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Diakonov
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« on: April 24, 2012, 02:18:44 pm »

As the title indicates, I am planning on creating a cube.  I seem to be the only Vintage player in a 50 mile radius, so I'm converting my collection into a nostalgic pile that anyone can draft.  I need help figuring out what to put into it.

My two favorite formats have always been Vintage and Limited (and Legacy, to a lesser extent).  So, I would like the cube to be representative of these formats.  I plan on including famous cards of old as well as popular limited cards, and filling out the rest with whatever would be most beneficial to a fun draft pool.  When I say "fun," I don't mean Timmeh EPIC, but rather I'm looking for interesting strategic interactions.  I think this may require some weaker cards to lower the variance, but I've never made a cube before, so someone enlighten me if this perspective doesn't make sense.  The plan is for the cube to be 720 cards, if I can afford it.  I may start with only 360.

As a jumping-off point, I decided to find the intersection of the main list on CubeDrafting.com and the list that was used recently on MTGO (links go to the full cube lists).

Brace yourself:

  • White
    Ajani Goldmane
    Akroma, Angel of Wrath
    Akroma’s Vengeance
    Angelic Destiny
    Armageddon
    Balance
    Baneslayer Angel
    Blade Splicer
    Calciderm
    Cataclysm
    Cloudgoat Ranger
    Condemn
    Day of Judgment
    Decree of Justice
    Disenchant
    Eight-and-a-Half Tails
    Elite Vanguard
    Elspeth Tirel
    Elspeth, Knight-Errant
    Emeria Angel
    Enlightened Tutor
    Eternal Dragon
    Exalted Angel
    Faith’s Fetters
    Fiend Hunter
    Gideon Jura
    Gideon’s Lawkeeper
    Hallowed Burial
    Hero of Bladehold
    Honor of the Pure
    Isamaru, Hound of Konda
    Journey to Nowhere
    Land Tax
    Mana Tithe
    Martial Coup
    Mentor of the Meek
    Mirran Crusader
    Mother of Runes
    Oblivion Ring
    Paladin en-Vec
    Parallax Wave
    Path to Exile
    Porcelain Legionnaire
    Pulse of the Fields
    Reveillark
    Rout
    Savannah Lions
    Shining Shoal
    Soltari Monk
    Soltari Priest
    Spectral Procession
    Stonecloaker
    Stoneforge Mystic
    Student of Warfare
    Sun Titan
    Swords to Plowshares
    Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
    Wall of Omens
    Weathered Wayfarer
    Wrath of God
    Yosei, the Morning Star
  • Blue
    Aeon Chronicler
    Ancestral Vision
    Blue Elemental Blast
    Brainstorm
    Brine Elemental
    Capsize
    Consecrated Sphinx
    Control Magic
    Counterspell
    Cryptic Command
    Daze
    Deep Analysis
    Dismiss
    Dream Halls
    Enclave Cryptologist
    Fact or Fiction
    Forbid
    Force of Will
    Force Spike
    Frost Titan
    Future Sight
    Glen Elendra Archmage
    Impulse
    Into the Roil
    Jace Beleren
    Jace, the Mind Sculptor
    Keiga, the Tide Star
    Looter il-Kor
    Mana Leak
    Man-o-war
    Meloku the Clouded Mirror
    Miscalculation
    Mulldrifter
    Mystical Tutor
    Ninja of the Deep Hours
    Opposition
    Pact of Negation
    Palinchron
    Phantasmal Bear
    Phyrexian Metamorph
    Preordain
    Remand
    Riftwing Cloudskate
    Sea Gate Oracle
    Serendib Efreet
    Snapcaster Mage
    Sower of Temptation
    Spell Pierce
    Sphinx of Jwar Isle
    Stifle
    Ther Adept
    Thieving Magpie
    Thirst for Knowledge
    Time Warp
    Tinker
    Treachery
    Vendilion Clique
    Venser, Shaper Savant
    Waterfront Bouncer
  • Black
    Abyssal Persecutor
    Animate Dead
    Bitterblossom
    Black Knight
    Bloodghast
    Bloodgift Demon
    Bone Shredder
    Carnophage
    Consuming Vapors
    Damnation
    Dark Confidant
    Dauthi Horror
    Dauthi Marauder
    Dauthi Slayer
    Demonic Tutor
    Diabolic Servitude
    Diregraf Ghoul
    Dismember
    Doom Blade
    Duress
    Gatekeeper of Malakir
    Go for the Throat
    Grave Titan
    Graveborn Muse
    Hymn to Tourach
    Hypnotic Specter
    Innocent Blood
    Kokusho, the Evening Star
    Liliana of the Veil
    Liliana Vess
    Mesmeric Fiend
    Nantuko Shade
    Necromancy
    Nekrataal
    Nezumi Graverobber
    Nezumi Shortfang
    Oona’s Prowler
    Phyrexian Arena
    Profane Command
    Puppeteer Clique
    Reanimate
    Recurring Nightmare
    Sarcomancy
    Sheoldred, Whispering One
    Shriekmaw
    Sinkhole
    Skeletal Scrying
    Skeletal Vampire
    Skinrender
    Slaughter Pact
    Snuff Out
    Sorin Markov
    Stupor
    Thoughtseize
    Tombstalker
    Vampire Lacerator
    Vampire Nighthawk
    Vampiric Tutor
  • Red
    Akroma, Angel of Fury
    Arc Trail
    Avalanche Riders
    Ball Lightning
    Banefire
    Blood Knight
    Brimstone Volley
    Chain Lightning
    Chandra Nalaar
    Chandra, the Firebrand
    Chandra’s Phoenix
    Chaos Warp
    Char
    Devil’s Play
    Ember Hauler
    Fireblast
    Firebolt
    Flametongue Kavu
    Frenzied Goblin
    Goblin Ruinblaster
    Goblin Wardriver
    Greater Gargadon
    Grim Lavamancer
    Hell’s Thunder
    Hellspark Elemental
    Incinerate
    Inferno Titan
    Jackal Pup
    Kargan Dragonlord
    Keldon Champion
    Keldon Marauders
    Kird Ape
    Koth of the Hammer
    Lightning Bolt
    Magma Jet
    Mogg War Marshal
    Molten Rain
    Pillage
    Price of Progress
    Pyroclasm
    Red Elemental Blast
    Rolling Earthquake
    Searing Blaze
    Siege-Gang Commander
    Smash to Smithereens
    Spikeshot Elder
    Staggershock
    Stormblood Berserker
    Stromkirk Noble
    Sulfuric Vortex
    Tin Street Hooligan
    Volcanic Fallout
    Wheel of Fortune
    Zo-Zu the Punisher
  • Green
    Acidic Slime
    Arbor Elf
    Avenger of Zendikar
    Beast Within
    Birds of Paradise
    Blastoderm
    Call of the Herd
    Chameleon Colossus
    Cultivate
    Daybreak Ranger
    Deranged Hermit
    Eternal Witness
    Explore
    Fauna Shaman
    Fyndhorn Elves
    Garruk Relentless
    Garruk Wildspeaker
    Garruk, Primal Hunter
    Genesis
    Great Sable Stag
    Green Sun’s Zenith
    Harmonize
    Indrik Stomphowler
    Joraga Treespeaker
    Jungle Lion
    Kodama’s Reach
    Krosan Grip
    Lead the Stampede
    Llanowar Elves
    Lotus Cobra
    Master of the Wild Hunt
    Noble Hierarch
    Obstinate Baloth
    Ohran Viper
    Oracle of Mul Daya
    Phantom Centaur
    Plow Under
    Primal Command
    Rampant Growth
    Rancor
    Regrowth
    Rofellos, Llanowar Emissary
    Rude Awakening
    Sakura-Tribe Elder
    Survival of the Fittest
    Sylvan Library
    Tarmogoyf
    Terastodon
    Thornling
    Thrun, the Last Troll
    Tooth and Nail
    Troll Ascetic
    Vengevine
    Vines of Vastwood
    Vorapede
    Wall of Blossoms
    Wickerbough Elder
    Wild Nacatl
    Yavimaya Elder
  • Artifacts
    Aether Vial
    Ankh of Mishra
    Basilisk Collar
    Batterskull
    Black Vise
    Chrome Mox
    Coalition Relic
    Cursed Scroll
    Eldrazi Monument
    Engineered Explosives
    Etched Oracle
    Everflowing Chalicet
    Grafted Wargear
    Grim Monolith
    Isochron Scepter
    Lightning Greaves
    Lodestone Golem
    Lotus Petal
    Manriki-Gusari
    Mimic Vat
    Mindslaver
    Molten-Tail Masticore
    Mortarpod
    Mox Diamond
    Myr Battlesphere
    Nevinyrral’s Disk
    Palladium Myr
    Phyrexian Processor
    Phyrexian Revoker
    Pithing Needle
    Powder Keg
    Precursor Golem
    Prismatic Lens
    Ratchet Bomb
    Razormane Masticore
    Scroll Rack
    Sensei’s Divining Top
    Shrine of Burning Rage
    Skullclamp
    Smokestack
    Solemn Simulacrum
    Spellskite
    Sundering Titan
    Sword of Body and Mind
    Sword of Feast and Famine
    Sword of Fire and Ice
    Sword of Light and Shadow
    Sword of War and Peace
    Tangle Wire
    Tumble Magnet
    Umezawa’s Jitte
    Vedalken Shackles
    Wurmcoil Engine
  • Lands
    Academy Ruins
    Ancient Tomb
    Arid Mesa
    Badlands
    Barbarian Ring
    Bayou
    Blood Crypt
    Bloodstained Mire
    Breeding Pool
    Celestial Colonnade
    City of Traitors
    Creeping Tar Pit
    Dragonskull Summit
    Flooded Strand
    Gaea’s Cradle
    Ghitu Encampment
    Godless Shrine
    Grim Backwoods
    Hallowed Fountain
    Karakas
    Kjeldoran Outpost
    Lake of the Dead
    Lavaclaw Reaches
    Marsh Flats
    Maze of Ith
    Mishra’s Factory
    Misty Rainforest
    Mutavault
    Overgrown Tomb
    Plateau
    Polluted Delta
    Raging Ravine
    Rishadan Port
    Sacred Foundry
    Savannah
    Scalding Tarn
    Scrubland
    Shelldock Isle
    Steam Vents
    Stirring Wildwood
    Stomping Grounds
    Strip Mine
    Sunpetal Grove
    Taiga
    Tectonic Edge
    Temple Garden
    Thawing Glaciers
    Treetop Village
    Tropical Island
    Tundra
    Underground Sea
    Vault of the Archangel
    Verdant Catacombs
    Volcanic Island
    Volrath’s Stronghold
    Wasteland
    Watery Grave
    Windswept Heath
    Wooded Foothills

I am open to any advice and/or suggestions.
« Last Edit: April 24, 2012, 02:42:10 pm by Diakonov » Logged

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« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2012, 03:06:23 pm »

You're not gonna regret this. Cube is brilliant. I'd advice against taking the MTGO list and Evans' lists as the basis for your cube though. Better and frequently updated information on cubing, including plenty of lists can be found here; the best resource for cubing in my opinion:

http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/forumdisplay.php?f=349

I'd say the first things you'd have to decide is: how many drafters on average, this will guide the size of your cube. Do you want all cards in the cube to be drafted each time or only a portion? Will it be primarily multiplayer or 1-on-1?

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My cube (including pic's): http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=372460&highlight=lplaat
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« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2012, 04:47:49 pm »

Thanks for commenting.  I'm checking out the forum now.

The cube would be intended primarily for 8-player or 6-player teams (two teams of three, 1v1 best total record wins).  I would be happy if it could also function well for Winston 1v1.

Ideally, I wouldn't want it to be the same exact card pool each time we do an 8 man, although I do respect the effort that would be required to create a 720 cube.
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