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« on: January 14, 2013, 12:01:38 pm »

Talking about this with a co-worker who also happens to play.

The scenario is this, a somewhat valuable card (let's say it's not power) is misprinted in a particular fashion so as to look "less than kosher." Maybe it's faded wrong or something. Does a judge have the authority to remove the card from the sleeve to inspect it, or do they need to ask the owner to desleeve the card to inspect the card back or something (make sure it wasn't printed on black card stock). More importantly, what about the cards that are misprints and have upside-down backs, or blank backs.

We were wondering whether it was a good idea to take those cards to tournaments such as gencon.

EDIT: Sanctioned vintage tournaments. Obviously, unsanctioned would be a different story.

EDIT (again): I was focusing on card backs because we saw the harry potter backed thing in an article, but it could be any kind of misprint. The ultimate question remains - if someone stickers an imperceptibly thin paper over the card, can the judge remove the card, or ask that it be removed from the sleeve, to determine "authenticity" (even w.r.t. misprinted product).
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« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2013, 04:02:52 pm »

A good example would be trimmed collector's edition duals in a legacy tournament. I'm sure I'm come up against this in the past but figured it wasn't a play advantage.
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« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2013, 10:53:57 pm »

A good example would be trimmed collector's edition dials in a legacy tournament. I'm sure I'm come up against this in the past but figured it wasn't a play advantage.

It certainly is a play advantage.  In a sanctioned event, had that CE black lotus been discovered, it should be a DQ.  It's an advantage in that the CE black lotus, having needed to be real, would most likely have been a chrome mox or lotus petal instead due to $ cost.  That means the turn 1 lodestone that crushed your hopes and dreams off wasteland/CE lotus would have been a turn 1 thorn of amethyst, which would have enabled you to beat face with your legitimate goblins deck (since you wouldn't be sleazy enough to pass off a fraudulent trimmed CE lotus for a more powered deck) instead of getting locked out on one mountain with your double lackey and awesomeness hand.  Your sure finals victory was thwarted by that round 1 pairing against that cheater and screwed up your future pairings, pitting you against your worst match-ups, which would have been great match-ups in the 1-0 bracket instead of the 0-1 bracket.  So the REAL black lotus you would have won for championing the tourney is now replaced with a loss of entry free and no prize since you ended up 2-2 drop.  You also wouldn't have gotten mugged and donkey punched in a back alley by a gang of thugs as you were standing outside smoking a cig during round 5, had you been playing to a 5-0 path to winnertown, which was made impossible by that cheating scum of the Earth that you faced in round 1.

So yes, it is an advantage.  And cigarettes are bad  - they lead to donkey punches in a back alley.
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« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2013, 11:23:09 pm »

I suddenly feel like the only reasonable path forward in my life is turning to drugs to dull the pain of my inevitable tournament losses
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« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2013, 12:34:41 am »

I suddenly feel like the only reasonable path forward in my life is turning to drugs to dull the pain of my inevitable tournament losses
I have been there.
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« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2013, 03:19:56 pm »

The scenario is this, a somewhat valuable card (let's say it's not power) is misprinted in a particular fashion so as to look "less than kosher." Maybe it's faded wrong or something. Does a judge have the authority to remove the card from the sleeve to inspect it, or do they need to ask the owner to desleeve the card to inspect the card back or something (make sure it wasn't printed on black card stock). More importantly, what about the cards that are misprints and have upside-down backs, or blank backs.

This is really more of a legal issue as far as property.  The cards are the player's property.  A judge doesn't have the authority to do anything to those cards without the player's permission.  However, deck checks (whether random or checking a specific card for a specific purpose) are part of events.  If a player refuses to allow someone else to examine/handle their cards, they would likely not be able to participate in the event.  And if the judge concludes the player is refusing to allow his deck to be checked because he's cheating, the judge can DQ him.  So basically to complete the event you need to give the tournament staff permission to examine your cards as they see fit.  And the argument could be made that you already do so implicitly simply by participating in the event.


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We were wondering whether it was a good idea to take those cards to tournaments such as gencon.

Any time you're taking any sort of modified, misprinted, or somehow irregular cards to an event it's a good idea to have backups.  It is entirely at the head judge's discretion whether to allow a modified or misprinted card.  So if you're planning to try to use it, ask the head judge before the event and be ready in case the answer is "no." ("It's my only copy" likely won't sway the judge).
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