Question on Tangle Wire and Smokestack

[marilyn_manson]

Say I control both tangle wire and smoke stack (soot counter >1)

Am I right that I can choose: to tap then sac (My turn), or sac then tap (on opponent's turn).

Whereas if say I control wire and my opponent control smokestack. Non Active player ability will resolve 1st (meaning at my turn, I have to sac then Tap)?

Thanks for the help.

[KIP_NZ]

Say I control both tangle wire and smoke stack (soot counter >1)

Am I right that I can choose: to tap then sac (My turn), or sac then tap (on opponent's turn).

Whereas if say I control wire and my opponent control smokestack. Non Active player ability will resolve 1st (meaning at my turn, I have to sac then Tap)?

Thanks for the help.

1) Yes
2) Yes

The Workshop player's mantra is (to quote CHAIN5):
Counter, Sac, Tap, Fade
(this is the order you put them on the stack)

[nedleeds]

I'm not creating a new topic because it's the same rule, however the context is slightly different.

My opponent controls Tangle Wire with some number of counters. I control Dark Confidant. I go to my turn, stare blankly at my opponent with a lack of emotion and point at my Confidant and say "Resolve Confidant trigger?". My opponent says, "Yes.". I reveal the card.

Can they make me back up and resolve their Tangle Wire? This has happened a few times in various forms before and since the trigger policy changes.

Or in the above post, example #2, if I point at Tangle Wire and say "resolve Tangle Wire trigger?" and get a yes.

[WhiteLotus]

As Active player your triggers go on the stack first then the Non-active player ones go on the stack, since the stack resolves the most recent trigger/spell first the non active player triggers resolve first. So you have to tap your permanents to tangle wire before seeing the card with your bob.

[Varal]

At least at competitive REL, it will be considered missed triggers unless the opponent otherwise acknowledged his triggers.

Other cards with frequent upkeep triggers are Delver of Secrets, Mana Crypt and Oath of Druids.

According to the Magic rules WhiteLotus is right but that's not what the Tournament Rules say.

[bactgudz]

I'm not creating a new topic because it's the same rule, however the context is slightly different.

My opponent controls Tangle Wire with some number of counters. I control Dark Confidant. I go to my turn, stare blankly at my opponent with a lack of emotion and point at my Confidant and say "Resolve Confidant trigger?". My opponent says, "Yes.". I reveal the card.

Can they make me back up and resolve their Tangle Wire? This has happened a few times in various forms before and since the trigger policy changes.

Or in the above post, example #2, if I point at Tangle Wire and say "resolve Tangle Wire trigger?" and get a yes.

Doing exactly what you said sounds fine and I think most judges would call it a missed wire trigger.  However if If you point to bob and say "trigger bob" rather than "resolve bob" (or don't say anything at all)  and then proceed to flip a card when your opponent says "yes" I think things are a bit murky and a judge may make you back up if your opponent addresses the wire on the card flip and simply says he thought you were just putting the trigger on the stack.

Or if you are one of those people (with no bob in play) who just says "upkeep" waits half a second and then tries to draw a card to get a missed wire trigger, that is not ok either.  By explicitly stating "resolve bob" or "move to draw step" and getting the opponent to agree to a specific game state after the wire should have resolved I think you are in the clear.  But doing it just on timing alone is not ok since no priority passes have been explicitly communicated and there is ambiguity in the game state.

[nedleeds]

As Active player your triggers go on the stack first then the Non-active player ones go on the stack, since the stack resolves the most recent trigger/spell first the non active player triggers resolve first. So you have to tap your permanents to tangle wire before seeing the card with your bob.

I'm not responsible for your triggers.

[Chubby Rain]

"Triggered abilities are considered to be forgotten by their controller once they have taken an action past the point
where the triggered ability would have an observable impact on the game. Triggered abilities that are forgotten are
not considered to have gone onto the stack." From the MTG: Tournament Rules

I'm not sure if resolving a Dark Confidant trigger affects this or if it would fall under "out-of-order sequencing". That introduces it's own issue as "an out-of-order sequence must not result in a player prematurely gaining information which could reasonably affect decisions made later in that sequence", where revealing a card with Dark Confidant could definitely influence the choice of which permanents to tap. Hopefully, Clariax can chime in.

[nedleeds]

Right. Let's also say I revealed Stifle. If the ruling is to allow out of order sequencing can I use the Stifle?