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Author Topic: came to me at work - mana-cost altering white weenie  (Read 4152 times)
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« on: December 08, 2011, 12:29:17 pm »

Trying to think of a way White can diversify its whole "combat zone" supremacy thing in a meaningful way, since guys like White/Silver Knight just get outclassed and guys like Aven Mindcensor/Ethersworn Canonist are difficult to build around, etc.

Someguy Awesomepants  {W} {W}

Creature - Human Soldier

If you control an attacking or blocking creature, spells you play cost  {W} less to play and can't be countered.

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Yeah, this makes StP free to cast and uncounterable.  So that might be bad.  I want to ensure that the controlling player is engaged in combat, though, hence the "control an attacking or blocking creature" phrase as opposed to something simpler like "during combat."  However, during combat might just be much cleaner.  I also don't *need* it to say "can't be countered" but I figured I'd start big and whittle it down.

I also don't want to create a card that lends itself to combo abuse - in the same way that Xanthid Swarm is better for combo players than aggro players - and so taking colored mana off the cost of the spell, while forcing the player to play it during combat, while attacking or blocking, seems in some way reasonable.  I might be wrong.

Current wording:

Combat Marshal  {W} {W}

Creature - Human Soldier

If you control an attacking or blocking creature, spells you play cost  {W} less to play and can't be countered.

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« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2011, 01:30:41 pm »

I love it. Can't see much to improve and he seems pretty balanced.

Suddenly Vanish into Memory is a cheap uncounterable combat trick and card draw! I'm sure other cute cards would work.
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« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2011, 12:21:52 pm »

Really digging this one as well. Very cool idea.

I'd personally lean more towards "As long as CARDNAME is attacking or blocking..." over the current phrasing. Do you feel it weakens the card too much? I don't necessarily feel it's overpowered as is, just voicing my gut reaction.
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« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2011, 01:46:50 pm »

Really digging this one as well. Very cool idea.

I'd personally lean more towards "As long as CARDNAME is attacking or blocking..." over the current phrasing. Do you feel it weakens the card too much? I don't necessarily feel it's overpowered as is, just voicing my gut reaction.

See, I gave it a half second's thought - again being at work when it came to me - but the quick convo I had with me was something like this:

"Should I force this thing to be engaged in combat or no?"
    "Well, me, it's sort of supposed to represent the flavor of a general enhancing his troops tactics. Does a general attack, or hang back and give orders unless it's crucial that he advance?"
"I guess he hangs back."
    "Well there you go."

Now granted, this is more of a modern concept of a general, as these days a conflict is mediated in an entirely different way than, say, even 150 years ago (Civil War generals engaging in very different ways).

Also, yeah I suppose it seems a little weaker if he actually has to attack, since he's way easier to pick off if he actually has to attack, and honestly when compared to other mana-cheating effects, it's not necessarily as strong as, say, controlling a Llanowar Elves.  So I did want it to be a little bit protected, I suppose, although if the feeling is that the effect is too strong or the wording is too heavy-handed I'm not against reworking it.

Also, clearly he needs better name and flavor text.
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« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2011, 02:54:01 pm »

Master Tactician? Boring, but appropriate, I think.

Taking another direction, perhaps Battlemage Trainee?
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« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2011, 03:10:13 pm »

A deck with 4 orims chants, 4 sliences, and 4 abeyances could def use this to cast w/e in the hell they want after the attack step. 
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« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2011, 01:08:04 am »

A deck with 4 orims chants, 4 sliences, and 4 abeyances could def use this to cast w/e in the hell they want after the attack step. 

This is not really much stronger than Xantid Swarm.  Where Xantid is online turn 2, this guy would only come online turn 3 if you actually had the Chant in hand.  Still, it might be worth dropping the 'uncounterable' clause.
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« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2011, 09:05:29 am »

Hmm...what about Combat Marshal as the name?
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« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2011, 10:09:29 am »

A deck with 4 orims chants, 4 sliences, and 4 abeyances could def use this to cast w/e in the hell they want after the attack step. 

Sure,but this is.a deck.running a guy that costs WW. How is this going to be a problem?
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« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2011, 10:45:06 am »

Indeed, Chant and Silence only cost 1 mana, it's not like you're going to gain an insane tempo boost by casting them for free, also, it means that you run 8 cards that are card disadvantage in a deck that obviously wants to be tempo. It sounds like a very janky way to use this guy.

Just run Grand Abolisher instead of a Chant suite.
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« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2011, 07:04:46 pm »

I like Combat Marshal.  I'll update the OP.
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« Reply #11 on: December 12, 2011, 01:21:36 pm »

Pretty much the same name as the already existing Field Marshal, but meh.
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