!

[Joblin Velder]

USE EM.

[honestabe]

I would have no problem with those.  So many cards don't do what they say because of rules changes and erratas, that there really shouldnt be a problem

[Nefarias]

Agree. I have no problem with any of those. There is no way you're fitting all of Jace's text onto a hand-written proxy anyway, and those are allowed. Not to mention that Jace is a lot more understandable than a real Time Vault is, and a hell of a lot more readable than a Japanese Jace.

My issue would be whether or not these are actually distinguishable in a sleeve, because if not that then that's pretty close to counterfeiting. And if they are, well then the objection to that should be obvious.

But as long as you use your powers for good, and they truly are indistinguishable, then I say go for it.

[stealth]

Great stuff. I like the commitment to keeping it old school.

[Ten-Ten]

Agree. I have no problem with any of those. There is no way you're fitting all of Jace's text onto a hand-written proxy anyway, and those are allowed. Not to mention that Jace is a lot more understandable than a real Time Vault is, and a hell of a lot more readable than a Japanese Jace.

My issue would be whether or not these are actually distinguishable in a sleeve, because if not that then that's pretty close to counterfeiting. And if they are, well then the objection to that should be obvious.

But as long as you use your powers for good, and they truly are indistinguishable, then I say go for it.

i agree

[diopter]

That Jace is unreal

[Samite Healer]

Are some of these cards printed on, are they copy/paste onto an existing card?

[Delha]

Regarding the Jace proxy, yes I'd have a problem with it.  But only because Fateseal is not what his first ability does, so that would cause some rules questions/problems when someone targeted themselves with it.  I don't know if that's what you wanted to hear, but yeah, the Jace would be a no-go for me.

Peace,

-Troy

I don't imagine it's any worse than a foreign card, as mentioned in the OP. You did notice that his -12 ability is just labeled "Win", right?

@Onslaught: Very nice work! These were awesome, lots of kickass proxies in there. I especially loved the Xiahou Dun and duals. Regarding rules issues, I imagine they can be easily solved by keeping a copy of the actual card text around. Just a printout of the Oracle page or the normal card face is probably enough.

[Onslaught]

I'm glad people are digging them, almost makes the time in Photoshop feel worthwhile. Thanks!

For those who are concerned about counterfeiting, these have blank backs. So if you somehow thought a card with Magneto, Doc Brown, or Pokemon on it might have been real, you could just check the back and realize that it was indeed a proxy.

[LotusHead]

Any effort to make proxies easy to read/recognize/playable is greatly appreciated.

How is +2 Fateseal wrong?

+2 Fateseal 1 any better?

[CorwinB]

Any effort to make proxies easy to read/recognize/playable is greatly appreciated.

How is +2 Fateseal wrong?

+2 Fateseal 1 any better?

Jace's first ability is either Fateseal 1 (targetting opponent) or Scry 1 (targetting yourself).

[Norm4eva]

Those Thoughtseizes and textless dual lands are sick as shit.

[Nefarias]

I'm glad people are digging them, almost makes the time in Photoshop feel worthwhile. Thanks!

For those who are concerned about counterfeiting, these have blank backs. So if you somehow thought a card with Magneto, Doc Brown, or Pokemon on it might have been real, you could just check the back and realize that it was indeed a proxy.

Heh, perhaps I should have been more clear. Obviously all these cards are fake, but if you can duplicate the cardstock (which you would have to in order for them to be indistinguishable in a sleeve) and print quality perfectly, then theoretically you could also make a fake "real" card.

Not trying to be a stick-in-the-mud; I think these are awesome, and I used the ole "slips of paper printout of cards stuck in sleeve with another card" as proxies for years, so I'm personally not a stickler for such things. I'm just pointing out a potential issue.

[boggyb]

Those Thoughtseizes and textless dual lands are sick as shit.

Yeah how the hell did you make these not feel different than regular cards? Some of them could've just been doodled on (seizes, moxen), but like the beta fetchlands (which are killer!) were clearly printed. How'd you do that while maintaining the exact thickness and pliability of regular magic cards?

[Onslaught]

You can't, it's impossible. You can get damn close though, and then when they are double sleeved there's no way of distinguishing them from a normal card. Outside of a sleeve you would never mistake it for a real card after touching it, it just feels a bit off. Inside a sleeve, you might be able to tell if you were looking for it extremely hard. Double sleeved is impossible to tell, even down to the overall weight of each card.