1st Place with Dack Control at Comic Book Depot Mox Pearl Tournament

[Bibendum]

Sure there were no deck lists but i should have the 75 memorized at this point:

4 Scalding Tarn
1 Polluted Delta
1 Misty Rainforest
3 Underground Sea
3 Volcanic Island
1 Tolarian Academy
1 Strip Mine
1 Island
4 Mox (cant remember if I cut Pearl or Emerald)
1 Lotus
1 Sol Ring
1 Mana Crypt
1 Top
1 Time Vault
1 Key
1 Nihil Spellbomb
2 Goblin Welder
2 Baleful Strix
2 Snapcaster Mage
1 Myr Battlesphere
2 Dack Fayden
1 Tezzeret, The Seeker
4 Force of Will
2 Lightning Bolt
2 Thoughtseize
2 Mana Drain
2 Mental Misstep
1 Recall
1 Time Walk
1 Tinker
1 Brainstorm
1 Yawgmoth's Will
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Hurkyls Recall
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Thirst for Knowledge
1 Gifts Ungiven
1 KERANOS, GOD OF STORMS

4 Grafdiggers Cage
3 Ingot Chewer
1 Crucible of worlds
1 Nihil Spellbomb
2 Toxic Deluge
1 Flusterstorm
1 Misdirection
1 Sower of Temptation
1 Engineered Explosives


Ill probably do a write up in the blue area about both days my choices on cards and stuff. I went 4-3 yesterday but had a round 6 win and in that came down to the last possible sequence of events. Yes Keranos, God of Storms is real, he was freaking amazing, No I don't miss Jace. The difference between yesterday and today was no spellbomb in the main, all 5 mox, only 3 cages in the board, no Sower/EE or Misdirection, instead 2 Engineered Plagues and 1 Izzet Staticcaster which also did work all day yesterday.

Quick edit: Without me going through my notes, I won Round 1 Vs Bomberman. Lost Round two Vs Martello with Roland Chang at the helm. Won round three vs BuG control. Beat Goblins round 4 ( a good friend of mine was paired up to me, offered to scoop but we still played it out). Round 5 ID with Justin Kohler ( We played 3 I think i got it 2-1 with Welder being the MVP). Top 8: I played against Esper Tezz round 1 (when I do a full write up ill talk about this, most insane game of magic I have ever played) Top 4 I got to redeem my one loss on the day to Roland Chang. In the finals I played Mike R. on Oath and that was the day.

[Phele]

Sure there were no deck lists but i should have the 75 memorized at this point:

4 Scalding Tarn
1 Polluted Delta
1 Misty Rainforest
3 Underground Sea
3 Tropical Island
1 Tolarian Academy
1 Strip Mine
1 Island
4 Mox (cant remember if I cut Pearl or Emerald)
1 Lotus
1 Sol Ring
1 Mana Crypt
1 Top
1 Time Vault
1 Key
1 Nihil Spellbomb
2 Goblin Welder
2 Baleful Strix
2 Snapcaster Mage
1 Myr Battlesphere
2 Dack Fayden
1 Tezzeret, The Seeker
4 Force of Will
2 Lightning Bolt
2 Thoughtseize
2 Mana Drain
2 Mental Misstep
1 Recall
1 Time Walk
1 Tinker
1 Brainstorm
1 Yawgmoth's Will
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Hurkyls Recall
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Thirst for Knowledge
1 Gifts Ungiven
1 KERANOS, GOD OF STORMS

4 Grafdiggers Cage
3 Ingot Chewer
1 Crucible of worlds
1 Nihil Spellbomb
2 Toxic Deluge
1 Flusterstorm
1 Misdirection
1 Sower of Temptation
1 Engineered Explosives

Congratulations and thanks for providing the list. It seems to work as in other Welder/Strix lists, but what I always ask myself while seeing those builds is how you manage your manabase when facing mana denial strategies? 15 lands, 14 of them providing colored mana, 22 mana sources overall, just one basic, not too many spells which help digging early on: And that all in a deck with lots of double colored spells. Maybe you can help me out with some extra information how handle mana denial strategies.

[Bibendum]

Congratulations and thanks for providing the list. It seems to work as in other Welder/Strix lists, but what I always ask myself while seeing those builds is how you manage your manabase when facing mana denial strategies? 15 lands, 14 of them providing colored mana, 22 mana sources overall, just one basic, not too many spells which help digging early on: And that all in a deck with lots of double colored spells. Maybe you can help me out with some extra information how handle mana denial strategies.

The Strip mine was Library up until this week. It just came down to once I replaced Jace I found that I never had 7 cards in hand but what that means is since its inception it had the singleton off color land. Yesterday I got really greedy with the mana base because I knew I could. There were very few wastes in the room so I took advantage of that. If I were to bring this into an unknown field there would be a Mountain somewhere in the 75 with 23-24 sources in the main depending on how much of Mishra I expected to see. The strip mine was clutch all day.

[Vennie]

Sure there were no deck lists but i should have the 75 memorized at this point:

4 Scalding Tarn
1 Polluted Delta
1 Misty Rainforest
3 Underground Sea
3 Tropical Island
1 Tolarian Academy
1 Strip Mine
1 Island
4 Mox (cant remember if I cut Pearl or Emerald)
1 Lotus
1 Sol Ring
1 Mana Crypt
1 Top
1 Time Vault
1 Key
1 Nihil Spellbomb
2 Goblin Welder
2 Baleful Strix
2 Snapcaster Mage
1 Myr Battlesphere
2 Dack Fayden
1 Tezzeret, The Seeker
4 Force of Will
2 Lightning Bolt
2 Thoughtseize
2 Mana Drain
2 Mental Misstep
1 Recall
1 Time Walk
1 Tinker
1 Brainstorm
1 Yawgmoth's Will
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Hurkyls Recall
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Thirst for Knowledge
1 Gifts Ungiven
1 KERANOS, GOD OF STORMS

4 Grafdiggers Cage
3 Ingot Chewer
1 Crucible of worlds
1 Nihil Spellbomb
2 Toxic Deluge
1 Flusterstorm
1 Misdirection
1 Sower of Temptation
1 Engineered Explosives


Ill probably do a write up in the blue area about both days my choices on cards and stuff. I went 4-3 yesterday but had a round 6 win and in that came down to the last possible sequence of events. Yes Keranos, God of Storms is real, he was freaking amazing, No I don't miss Jace. The difference between yesterday and today was no spellbomb in the main, all 5 mox, only 3 cages in the board, no Sower/EE or Misdirection, instead 2 Engineered Plagues and 1 Izzet Staticcaster which also did work all day yesterday.

Quick edit: Without me going through my notes, I won Round 1 Vs Bomberman. Lost Round two Vs Martello with Roland Chang at the helm. Won round three vs BuG control. Beat Goblins round 4 ( a good friend of mine was paired up to me, offered to scoop but we still played it out). Round 5 ID with Justin Kohler ( We played 3 I think i got it 2-1 with Welder being the MVP). Top 8: I played against Esper Tezz round 1 (when I do a full write up ill talk about this, most insane game of magic I have ever played) Top 4 I got to redeem my one loss on the day to Roland Chang. In the finals I played Mike R. on Oath and that was the day.

I take the tropicals are actually volcanics right?

[Eastman]

He mentioned in the other thread that that's right. 

Thanks for posting the list, looks interesting and generally powerful, I might try it out.

[Prospero]

Congrats on the win, JP!

[rpf5029]

Congrats on the win and nice list!  I see that you took down Oath in the finals -- are you comfortable with that match-up for this deck?

[Bibendum]

I don't particularly love the oath match up in grixis since I don't get access to true enchantment hate. I will say thoughtsieze was a MVP in the oath match up but I think the decks two biggest predators are combo and Oath. I think if my opponent had a stronger opener game 1 I am a 60-40 dog and post board it comes down to protecting cages. The win con post board becomes vault key into Tezz ultimate in most cases. If I was suspecting heavy oath sower and something else get cut for 2 gargadon

[TakeYourTime]

Yes Keranos, God of Storms is real, he was freaking amazing...

I 100% agree! I ran Keranos during the main event in a blue/red control shell. He basically feels like an impossible to kill planeswalker when he lands. I'm happy to see that others are finding positive results with the card.


Here is the list that I ran:

3 Trinket Mage
2 Goblin Welder

1 Keranos, God of Storms
1 Myr Battlesphere
3 Jace, the Mind Sculptor

2 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Engineered Explosives
1 Grafdigger's Cage

3 Lightning Bolt

4 Force of Will
3 Mental Misstep
3 Mana Drain
2 Spell Snare
2 Izzet Charm
1 Mindbreak Trap

1 Ancestral Recall
1 Time Walk
1 Thirst for Knowledge

1 Crucible of Worlds

1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Ruby
1 Sol Ring
1 Mana Crypt
1 Lotus Petal
1 Library of Alexandria
1 Academy Ruins
1 Strip Mine
1 Wasteland
1 Barbarian Ring
3 Volcanic Island
3 Island
1 Mountain
4 Scalding Tarn
1 Flooded Strand
1 Misty Rainforest

Side:
1 Crash (surprisingly a very good card against time vault decks)
3 Ingot Chewer
1 Viashino Heretic
3 Grafdigger's Cage
1 Tormod's Crypt
2 Red Elemental Blast
1 Pyroclasm
1 Izzet Staticaster
1 Mindbreak Trap
1 Pithing Needle


p.s. Congrats on your win!

[ErtaiAdept]

I can attest to the savagery of the strip mine...as it destroyed me both games we played.  Well that or having my blightsteel stolen by dack.

[gkraigher]

Why is keranos in the main deck?  I could see it from the sideboard. 

[Bibendum]

Keranos was card #60 and it ended up coming in over FoF. Keranos dodges thorns and Thalia's and is easily drained into. He can't be dealt with once resolved in the current format as I will never have him active. I felt half the day I'd see dorks, I was right, bolts over and over are really solid in a field of dudes.

[KanaKaishou]

Keranos was card #60 and it ended up coming in over FoF. Keranos dodges thorns and Thalia's and is easily drained into. He can't be dealt with once resolved in the current format as I will never have him active. I felt half the day I'd see dorks, I was right, bolts over and over are really solid in a field of dudes.

Council's Judgement, coming to save the day!

[Bibendum]

Keranos was card #60 and it ended up coming in over FoF. Keranos dodges thorns and Thalia's and is easily drained into. He can't be dealt with once resolved in the current format as I will never have him active. I felt half the day I'd see dorks, I was right, bolts over and over are really solid in a field of dudes.

Council's Judgement, coming to save the day!

Yea that was literally the only out I could think of that was in the room at the time. I don't remember any Deglamer or Revoke Existence floating around. I can't describe to you how good it felt playing him early against Goblins in the 20 man event. In the 92 man event I had him online VS RUG Delver and I remember a point that I flipped bolt, Bolted a Goyf with his active and then the bolt and the game was pretty much over at that point.

[JarofFortune]

Keranos was card #60 and it ended up coming in over FoF. Keranos dodges thorns and Thalia's and is easily drained into. He can't be dealt with once resolved in the current format as I will never have him active. I felt half the day I'd see dorks, I was right, bolts over and over are really solid in a field of dudes.

Council's Judgement, coming to save the day!

Yea that was literally the only out I could think of that was in the room at the time. I don't remember any Deglamer or Revoke Existence floating around. I can't describe to you how good it felt playing him early against Goblins in the 20 man event. In the 92 man event I had him online VS RUG Delver and I remember a point that I flipped bolt, Bolted a Goyf with his active and then the bolt and the game was pretty much over at that point.

That was against me. For all of you skeptics out there, in game one Dack was insane for him. I had a fine draw, but the card selection from Dack completely destroyed me. My notes from this match were very vague and sparse, but I believe that towards the end of the game you beat me in a critical counter war(I wonder why that is ). Keeping in mind that I was playing a deck that was running a bunch of cantrips and gushes, I can only imagine how good it would be vs oath if they don't go broken early on.  If i recall correctly, you also had a strix, so even sticking a creature would not have done the job at that point. I believe that game 2 was the only game in the tournament where I got flooded on lands, so I was all in on that goyf. Even if you had no pressure, Keranos gives nearly as much Card quality as Dack, and would have done me in sooner or later (This is also discounting the fact that Keranos is his own clock).

[Bibendum]

Keranos was card #60 and it ended up coming in over FoF. Keranos dodges thorns and Thalia's and is easily drained into. He can't be dealt with once resolved in the current format as I will never have him active. I felt half the day I'd see dorks, I was right, bolts over and over are really solid in a field of dudes.

Council's Judgement, coming to save the day!

Yea that was literally the only out I could think of that was in the room at the time. I don't remember any Deglamer or Revoke Existence floating around. I can't describe to you how good it felt playing him early against Goblins in the 20 man event. In the 92 man event I had him online VS RUG Delver and I remember a point that I flipped bolt, Bolted a Goyf with his active and then the bolt and the game was pretty much over at that point.

That was against me. For all of you skeptics out there, in game one Dack was insane for him. I had a fine draw, but the card selection from Dack completely destroyed me. My notes from this match were very vague and sparse, but I believe that towards the end of the game you beat me in a critical counter war(I wonder why that is ). Keeping in mind that I was playing a deck that was running a bunch of cantrips and gushes, I can only imagine how good it would be vs oath if they don't go broken early on.  If i recall correctly, you also had a strix, so even sticking a creature would not have done the job at that point. I believe that game 2 was the only game in the tournament where I got flooded on lands, so I was all in on that goyf. Even if you had no pressure, Keranos gives nearly as much Card quality as Dack, and would have done me in sooner or later (This is also discounting the fact that Keranos is his own clock).

Yea I went to look at my notes of that match and they are non-existent lol. I think Keranos also compliments Dack way better then Jace or something else in that slot.

[Changster]

Props on winning this tournament, JP!  I'm slightly jealous that you get to turn Welders sideways 

[Bibendum]

Thanks Roland. After the worst keep of my life in the swiss against you, I am glad we got to play some games. As for turning welder sideways, there is always more room on the light side when you want to cross over. We're quite accepting over here 

[MoonDark]

Hey there,

Congrats on your finish. I was wondering how would you orient the deck to face a more European metagame? (full of Workshops)

Cheers!

[ramrodjon]

Congrats, JP!

[Bibendum]

Hey there,

Congrats on your finish. I was wondering how would you orient the deck to face a more European metagame? (full of Workshops)

Cheers!

Ok first off, this deck has amazing game vs shops. Welders, bolts, Strix and Dack pre board are great in that MU. If I am playing against shops my mana base becomes

4 Tarn
1 Misty
1 Delta
3 Sea
3 Volc
1 Island
1 Mountain
4 Mox
1 Sol
1 Crypt
1 Vault
1 Lotus
1 Academy
1 Strip Mine

I got greedy with my mana base knowing there were only a few shops in the room. This addition of vault and another basic is huge. Outside of that, I don't change much in the main, the Spellbomb became the basic and I think I'd cut gifts for the Vault. Gifts just becomes a nightmare to cast in sphere land, though Keranos can be superfluous, I just like that he dodges thorns. The board is straight forward. 3 Chewer 1 Crucible and in my current version I have 2 Mindbreak Traps which would come in on the draw. If welder goes unchecked you pretty much can't lose. Post board It becomes much easier with chewers on top of bolts and the Welder/Strix package really shines. Dack is just the icing on the cake. They can't cast a forgemaster into Dack which means landing him early is massive. His -2 is huge because in a lot of cases it ends up protecting himself. -2 take a dude to chump ect. The miser strip mine can't ever be relied on but I will say when I did hit it i loved it over library.

Shops has a very hard time fighting Strix as it dodges 8 of there sphere effects and trades with any of there dudes. It's generally the MVP of this MU.

[Bibendum]

Any reason this got moved back out of the Blue deck forum and into the reports section? There is no report its just a discussion about a deck. The title was just made when we were hijacking the NYSE thread.