brianpk80
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« on: April 10, 2013, 01:11:56 pm » |
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Our favorite guild's peculiar new champion. Lavinia of the Tenth    Human Soldier Protection from Red. When Lavinia of the Tenth enters the battlefield, detain each nonland permanent your opponents control with converted mana cost 4 or less. 4/4  It seems to be an EDH bomb with abilities that undercut its playability in Vintage at that casting cost. It doesn't need Protection from Red since it has 4 toughness and no one is interested in "detain all nonland permanents except Blightsteel Colossus and the big Oath/Shop monsters that you really want to detain right now." Can create an annoying soft lock with recurring blink and obviously will bust through one of those Jace + blockers stalemates with a Cavern. May merit testing to witness it firsthand, but I suspect it's not economical enough. |
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« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2013, 01:31:10 pm » |
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This is incredibly unplayable.
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Vintage is a lovely format, it's too bad so few people can play because the supply of power is so small.
Chess really changed when they decided to stop making Queens and Bishops. I'm just glad I got my copies before the prices went crazy.
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« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2013, 01:40:47 pm » |
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This is incredibly unplayable.
Agreed. But the great eye of Stormanimagus is always watching, always vigilant. When the moment comes to celebrate on a card he will be there, worry not  . |
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« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2013, 09:10:19 pm » |
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I'm surprised to see the thread about this card.
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« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2013, 10:16:38 pm » |
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This card lacks the necessary aggressiveness of cost or ability to pass the threshold for reasonable consideration in Vintage.
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« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2013, 10:41:58 pm » |
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"Non-land" restriction kills this card. How un-fun.
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« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2013, 10:48:11 pm » |
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Terrible card for vintage.
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« Reply #7 on: April 11, 2013, 12:25:25 am » |
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I'm surprised to see the thread about this card.
Since Azorius is a prison guild and the guild leader was known to be a Human for weeks, some of us were anticipating something playable or at least comparable to Grand Arbiter Augustin IV. Instead it is a unanimous disappointment. |
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« Reply #8 on: April 11, 2013, 02:41:18 am » |
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Izzet guild master is also terrible, so little surprise (but still, a pity).
Too expensive to worth a try.
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« Reply #9 on: April 11, 2013, 07:19:46 am » |
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I thought I saw somewhere that all of the guildmasters are the featured rares of intro decks. ...Probably not going to get a Vintage playable out of them then. I guess there's still a possibility the Dimir guy does something cool, but it will probably be terrible mill. Update: The dimir guy is terrible, and as predicted deals with mill. http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=502833 |
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« Last Edit: April 11, 2013, 10:05:14 am by DubDub »
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Vintage is a lovely format, it's too bad so few people can play because the supply of power is so small.
Chess really changed when they decided to stop making Queens and Bishops. I'm just glad I got my copies before the prices went crazy.
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brianpk80
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« Reply #10 on: April 11, 2013, 04:19:03 pm » |
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I thought I saw somewhere that all of the guildmasters are the featured rares of intro decks. ...Probably not going to get a Vintage playable out of them then. I guess there's still a possibility the Dimir guy does something cool, but it will probably be terrible mill. Update: The dimir guy is terrible, and as predicted deals with mill. http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=502833Thanks for the info. Although unplayable in Vintage, at least this Lavinia makes Azorius worth considering for the Dragon's Maze prereleases. I had Bedlam in my starter in an Urza's Saga prerelease and it was the game-winning card every time without fail. |
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« Reply #11 on: April 14, 2013, 10:13:19 pm » |
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Unplayable yadda yadda.
That said, it does have some combo potential. This gal is lots of fun with:
Astral Slide
Conjurer's Closet
Deadeye Navigator
Flickerform
Mistmeadow Witch
Nephalia Smuggler
Venser, the Sojourner
None of which are playable. Stay tuned, though; this lady is one repeatable, instant speed, otherwise useful flicker effect away from a lock piece. More powerful than Clique in that regard.
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« Reply #12 on: April 18, 2013, 02:25:32 am » |
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I can see a tier 3 rogue soldier deck with Preeminent Captain + this + Karakas. We're almost reaching a critical point for soldiers imo.
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« Reply #13 on: April 18, 2013, 08:28:53 am » |
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Unplayable yadda yadda.
That said, it does have some combo potential. This gal is lots of fun with:
Astral Slide
Conjurer's Closet
Deadeye Navigator
Flickerform
Mistmeadow Witch
Nephalia Smuggler
Venser, the Sojourner
None of which are playable. Stay tuned, though; this lady is one repeatable, instant speed, otherwise useful flicker effect away from a lock piece. More powerful than Clique in that regard.
"Lock"? What are you locking them out of? It says "non-land", so... they can still cast spells that would kill her, or kill you. "Locking me out" of my Sol Ring and my Jace is all well and good, but I can still kill you with Gush/Oath/etc. |
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Vintage is a lovely format, it's too bad so few people can play because the supply of power is so small.
Chess really changed when they decided to stop making Queens and Bishops. I'm just glad I got my copies before the prices went crazy.
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« Reply #14 on: April 18, 2013, 12:12:30 pm » |
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I can see a tier 3 rogue soldier deck with Preeminent Captain + this + Karakas. We're almost reaching a critical point for soldiers imo.
More so in Legacy than in Vintage. I've been playing a Soldier Stompy deck (Ancient Tombs, City of Traitors, Chalice of the Void, Preeminent Captain+Thalia+Enlistment Officer) for a while now, and this has potential in a UW build. |
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« Reply #15 on: April 18, 2013, 12:25:20 pm » |
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All I know is my panoptic mirror + flicker + Lavinia combo is going to PWN you all.
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brianpk80
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« Reply #16 on: April 18, 2013, 12:47:14 pm » |
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"Lock"? What are you locking them out of? It says "non-land", so... they can still cast spells that would kill her, or kill you. "Locking me out" of my Sol Ring and my Jace is all well and good, but I can still kill you with Gush/Oath/etc.
I think he meant it was a soft-lock, not a hard-lock. If she could detain lands and all permanents regardless of casting cost, she might merit a slot somewhere but the current restrictions and casting cost are disappointing. |
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« Reply #17 on: April 18, 2013, 12:59:40 pm » |
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"Lock"? What are you locking them out of? It says "non-land", so... they can still cast spells that would kill her, or kill you. "Locking me out" of my Sol Ring and my Jace is all well and good, but I can still kill you with Gush/Oath/etc.
I think he meant it was a soft-lock, not a hard-lock. If she could detain lands and all permanents regardless of casting cost, she might merit a slot somewhere but the current restrictions and casting cost are disappointing. Yeah, it's a lock of sorts. My initial reaction to this card (fourth post here) was to lament the fact it doesn't affect lands. Even without affecting lands, though, if you had some bizarre way to get this into play and repeatedly flash it, shutting off everything but lands is actually a pretty strong effect. Like, imagine they got drunk one day and printed this: "Search your library for a creature and exile it. At the beginning of each upkeep, return that creature to the battlefield, then exile it again." |
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« Reply #18 on: April 18, 2013, 02:39:30 pm » |
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So, a 4/4 with very-nearly-a-Time-Walk attached. Unplayable at 5, as this is a strong tempo play that you want to consistently take advantage of on turn 3. If she were 2/1 for 1UW or even like UUW I'd take a second glance; as it is, Sorry, but no.
Only possibility is if someone can make a deck that blinks her every turn work. Quad Laser Venser? Turbo-Cloudshift? Unlikely, but that's the only thing I can see.
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