First Vintage Premier Event MTGO

[ulysses_s_grant]

They recently upgraded their site, sometimes some of the decklists don't come through - I believe it's already been reported. This was the top list

1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Bayou
2 Flooded Strand
1 Island
1 Plains
3 Polluted Delta
1 Strip Mine
1 Swamp
1 Tropical Island
2 Tundra
3 Underground sea
1 Wasteland
3 Sword to Plowshares
2 Mental Misstep
1 Ancestral Recal
1 Brainstorm
1 Fulsterstorm
2 Spell pierce
1 Steel Sabotage
1 Vampiric Tutor
4 Deathrite Shaman
1 Sol Ring
2 Stoneforge Mystic
1 Hurkyl's Recall
2 Snapcaster Mage
1 Time Walk
4 Dark Confidant
1 Demonic Tutor
2 Trygon Predator
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
2 Jace the Mind Sculptor
4 Force of Will
1 Batterskull

SB:
1 Path to Exile
1 Swords to Plowshares
1 Flusterstorm
3 Thoughtseize
2 Grafdigger's Cage
3 Rest in Peace
1 Hurkyl's Recall
1 Umezawa's Jitte
2 Energy Flux

[dangerlinto]

Thanks for the link Steve.

For some reason, I can't see the first decklist posted on the Wizards results page! It happens nearly all the time. Why is that? Do others have the same problem?
Luckily the winning list is in the first post.

I've sent several notes about this.  So I've taken to twitter embarrassment.    Seems to work some of the time.

[Kowal]

I've seen some of the lists go missing too.  I suspect that when people rename their deck files or delete them to rebuild from scratch, the client isn't able to continue pulling the list for its archives. 

And Phele, to answer your question:  I'm not a fan of Inuition/AK for a number of reasons, but the most basic one is this:  From the first casting, Night's Whisper is ahead.  From the second casting, Night's Whisper is ahead.  From the third casting, Night's Whisper and AK are tied.  If you're casting all four, you're not doing it because you need to, you're doing it because you already won and you're rubbing it in.  Certainly adding a vulnerability to grave hate is part of the equation, and the fact that Intuition is pretty bad without a Welder in play (in which case you're not getting AK anyway) but truthfully it's mostly just that Night's Whisper outpaces AK until the game's already in hand.

I like to think of a turn one Night's Whisper as taking a mulligan that increases your hand size instead of decreasing it.  It's also a saucy raw topdeck.

[Grand Inquisitor]

I'm not a fan of Inuition/AK for a number of reasons

Ben, aren't you forgetting that AK pitches to FoW?  Your dislike comes more from past trauma than any rational grounding, I suspect.

[zeus-online]

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[Shock Wave]

I've seen some of the lists go missing too.  I suspect that when people rename their deck files or delete them to rebuild from scratch, the client isn't able to continue pulling the list for its archives.  

And Phele, to answer your question:  I'm not a fan of Inuition/AK for a number of reasons, but the most basic one is this:  From the first casting, Night's Whisper is ahead.  From the second casting, Night's Whisper is ahead.  From the third casting, Night's Whisper and AK are tied.  If you're casting all four, you're not doing it because you need to, you're doing it because you already won and you're rubbing it in.  Certainly adding a vulnerability to grave hate is part of the equation, and the fact that Intuition is pretty bad without a Welder in play (in which case you're not getting AK anyway) but truthfully it's mostly just that Night's Whisper outpaces AK until the game's already in hand.

I like to think of a turn one Night's Whisper as taking a mulligan that increases your hand size instead of decreasing it.  It's also a saucy raw topdeck.

The benefits of the AK package seemed to be outweighed by the drawbacks. The most significant (and obvious) drawback is that that AK package requires at least 5 slots, whereas Night's Whisper requires only 3-4. That seems pretty huge to me.

[Kowal]

Rich got a pretty good chunk of what I was going to say.  As to Jace, it's hard to find room for more 4cc spells in the list.  I experimented with Jace, Notion Thief, and another FoF as another 4cc slot and I disliked all of them because I kept getting hands flooded with no early game.  Of the three, Notion Thief was the most interesting but generally win-more and not worth keeping.  I don't think running a one-of Jace would be bad, but I haven't enjoyed him in the list.  I will freely admit that in the premiere and the last half dozen dailies or so I've run with the list, my only losses were a match to Dredge in which I misplayed game three, a match to shops in which they won the die roll and had amazing hands, and all the rest were to resolved Jace on the other side of the table.  He's the primary reason for the maindeck Spell Pierce (which used to be Flusterstorm) and the sideboard REBs.  I've had people argue in favor of including Bolt in the maindeck and I don't necessarily think that's bad, but my experience with it was that I frequently wished it was a different card.

[Coopes]

What does AK stand for?

[Zherbus]

[Coopes]

Thanks Zherbus 

[dangerlinto]

 Of the three, Notion Thief was the most interesting but generally win-more and not worth keeping.

There are a number of games where I've found Notion Thief to be the difference in winning and not winning against any number of lists.  Basically anything running gush, whisper or essentially any deck tha isn't using Confidant or Necropotence to draw cards.  Thief has obvious advantages vs Griselbrand, and coupled with Strix essentially nullifies Grisel altogether.

There are certainly a lot of situations where he becomes win-more, but that can really be said of any card.  
 
It's main problem is it's casting cost - too often you are too far behind at 4 mana - your opponent has already played out the draw spells they need while you sit on him to be effective.  Without opening double mox, ring or crypt you are not getting  him out before turn 3.  On the draw, that is just too late.  However, nobody I've ever lost to ever let me resolve a Notion Thief.

I would have one in the board to bring in against decks with really greedy card engines.

[Coopes]

 Of the three, Notion Thief was the most interesting but generally win-more and not worth keeping.

There are a number of games where I've found Notion Thief to be the difference in winning and not winning against any number of lists.  Basically anything running gush, whisper or essentially any deck tha isn't using Confidant or Necropotence to draw cards.  Thief has obvious advantages vs Griselbrand, and coupled with Strix essentially nullifies Grisel altogether.

There are certainly a lot of situations where he becomes win-more, but that can really be said of any card.  
 
It's main problem is it's casting cost - too often you are too far behind at 4 mana - your opponent has already played out the draw spells they need while you sit on him to be effective.  Without opening double mox, ring or crypt you are not getting  him out before turn 3.  On the draw, that is just too late.  However, nobody I've ever lost to ever let me resolve a Notion Thief.

I would have one in the board to bring in against decks with really greedy card engines.

I will echo the Notion Thief sentiment, I find him very, very good at what he does, and have since also moved him to the sideboard after talking a bit with other people.

[hashswag]

One of my favourite plays ever was draining a Caverned Notion Thief cast in response to my Acall so that I could cast and equip SoFaF the next turn for lethal.

[dangerlinto]

Thanks for the link Steve.

For some reason, I can't see the first decklist posted on the Wizards results page! It happens nearly all the time. Why is that? Do others have the same problem?
Luckily the winning list is in the first post.

I've sent several notes about this.  So I've taken to twitter embarrassment.    Seems to work some of the time.

It bothers me how much Twitter is the way to get anything across - but problem fixed (apparently)

[Montolio]

Anybody planning on playing in Vintage PE this weekend?
I am able to play on Saturday and will be in queue. Lets get another one of these to fire. It was too much fun last week.

[Zherbus]

I certainly will be there. I haven't had any time to do any rallying for it, but let's try to fire it.

[KanaKaishou]

Anybody planning on playing in Vintage PE this weekend?
I am able to play on Saturday and will be in queue. Lets get another one of these to fire. It was too much fun last week.

Saturday is the TDG open...not going to be able to join in.

[Samoht]

Anybody planning on playing in Vintage PE this weekend?
I am able to play on Saturday and will be in queue. Lets get another one of these to fire. It was too much fun last week.

Saturday is the TDG open...not going to be able to join in.

Same, and that goes for most of the tri-state area.

[Montolio]

Trying to get this to go tonight guys.
Lets fire PE # 2.
8:30 EST

[Zherbus]

I'll join up.