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« on: June 27, 2014, 10:21:32 pm » |
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Chief Engineer 1U Creature - Vedalken Artificer Artifact spells you cast have convoke. 1/3  I would love to think this could be broken open. One of the better interactions I can see with this card is that it can help you chain Myr Battle spheres. Maybe a blue based affinity or shops list that runs forces, this guy, tinker, etc. |
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« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2014, 11:35:22 pm » |
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So this guy lets my artifact mana get around null rod for other artifacts. for colorless anyways. so colored artifacts can reduce the color cost of same color artifacts as well if i am reading this correctly as well? could be interestin with the phyrexian mana artifacts. i think being able to tap cages or revokers or spheres or even my own null rod to essentially add mana is interestin at the least.
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« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2014, 11:41:37 pm » |
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So I came here to post about this here and I think it's actually a very legit card, even if it's a little nitch.
Here's something to think about, cards like Genesis Chamber are playable, as seen in Affinity Shops, and this card works really well with it since it can basically generate 2 mana the turn it comes into play assuming you have a Genesis Chamber in play. Additionally something like Myr Battlesphere does just generate 5 mana when it comes into play, which isn't bad either.
This card has a lot of potential, and it's a lot better than Grand Architect since it doesn't have to pay U to make creatures tap for mana, along with having a much softer casting cost and a body that can block a lot of creatures in the current meta.
Edit: In a lot of ways this is like Etherium Sculptor but it should generally be stronger, and from what I remember that card did see some play early on. They could also work reasonably well in conjunction with one another, since they provide you with a redundancy of effects in some cases.
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« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2014, 11:54:52 pm » |
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I can play this and Null Rod no problem? Whoot! Assuming Convoke isn't nerfed by Null Rod. Maybe Shops CAN play Force of Will finally.  |
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« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2014, 01:42:35 am » |
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So this guy lets my artifact mana get around null rod for other artifacts. for colorless anyways. so colored artifacts can reduce the color cost of same color artifacts as well if i am reading this correctly as well? could be interestin with the phyrexian mana artifacts. i think being able to tap cages or revokers or spheres or even my own null rod to essentially add mana is interestin at the least.
This does not allow you to dodge Null Rod in any significant way. This only allows you to tap creatures to cast artifacts. You can't convoke with cages or spheres. |
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« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2014, 02:23:42 am » |
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Wait, are you guys getting excited by a 1/3 for 2 mana that says "creatures you control have TAP: add 1 to your mana pool. Spend this only on artifact spells"?
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« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2014, 04:55:49 am » |
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yeah,some players in this thread read this wrongly.This card is only for Affinities,which is pretty unpopular archtype in vintage.
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« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2014, 08:15:40 am » |
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Etherium Sculptor already exists and does much the same thing in the decks your talking about.
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« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2014, 09:33:24 am » |
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Etherium sculptor is > chief engineer because multiples make spells cheaper. Multiples of this card only tap for 1 more colorless mana.
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« Reply #9 on: June 28, 2014, 09:40:43 am » |
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I imagine this could work with Sculptor as opposed to against it. Maybe there is a velkaden deck were not seeing?
4 Etherium sculptor
4 Chief Engineer
4 Grand architect
4 My battlesphere
4 Force of will
1 Ancestral
1 Timewalk
1 Thirst for knowledge
1 Tinker
Etc...
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« Reply #10 on: June 28, 2014, 09:45:23 am » |
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Etherium sculptor is > chief engineer because multiples make spells cheaper. Multiples of this card only tap for 1 more colorless mana.
That's rather simplistic. Chief Engineer is better at casting more expensive artifacts like Myr Battlesphere, Wurmcoil Engine, and Blightsteel Colossus, whereas Etherium Sculptor is better at casting multiple cheaper artifacts. Which one is better depends on context, not to mention they are synergistic to a certain degree. I'll throw down the gauntlet right now and say I will top 8 a tournament with this card. |
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« Reply #11 on: June 28, 2014, 10:22:32 am » |
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I was going by what the card said. it says artifact spells i did not realize convoke was only for creatures. still there are a plethora of blue artifact creatures allowing you to run almost zero blue sources and still cast them due to phyrexian mana.
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« Reply #12 on: June 28, 2014, 12:53:59 pm » |
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The blue based mud deck has been out there, who knows i hope you guys are right because I would love to play force of will and workshop in the same deck.
Maybe even include some skullclamps in there too. And don't forget about phyrexian revoker, best artifact creature out there after lodestone. And tangle wire, you have to play 4 wires.
I think the base is more like:
4 phyrexian revoker
4 lodestone golem
4 myr battle sphere
4 Etherium sculptor
2-4 chief engineer
3-4 skullclamp
4 tangle wire
4 force of will
Ancestral recall
Time walk
Tinker
4 mishra's workshop
Id say forget about thirst for knowledge. You basically have a decision if you want to go the skullclamp route or the grand architect/master of etherium route. But you could switch between the two post sideboard.
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« Reply #13 on: June 28, 2014, 01:41:45 pm » |
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The probrem is that chief himself isn't artifact.How unfortunate!
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« Reply #14 on: June 28, 2014, 07:19:55 pm » |
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You know who hasen't seen much play who I think is ripe to hit the table is Master of etherium. In this style deck we are talking about hes basically a tarmogoyf with upside. I think once this set comes out it may be time to start brewing cause I have seen quite a few interesting things so far out of a relatively small selection of cards.
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« Reply #15 on: June 28, 2014, 07:21:55 pm » |
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Cavern Of Souls fits very nicely into a deck with:
This guy
Goblin Welder
Grand Architect
Etherium Sculptor
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« Reply #16 on: June 28, 2014, 07:41:18 pm » |
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for the cavern of souls/artificer conversation, don't forget stoneforge mystic is also one of these guys.
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« Reply #17 on: June 28, 2014, 07:41:27 pm » |
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Cavern Of Souls fits very nicely into a deck with:
This guy
Goblin Welder
Grand Architect
Etherium Sculptor
Just sayin.'
Stoneforge Mystic is an Artificer also and can get Batterskull which works well with all the cards you listed. |
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« Reply #18 on: June 28, 2014, 08:56:00 pm » |
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as long as we're dreaming about Cavern of Artificers ... Skill Borrower ... floating Time Vault with a Top out.
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« Reply #19 on: June 28, 2014, 09:10:29 pm » |
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So this guy lets my artifact mana get around null rod for other artifacts. for colorless anyways. so colored artifacts can reduce the color cost of same color artifacts as well if i am reading this correctly as well? could be interestin with the phyrexian mana artifacts. i think being able to tap cages or revokers or spheres or even my own null rod to essentially add mana is interestin at the least.
This does not allow you to dodge Null Rod in any significant way. This only allows you to tap creatures to cast artifacts. You can't convoke with cages or spheres. Got it, thanks! |
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« Reply #20 on: June 29, 2014, 11:52:37 am » |
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Wow, it's like this guy was printed specifically for my Blue Shop Aggro deck ( http://www.themanadrain.com/index.php?topic=45216.0). Amazing. I don't know if he solves the "overwhelming artifact hate" problem that deck runs into, but he certainly will turbo-charge it even more. |
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« Reply #21 on: June 29, 2014, 03:11:58 pm » |
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The only plus I see this guy having is he's immune to artifact hate.
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