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« on: July 21, 2014, 04:58:39 pm »

(and Cedric doesn't think it's too hot either)

I split the top 4 of the TDG on the 19th, and I figured I'd write up a tournament report.

I was on U/W Stoneforge.

Round 1, Chris Pau: Game 1, I have the maindecked Disenchant for his Oath of Druids. Stoneforge fetches up a Sword of Feast and Famine, and we're soon in "you have no cards, I have 3 counterspells...you want to give up"? Game 2 is a comedy. Chris smartly casts Oath with Force backup on turn 2. I Disenchant, he Forces, and I'm short a blue card to cast my own Force of Will. I look at the board dejectedly, and pass the turn to him. He resolves his Oath trigger...and whaddaya know, Griselbrand is 3 cards from the bottom. Chris has, in a tragic turn of events, boarded out his Memory's Journey, and scoops his cards up. Sometimes, Vintage happens?

Round 2, I forget (though I've played him before--nice guy): He's on Merfolk. Game 1, he keeps an awkward 6, strips me, Wastes me, the discards for 3 turns waiting for a 4th mana source. In the mean time, I assemble Stoneforge Mystic and Jace, and he taps out to the might of the Skull. Game 2, I stumble a little bit, and am swiftly overrun by Fishes. Game 3, I play out a line where I cast Jace as bait...and it resolves. I Brainstorm, kill a man with Swords to keep my Jace, and resolve Moat the next turn. So long, farewell, merfolk.

Round 3, Nick DiJohn: Game 1 is a long drawn out affair, where Nick has a million sphere effects, but is a little low on mana, and I've got all the lands in the world. He eventually resolves a Forgemaster via Cavern of Souls, and activates it. I've been on the Snapcaster beatdown plan, so he's a little low on life. He decides that Staff of Nin to clear my board is correct. Unfortunately, he's sac'd a sphere, revoker, and his Forgemaster to forge, and gives me an opening to reosolve a Jace, now that I'm 1 Spheres and and extra mana source clear. I bounce a Lodestone, and while the Staff deals with Jace, restoration angel+Time Walk is enough for lethal. Game 2 lasts all of 15 seconds, when I keep a sketchy 6 with Swords and Steel Sabotage as my interaction, he casts thorn, I play an Island, he plays strip Mine+Lodestone Golem, and I concede. Game 3 he mulls to 5, does nothing, and dies. That was unfortunate for him.

Round 4, Joel Lim: Fish Fish Fish! Game 1, I have double Swords+Stoneforge Mystic+Jace. This ends the game in short order, and we're off to game 2. Game 2 is a sad one, because I lose to the judge staff (and myself). I, somewhere along the line, accidentally drop a card, and neither Joel nor I notice. Long story short I cast Stoneforge, it gets Dismembered, he casts True-Name, I cast Humility. Then I cast Batterskull. Then I cast Jace. Game should be over (or some very reasonable facsimile of over), but a judge is called over for a question about Humility, and notices the card. I get game lossed, and lose game 3 in a very short "I mulled to 5, he had Lotus+Lord+Lord" affair.

Round 5, Vincent Pau: Game 1, he casts Oath, I have the maindeck Disenchant, and Stoneforge Mystic and Sword of Feast and Famine put him out of the game in short order. Sound familiar? Smile. Game 2, He resolves oath, but Sensei's Top allows me to find the appropriate answers (Council's Judgment, in this case), and I Jace him out.

Round 6, Tom Dixon: It just wouldn't be a Vintage event if I didn't get paired against Tom, would it? I convince Tom that we're very low odds to get knocked out on breakers, and that works out for both of us. (Basically, the math was that we both had better breakers than the 10 pointers. I reasoned that we'd both improve our breakers by playing each other, while the 10 pointers went down in breakers because they were paired down, so barring some super weird results outside of the relevant matches, we were fine).

QF, Rob (?): Game 1, he has an awkward mull to 5, Strips me, then dies to Stoneforge Mystic. Game 2, I mull to 5, and am put out of the game in short order. Game 3, I'm on 8 life, and this is the second to last real turn to do something, even though he's mulled to 5. Cast Jace with 1 up, hoping to find a white source. There's Black Lotus. Here's Moat. Ballgame.

Top 4 splits.

Some commentary on the deck: to those who want to cut Jace entirely, without him being a non-bo with some other part of your deck, you are, respectfully, wrong. I think the days of 4 Jace are over, but he does too much against too many decks. He's clunky, but you can cast this card in the early turns without too much help (unlike, e.g., Magus of the Future, which is better in play, but harder to cast), and is the empty board threat I find I sometimes need (anyone who thinks the average Fact or Fiction just ends the game from parity is kidding themselves. It's very good, but it's percentage of bricking off is higher than people would admit. Jace *ends* the game).

Moat is the bee's knees when you play Merfolk 3 times. Humility is also very good. Despite the argument of "4 mana is a lot", I think that the right way to approach the matchup is to slam game winners and hope. Pieces like Moat, once they stick, are virtually unbeatable, so if I'm going to hope and pray, Moat's that I'm going to slam down.

Shops matchup is very, very 50/50. I beat Nick because my draw (all the lands) matched up with his (all the spheres). If he had a bunch of threats, I would have lost...but the threat hand loses to me having interaction (see: Nick and my match at the NYSE). I think it's largely a case of "does my draw match up?", and as a rule, that only happens some of the time.

Oath of Druids is shockingly positive for the deck. My last 4 sanctioned matches against Oath are all wins--against Fenton, John Grudzina, and the Pau bros--hardly a group of incompetents. I admittedly have gotten a bit lucky, but in my humble estimation, it looks like game 1 is centered around the singleton disenchant and early creature based pressure (the Feast and Famine helps here--if you get them low, Griselbrand is often irrelevant, and Feast and Famine puts them into topdeck mode), and games 2 and 3 are ones where your disruption is much better than their anti-disruption. Again, grain of salt, since it's small sample size, but I no longer dread getting matched up against Oath. It's not super positive, but I think it's better than the "miserable" I had it pegged at.

For those interested in my deck, here's what I played:

3 Stoneforge Mystic
3 Snapcaster Mage
2 Vendilion Clique
2 Restoration Angel

1 Sword of Feast and Famine
1 Batterskull

2 Jace the Mind Sculptor
3 Fact or Fiction
4 Force of Will
2 Mental Misstep
3 Mana Drain
1 Flusterstorm
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Time Walk
3 Swords to Plowshares
1 Disenchant
1 Brainstorm
2 Sensei's Divining Top

5 Mox
3 Lotus/Crypt/Ring
4 Flooded Strand
2 Polluted Delta
3 Tundra
3 Island
1 Plains
1 Tolarian Academy
1 Karakas
1 Cavern of Souls
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« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2014, 05:19:25 pm »

But I don't get it. It's a Moat. They have Islandwalk. ???
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« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2014, 05:45:08 pm »

But I don't get it. It's a Moat. They have Islandwalk. ???
You may be thinking of Island Sanctuary or something; otherwise, I don't understand what you're saying.
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« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2014, 06:07:59 pm »

It's a Moat. Can't they just swim across it?

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« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2014, 06:09:36 pm »

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« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2014, 07:22:58 pm »

Congrats on the finish, but also the title is dope.
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« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2014, 08:11:19 pm »

Nice report, Vasu. Your style of humor and title amuses me.
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« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2014, 08:33:54 pm »

It's a Moat. Can't they just swim across it?

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Sorry, they need moatwalk to cross the mighty moat.

The flavor text of moat explains why they cannot cross. Also, from now on, I will refer to flying by the name of moatwalk.
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« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2014, 08:37:11 pm »

Congratulations, Vasu. Thanks for writing this great report!
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« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2014, 08:23:13 am »

Great report!
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« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2014, 05:39:52 pm »

Having lost to Moat in the QF match, I can attest to it's power.    Card is sweet vs. a merfolk heavy field and is much more broad of an answer than Llawan. 
Nice report and congrats on the Top 4.
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« Reply #11 on: July 22, 2014, 06:59:53 pm »

Nice job, Vasu.  (I was the round 2 Merfolker)
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« Reply #12 on: July 22, 2014, 08:20:17 pm »

Nice job, Vasu.  (I was the round 2 Merfolker)

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Really though, Jon is a stellar man and we're all bettered for knowing him. #salute
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« Reply #13 on: July 24, 2014, 05:15:24 pm »

Thanks, Tom.
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« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2014, 08:56:44 am »

Nice report Vasu, next time i'll fetch the right things lol.   Agree with the hands matching up comment, it's less turn one wins than some might think.
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« Reply #15 on: July 26, 2014, 11:41:35 am »

I tend to agree with this Drew Levin. I think that these UW builds are very overrated, but you've had moderate succes in a tournament, so keep on playing and I guess that you yourself at some point can answer the question if the deck sucks or not.
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« Reply #16 on: July 26, 2014, 10:13:33 pm »

I tend to agree with this Drew Levin. I think that these UW builds are very overrated, but you've had moderate succes in a tournament, so keep on playing and I guess that you yourself at some point can answer the question if the deck sucks or not.

Vasu has put up consistent top 8's over the past 4 months (since he picked up the deck). Justin Kohler has put up consistent results for 3 years (since he picked up the deck). Craig Berry has put up two big results in the only events he's played the deck in. The deck has performed exceptionally well in comparison to the percentage of pilots using it. What more does it need to do to sate your hate?
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« Reply #17 on: July 26, 2014, 10:59:06 pm »

I tend to agree with this Drew Levin. I think that these UW builds are very overrated, but you've had moderate succes in a tournament, so keep on playing and I guess that you yourself at some point can answer the question if the deck sucks or not.

...trolling post is trolling, but that does seem to be your modus operandi on the Drain.

Seriously, though. "U/W is overrated" is a reasonable opinion to have. Please state why so that we can have a discussion--because from my multiple results over the past months, yeah, I've determined my deck is pretty freaking good.
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« Reply #18 on: July 26, 2014, 11:49:58 pm »

I agree with Tom and Vasu. StanleyAugust, if you feel the deck is overrated please provide actual reasoning rather than just a opinion. I actually feel UW is underrated - Justin has was two sets of power playing over the past couple of years. I have won an Ancestral Recall, Mox Ruby, and Mox Pearl playing with different versions of UW. Vasu has also had success with the deck. I think the deck is underrated in part because of the lack of brokenness but the deck is very flexible, has few dead cards, and will provide results in the hands of a skilled pilot. Cards like Vendilion Clique, Jace, and Sensei's Divining Top are very difficult to play optimally and many people who pick up the deck the day of the tournament will not have success with it.
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« Reply #19 on: July 27, 2014, 03:01:38 am »

I agree with Tom and Vasu. StanleyAugust, if you feel the deck is overrated please provide actual reasoning rather than just a opinion. I actually feel UW is underrated - Justin has was two sets of power playing over the past couple of years. I have won an Ancestral Recall, Mox Ruby, and Mox Pearl playing with different versions of UW. Vasu has also had success with the deck. I think the deck is underrated in part because of the lack of brokenness but the deck is very flexible, has few dead cards, and will provide results in the hands of a skilled pilot. Cards like Vendilion Clique, Jace, and Sensei's Divining Top are very difficult to play optimally and many people who pick up the deck the day of the tournament will not have success with it.

I've won a few Moxen myself on it as well.
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« Reply #20 on: July 27, 2014, 07:01:31 am »

I agree with Tom and Vasu. StanleyAugust, if you feel the deck is overrated please provide actual reasoning rather than just a opinion. I actually feel UW is underrated - Justin has was two sets of power playing over the past couple of years. I have won an Ancestral Recall, Mox Ruby, and Mox Pearl playing with different versions of UW. Vasu has also had success with the deck. I think the deck is underrated in part because of the lack of brokenness but the deck is very flexible, has few dead cards, and will provide results in the hands of a skilled pilot. Cards like Vendilion Clique, Jace, and Sensei's Divining Top are very difficult to play optimally and many people who pick up the deck the day of the tournament will not have success with it.

I've won a few Moxen myself on it as well.

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« Reply #21 on: July 27, 2014, 03:50:35 pm »

Too many people dismiss ideas or aren't accepting enough of new ones in Vintage man, it's really disheartening. Seeing someone make a comment like " x and x is overrated/sucks " or something else without any real basis whatsoever makes me sad. Vintage tournaments in RL are far and few compared to the Standard/Modern/Legacy counterparts, so I don't understand how people can be so quick to dismiss/judge something when the truth is, they honestly haven't tried it/played it enough to even properly evaluate it. You don't know how many times I've played Exava online and just gotten an insane amount of negative backlash and hate. When I end up beating them with the deck, they rage even harder and get very aggresive ( even people on this forums..who i won't name ). I've quickly learned that Vintage punishes you a lot harder than any other format for your mistakes, and that due to the power level of the cards and the huge pool, learning how to properly play a deck can take a fair amount of time. I also will echo the idea that cards like Sensei's top, etc take time to properly play and (not doubting anyones skill level here ) probably contribute to some losses if you don't know the deck through and through. I'm still taking in ideas everyday and I've learned a lot about Vintage here, but man, the dismissive attitude of some people really gets old fast.
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« Reply #22 on: July 27, 2014, 04:21:10 pm »

Too many people dismiss ideas or aren't accepting enough of new ones in Vintage man, it's really disheartening. Seeing someone make a comment like " x and x is overrated/sucks " or something else without any real basis whatsoever makes me sad. Vintage tournaments in RL are far and few compared to the Standard/Modern/Legacy counterparts, so I don't understand how people can be so quick to dismiss/judge something when the truth is, they honestly haven't tried it/played it enough to even properly evaluate it. You don't know how many times I've played Exava online and just gotten an insane amount of negative backlash and hate. When I end up beating them with the deck, they rage even harder and get very aggresive ( even people on this forums..who i won't name ). I've quickly learned that Vintage punishes you a lot harder than any other format for your mistakes, and that due to the power level of the cards and the huge pool, learning how to properly play a deck can take a fair amount of time. I also will echo the idea that cards like Sensei's top, etc take time to properly play and (not doubting anyones skill level here ) probably contribute to some losses if you don't know the deck through and through. I'm still taking in ideas everyday and I've learned a lot about Vintage here, but man, the dismissive attitude of some people really gets old fast.

Agree wholeheartedly.

Nicely written report Vasu!
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« Reply #23 on: July 28, 2014, 05:53:25 pm »

More results for UW? NO WAI

http://www.themanadrain.com/index.php?topic=46617.msg648525;topicseen#msg648525

Anything to add to your statement that the archetype is overrated?
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« Reply #24 on: July 29, 2014, 05:23:00 am »

More results for UW? NO WAI

http://www.themanadrain.com/index.php?topic=46617.msg648525;topicseen#msg648525

Anything to add to your statement that the archetype is overrated?

It only had 2 people in the top 4 of a 23 person tournament, including the winner. Come back when it top 4's a 90 person tournament and wins a Time Walk or something.

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I love how the deck has been evolving lately. Trinket Mage package, Stoneforge package, Restoration Angel/Spirit of the Labyrinth, Magus of the Future (card is legit), Consecrated Sphinx (card is also legit) ... I think that the fact that the deck has diverged this much due to pressures from different metagames yet still found success attests to the overall strength of the archetype.

Too many people dismiss ideas or aren't accepting enough of new ones in Vintage man, it's really disheartening. Seeing someone make a comment like " x and x is overrated/sucks " or something else without any real basis whatsoever makes me sad. Vintage tournaments in RL are far and few compared to the Standard/Modern/Legacy counterparts, so I don't understand how people can be so quick to dismiss/judge something when the truth is, they honestly haven't tried it/played it enough to even properly evaluate it. You don't know how many times I've played Exava online and just gotten an insane amount of negative backlash and hate. When I end up beating them with the deck, they rage even harder and get very aggresive (even people on this forums..who i won't name ). I've quickly learned that Vintage punishes you a lot harder than any other format for your mistakes, and that due to the power level of the cards and the huge pool, learning how to properly play a deck can take a fair amount of time. I also will echo the idea that cards like Sensei's top, etc take time to properly play and (not doubting anyones skill level here ) probably contribute to some losses if you don't know the deck through and through. I'm still taking in ideas everyday and I've learned a lot about Vintage here, but man, the dismissive attitude of some people really gets old fast.

You are a better man than me. I normally take screenshots - have quite a few playing Battle of Wits. Rather than feel disheartened, I think it is important to challenge people when they make assertions like this. We ultimately shape our own community and that is how individuals like Nick Coss, Nick Detwiler, Calvin, Shawn, Dan and many others have created the awesome Vintage scene that we have on the East Coast. Vasu, congrats on the results and I hope you get a chance to stream again as I enjoy watching the deck in action.
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« Reply #25 on: July 30, 2014, 02:19:56 am »

More results for UW? NO WAI

http://www.themanadrain.com/index.php?topic=46617.msg648525;topicseen#msg648525

Anything to add to your statement that the archetype is overrated?

If putting two players in the top 8 of a 23 player tournament is great for this archtype then I rest my case.

Anyway, I apologize if my comment offended any of you. It wasn't meant to do so. Furthermore, I do think that the "Kohler" versions of the deck are good, my criticism is mainly of the builds with Fact or Fiction and/or Spirit of the Labyrinth which I find really overrated.
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More results for UW? NO WAI

http://www.themanadrain.com/index.php?topic=46617.msg648525;topicseen#msg648525

Anything to add to your statement that the archetype is overrated?

If putting two players in the top 8 of a 23 player tournament is great for this archtype then I rest my case.

Anyway, I apologize if my comment offended any of you. It wasn't meant to do so. Furthermore, I do think that the "Kohler" versions of the deck are good, my criticism is mainly of the builds with Fact or Fiction and/or Spirit of the Labyrinth which I find really overrated.

It really isn't that your comment caused offense - I don't think anyone was offended by it. It's that your comment did not contribute to the thread as you provided no reasoning behind you opinion. This post is better as you cite specific cards/builds that you find overrated but you still don't state why they are overrated.
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« Reply #27 on: July 30, 2014, 09:32:08 am »

More results for UW? NO WAI

http://www.themanadrain.com/index.php?topic=46617.msg648525;topicseen#msg648525

Anything to add to your statement that the archetype is overrated?

If putting two players in the top 8 of a 23 player tournament is great for this archtype then I rest my case.

Anyway, I apologize if my comment offended any of you. It wasn't meant to do so. Furthermore, I do think that the "Kohler" versions of the deck are good, my criticism is mainly of the builds with Fact or Fiction and/or Spirit of the Labyrinth which I find really overrated.

2/2 players in top 8 with the winner of the event being one and beating the other is pretty darn good. Considering there are less than 10 events a year that break the 40 player threshold we need to be able to extrapolate from smaller events. If this was the only time UW did well than I'd get behind you and say it's an irrelevant data point. However, this is just another mark in favor of the archetype in a long list of marks. Top 4 of a 90 person event is pretty good. Top 8 of a 230 person event is pretty good. Top 8 of a 75 person event is pretty good. It's not like this is the first time there's been a performance


Now, you're backpedaling a bit which is good. You started out hating on UW in general but have narrowed it to UW Spirit/FoF. We can talk about that particular build a bit if you'd like. Craig Berry, Rich Shay, Brian Coval, and a small part of myself(couldn't get the cards so I played another brew) interacted to build Dance Magic Dance (Rich's name) for the MVPLS Invitational. 3 people played the deck in the event, all 3 made the elimination rounds. They played Spirit as a hoser to Gush and as such had to cut Jace because of the negative synergy - leaving them with FoF. Two of them lost to Stoneforge Mystic UW because it enabled stronger mulligans. As SFM also skirts SoL, they later reworked the deck later to add it in. That said, Rich discovered Night's Whisper Control Slaver and has aggressively been playing that while Craig doesn't get around to events much. I've been on StifleStill and I think Coval has been playing other formats. I'll give you that Spirit isn't right for every metagame. That said, Vasu's deck has never sported the card and I'm not sure how it got dragged over here as the last bastion of UW hate you had left.
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« Reply #28 on: July 30, 2014, 10:13:25 am »

Guys, let's keep this on point, please.  This has been a productive thread, let's keep it that way.
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« Reply #29 on: July 30, 2014, 12:21:24 pm »

I like playing Stoneforge over Spirit in the current metagame in which Oath is becoming a little bit less popular in favor of more Shops and Fish than there was around the MVP Invitational when Craig and I last worked on Blue Angels. What did your sideboard look like? I know that was always the weakness for Craig and am wondering if you fixed that problem.
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