Misthollow Griffin

[vaughnbros]

Misthollow Griffin        2UU
Creature - Griffin   Mythic Rare
Flying
You may cast Misthollow Griffin from exile.   3/3

I don't necessary think that this is going to be vintage playable, but I definitely think it is worth consideration.  

It is the best card ever to pitch to force, misdirection, and commandeer.  If it gets hit with path or swords you can still recast it.  And it has flying with a body that is big enough to trade or outright beat most creatures in the format.

[Blue Lotus]

I think this is a fantastic card from a design point of view but just not vintage playable

[Klep]

At 2UU it has to compete with Jace.

[MaximumCDawg]

The fact that it works so well with pitch counters and combos s nicely with food chain makes me suspect this card has possibilities. A bit expensive, yes, but not prohibitively priced.

[vaughnbros]

The fact that it works so well with pitch counters and combos s nicely with food chain makes me suspect this card has possibilities. A bit expensive, yes, but not prohibitively priced.

yeh infinite mana for creature spells, and infinite spells when combined with food chain seems like a very powerful combo.

At 2UU it has to compete with Jace.

there are quite a few spells that cost 4 or more in blue that still get played.

[DubDub]

As a card this makes me very happy.  Pitch counters and food chain?  Awesome, simply awesome.

However, this is design space I did not think would be explored.  I thought the Exile was being reimagined to not be 'just another graveyard'?

[Wagner]

there are quite a few spells that cost 4 or more in blue that still get played.

Really? Name one that isn't Tezz or that doens't have a way to be cast without paying.


Combo with Food Chain is hilarious, but really... doesn't do much, it's not better than Show and Tell with Emrakul and... wait.... infinite Lightning Serpent!

[msg67183]

Infinite mana. Hard cast emrakul. Time walk. Cant be countered. Seems fun.

[MaximumCDawg]

This combo has potential, if only because getting a blue creature into exile is very easy.  From there, you just need Food Chain and a finisher.  Here's some:

1) Emrakul (Already mentioned, dead card in hand otherwise though)
2) Lightning Serpent (Already mentioned, kills planeswalkers in a pinch)
3) All of the multikicker creatures, Ivy Elemental, Kraklin, Primordial Hydra, (grizzly bears otherwise; at least you can play them)
4) Manaplasm (Would be great for curve if only it cost 2...)
5) Mikeaus, the Lunarch (Slow, but has game even if you're not comboing off)

I like how your grave hate doubles as ways to get this blue dude into exile, too.

[msg67183]

If u play emrakul u can also play show and tells to make emrakuls less dead.

[Wagner]

Maga, Traitor to Mortals is another instant kill, but rubbish otherwise.

[msg67183]

Show and tell lets u put any of the combo pieces into play also.

[vaughnbros]

there are quite a few spells that cost 4 or more in blue that still get played.

Really? Name one that isn't Tezz or that doens't have a way to be cast without paying.

Gifts Ungiven is a pretty major one that you are missing.  And there are 2 tezzerets that are played at the 4 spot.  Thats 3 cards that have been competing with Jace at that slot.  Although uncommon I have also seen Fact or Fiction.  

Also in storm decks technically Empty and Tendrills are taking up a 4 slot.

Then you have Snapcaster who is a 4 drop half the time you play him, Mindbreak trap is much more often hard cast than for its alternative, as well transmute artifact usually being 4 mana.

All of this is kind of irrelevant though this is not playing the same role as jace in a deck.  Its a creature that can combo well with other cards not a card advantage engine.

[TheShop]

I thought Ancestral Recall was the best card you can pitch to Force of Will.

[Wagner]

there are quite a few spells that cost 4 or more in blue that still get played.

Really? Name one that isn't Tezz or that doens't have a way to be cast without paying.

Gifts Ungiven is a pretty major one that you are missing.  And there are 2 tezzerets that are played at the 4 spot.  Thats 3 cards that have been competing with Jace at that slot.  Although uncommon I have also seen Fact or Fiction.  

Also in storm decks technically Empty and Tendrills are taking up a 4 slot.

Then you have Snapcaster who is a 4 drop half the time you play him, Mindbreak trap is much more often hard cast than for its alternative, as well transmute artifact usually being 4 mana.

All of this is kind of irrelevant though this is not playing the same role as jace in a deck.  Its a creature that can combo well with other cards not a card advantage engine.

Bleh, I had read "that cost more than 4". Yeah, blue decks do play 4cc spells.

[Guli]

I thought Ancestral Recall was the best card you can pitch to Force of Will.

It does appeal though, the Food Chain interaction. Mana crypt/Tombs/ESG could power out an early Food Chain and can be protected by Force/Misd pithing Griffin ^_^

[Blue Lotus]

I mean its a 3 card combo, and all three cards are nearly garbage on their own. Yes you can pitch a piece to FOW and not care but come on, a 3 card combo? Not very impressive.

How is this better than argothian elder + maze of ith + emrakul? That way you at least have one card (maze) that can do something. And if you don't have emrakul, you have inf mana that can cast things that aren't creatures.

[DubDub]

Another beneficial thing whose drawback is erased by this: Chrome Mox.  That could accelerate out the Food Chain combo, or just any deck... Turbo Tezz?  Just spitballing.

[Norm4eva]

Another beneficial thing whose drawback is erased by this: Chrome Mox.  That could accelerate out the Food Chain combo, or just any deck... Turbo Tezz?  Just spitballing.

Doesn't Chrome Mox 'quit working' when the Imprinted card no longer in exile?

[Blue Lotus]

Another beneficial thing whose drawback is erased by this: Chrome Mox.  That could accelerate out the Food Chain combo, or just any deck... Turbo Tezz?  Just spitballing.

The drawback is only negated in so far as you get to cast a 3/3 flyer for four. Otherwise, you are still burning a card. Tezz has much better things to do than resolve a four mana creature, and therefore chrome mox's drawback will not be negated.

[Qasur]

I like Food Chain, Glimpe of Nature, Peter Griffin to draw deck. You can win by finding Labratory Maniac.

[vaughnbros]

Another beneficial thing whose drawback is erased by this: Chrome Mox.  That could accelerate out the Food Chain combo, or just any deck... Turbo Tezz?  Just spitballing.

Doesn't Chrome Mox 'quit working' when the Imprinted card no longer in exile?

even if so i'd imagine you already got what you need out of the mox when you are able to cast a 4 drop. I dont think turbo tezz wants this card at all though.

I don't think you really need to combo with this.  A lot of blue decks already have 4 force of will and 1 misdirection.  Now running 4 of these lets you run more misdirection, and possibly chrome mox and even commandeer since you dont have to worry about getting nailed so hard by the cards drawback.  Then you have a 4 drop flier to stick back out that owns trygons, bobs, and snapcasters.  Also how about this cards interaction with those main deck singletons of relic of progenitus? You can recur this thing whenever you want from your graveyard then.

[DubDub]

I meant to say Chrome Mox's drawback is eased, not erased.  My mistake.

Edit: And yes, once no longer imprinted the Mox would turn off.  You can use it to cast the Griffin itself though by pooling the Chrome mana and then announcing the spell.

[MaximumCDawg]

Running 4x of this might be too much, even with the Mox and FoW interactions.  Is there any reliable way to tutor a singleton Peter Griffin into the exile zone from the library while doing something else useful?  That would seem to be a very powerful play, since it gives you an extra 3/3 flier on tap for 2UU all game even if you don't combo out.  Trouble is, the only cards I know that help you exile stuff out of your own library do nothing else on their own.

Are there any cheap and effective mutual yard hosers?  Planar Void?  If you had that, you could use Bazaar to dig for Food Chain and kill, and get this into exile.

[vaughnbros]

Running 4x of this might be too much, even with the Mox and FoW interactions.  Is there any reliable way to tutor a singleton Peter Griffin into the exile zone from the library while doing something else useful?  That would seem to be a very powerful play, since it gives you an extra 3/3 flier on tap for 2UU all game even if you don't combo out.  Trouble is, the only cards I know that help you exile stuff out of your own library do nothing else on their own.

Are there any cheap and effective mutual yard hosers?  Planar Void?  If you had that, you could use Bazaar to dig for Food Chain and kill, and get this into exile.

well foresight is great with this it exiles 3 of them and then replaces itself.  or it can get rid of dead cards in your library, although that isn't really that relevant.  The other card that works well with this is demonic consultation and/or divining witch, which can go get your food chain while also hopefully exiling your griffin on the way

[Norm4eva]

I meant to say Chrome Mox's drawback is eased, not erased.  My mistake.

Edit: And yes, once no longer imprinted the Mox would turn off.  You can use it to cast the Griffin itself though by pooling the Chrome mana and then announcing the spell.

This is probably super picayune and not worth worrying about since you can just float the mana (and I feel like most people do anyway), but does timing really play a factor here?  Is a card's imprinted status checked as a SBE?  Because if it is I don't think it matters whether you float the mana or if you pay for it during announcement, before you get priority. 

Like I said, super super minor but just curious now, haha.

[Elric]

well foresight is great with this it exiles 3 of them and then replaces itself.  or it can get rid of dead cards in your library, although that isn't really that relevant.  The other card that works well with this is demonic consultation and/or divining witch, which can go get your food chain while also hopefully exiling your griffin on the way

Manipulate Fate is superior to Foresight in that it gives you a card right away. Sorcery, 1U: Search your library for three cards, exile them, then shuffle your library. Draw a card.

[Delha]

I meant to say Chrome Mox's drawback is eased, not erased.  My mistake.

Edit: And yes, once no longer imprinted the Mox would turn off.  You can use it to cast the Griffin itself though by pooling the Chrome mana and then announcing the spell.

This is probably super picayune and not worth worrying about since you can just float the mana (and I feel like most people do anyway), but does timing really play a factor here?  Is a card's imprinted status checked as a SBE?  Because if it is I don't think it matters whether you float the mana or if you pay for it during announcement, before you get priority. 

Like I said, super super minor but just curious now, haha.

It does matter.

601.2. To cast a spell is to take it from where it is (usually the hand), put it on the stack, and pay its costs, so that it will eventually resolve and have its effect. Casting a spell follows the steps listed below, in order. If, at any point during the casting of a spell, a player is unable to comply with any of the steps listed below, the casting of the spell is illegal; the game returns to the moment before that spell started to be cast (see rule 717, “Handling Illegal Actions”). Announcements and payments can’t be altered after they’ve been made.

You place the card on the stack as the first step in the process, meaning that Chrome can't produce mana when it needs to.

[Lemnear]

But I can flood mana and then decide to cast it, or not?

[evouga]

Meh. Vintage already has many two-card combos, most a lot cheaper than 4UUG. Not to mention you still need a third card to turn your infinite mana into a game win.