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« on: April 18, 2012, 01:07:14 am »

From mothership: http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/feature/191a

Triumph of Ferocity
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At the beginning of your upkeep, draw a card if you control the creature with the greatest power or tied for the greatest power.

If this had been printed in, say, Zendikar, this would be very interesting.  A one-sided howling mine that GW can use against most of the field is pretty cool.  I wonder if this is still playable in an age where even a control player might be able to field a goyf and steal the benefit, though.  Whattya think?
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« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2012, 02:30:18 am »

I think a deck with Tarmogoyf should be called Aggro Control instead of just control. Those kind of decks usually run Trygon too and probably Snapcaster as well.. (if not Delver and/or Clique)

This card does not say 'at the beginning of each players upkeep' according to the description you gave us. So the only benefit for the opponent would be that you casted a dead card they can ignore.

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« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2012, 02:30:55 am »

Reading the card even if the control player steal a Goyf he does not get the benefit (as it says "if you").
worse case you do not get the benefit from it if your opponent has a bigger creature in play.

Obvious that compared to a control player probably the GW player has more removals .... so in my view yes it is still playable, not sure f it means it will be a strong card or not.
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« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2012, 02:54:34 am »

Against MUD, you probably would have smaller creatues than him. If your creatures are more powerful, you will win anyways.
Against Ichorid/combo, it's too slow.
Against drain decks it's probably worse than other draw engines.
Against fish, it would depend on both deck configurations.

If you have a creature with power greater than your opponent, you are probably ahead and would prefer a disrupt spell instead this.
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« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2012, 03:37:02 am »

Against MUD, you probably would have smaller creatures than him. If your creatures are more powerful, you will win anyways.
Against MUD i do not need extra draw, my bears are enough. It has never been a tough Match Up for GW MUD.

[/quote]Against Ichorid/combo, it's too slow.[/quote] In this Match up you just need to drop the right bear in T1 and can stall the game until this card becomes useful. Post side you have specific hate.
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Against drain decks it's probably worse than other draw engines.
This is an incorrect statement. Other draw engines available to GW are either creatures such as Edric, Selkie or Ohran Viper, the only alternative is the Sylvan Library. This new card (in GW) is better than any of the prior mentioned engines apart from Sylvan maybe under some circumstances
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Against fish, it would depend on both deck configurations.
Obviously there must be some tuning done, I do not expect to plug a new card into an existing shell and work to perfection without other changes.

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If you have a creature with power greater than your opponent, you are probably ahead and would prefer a disrupt spell instead this.
Actually i disagree here once more, if you have a creature with power greater than you opponent i prefer this because with disruption what would i do ? destroy a creature with a lesser power ? not very useful. This would provide me a steady flow of cards and if i draw two of those the card drawing benefit doubles!!
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« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2012, 05:03:06 am »

cc 3, doesnt work alone. It takes 1 turn to cycle itself and provide vantage from turn 2. Not instant speed. Seems nearly playable but nothin more. As :

Hunter's Insight

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Lead the Stampede
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« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2012, 10:31:18 am »

I've been really liking Sylvan Library in my Jund deck. And it only costs two mana! I think I'd rather just play Sylvan Library than this.
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« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2012, 10:58:31 am »

Tell me your Jund decks plays destructive flow. That would make my day.
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« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2012, 11:37:55 am »

Tell me your Jund decks plays destructive flow. That would make my day.

As awesome as that would be, the deck is full of nonbasics. You can see the list -- Ryan took second with it at Nick's last tournament.
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« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2012, 01:26:29 pm »

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Against drain decks it's probably worse than other draw engines.
This is an incorrect statement. Other draw engines available to GW are either creatures such as Edric, Selkie or Ohran Viper, the only alternative is the Sylvan Library. This new card (in GW) is better than any of the prior mentioned engines apart from Sylvan maybe under some circumstances
How is this better than Edric, Selkie, or Lookout? All of those have the potential to draw multiple cards. With Edric or Selkie, scenarios where you draw three cards off a swing aren't even that farfetched. I guess this is a bit easier to cast, but my impression has been that decks running the above tend to have Heirarch anyway.
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« Reply #10 on: April 18, 2012, 06:13:13 pm »

Other draw engines available to GW are either creatures such as Edric, Selkie or Ohran Viper, the only alternative is the Sylvan Library. This new card (in GW) is better than any of the prior mentioned engines apart from Sylvan maybe under some circumstances

Other draw engines draw cards by themselves.  Wink
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« Reply #11 on: April 19, 2012, 02:58:20 pm »

Other draw engines available to GW are either creatures such as Edric, Selkie or Ohran Viper, the only alternative is the Sylvan Library. This new card (in GW) is better than any of the prior mentioned engines apart from Sylvan maybe under some circumstances

Other draw engines draw cards by themselves.  Wink
Well in fairness, the deck is entirely loaded with creatures so this should be active as a given the vast majority of the time. OTOH, being able to swing in (exalted Selkie, or say an alpha strike with Edric out) to dig up removal or protection in the face of an opposing BSC seems like another entirely plausible board state where this card is far inferior.
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« Reply #12 on: April 20, 2012, 12:13:23 am »

Doubt this will see play.  Bob and Dark Tutelage and Sylvan are all better.  And tutelage don't see play.
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« Reply #13 on: April 20, 2012, 05:49:13 am »

Well in fairness, the deck is entirely loaded with creatures so this should be active as a given the vast majority of the time. OTOH, being able to swing in (exalted Selkie, or say an alpha strike with Edric out) to dig up removal or protection in the face of an opposing BSC seems like another entirely plausible board state where this card is far inferior.

I'm not disputing that it will probably be active, but I am pointing out that it doesn't come with a body attached.  That's a consideration for aggro decks which only want to drop (self-contained) threats/disruption.
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« Reply #14 on: April 20, 2012, 09:46:48 am »

Doubt this will see play.  Bob and Dark Tutelage and Sylvan are all better.  And tutelage don't see play.
Bob is undoubtebly better. Why compare it ? Bob also requires black.

This might compare to Sylvan somehow - but Sylvan is also better.

I believe that this will not see play as well in any of the current shells.

After couple of days i would prefer Descendat's Path over this onw in GW.
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