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Author Topic: PSA: Very good Modern fakes spotted at Tampa PTQ. Be vigilant.  (Read 2086 times)
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« on: August 24, 2014, 07:33:47 pm »

Apparently counterfeiters are selling complete Modern decks full of counterfeit cards: http://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/2efzve/fake_cards_at_a_ptq_i_judged_yesterday/

Hopefully the texture/colors of the fakes are more obvious when handling them in person, but honestly I can't say I'd be able to spot the fake here reliably, especially not from a picture on e.g. ebay: http://i.imgur.com/71en36s.jpg

Be very careful buying Modern singles.
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« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2014, 02:46:21 am »

If these are similar to the ones circulating earlier this year, you can generally tell the fakes apart by the significantly glossier texture and appearance. The text also appears slightly less sharp. A black light can easily show the difference although even just using a regular flashlight of some sort should be good enough. There's even a youtube clip about how to identify these.

Also, prices haven't dropped because of this, they're higher than ever. All these fakes did was ruin our "beloved" modern borders Smile
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« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2014, 02:56:46 am »

If it seems too good to be true, it probably is. Would you buy a car for £1000 after only seeing it briefly?
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« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2014, 07:35:07 am »

Thing is with a car they have to sign the title over. Get a receipt with a name that matches ID
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« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2014, 10:18:22 am »

I keep saying we're in a Magic Bubble propped up by confidence and not the true benefit to the end user of playing a card in a tournament.  What is surprising, though, is that we keep hearing about large counterfeit problems and confidence has NOT dropped.  I wonder why the player base is still so confident?  

Maybe it's like this: if you manage to make a truly perfect counterfeit, then no one will ever know you did it unless you tell them.  So maybe the only time the market tanks is when someone retires and publishes a book, "How I Printed All The Black Lotuses" or something.

I must admit that i almost think they are doing players a favor,  by lowering the cost of all three eternal formats.

Short-sighted thinking, and possibly just wrong.  At the risk of-rehashing prior threads, the idea that fakes (not open and notorious proxies, mind you, but counterfeits being passed off as legitimate) make eternal cheaper has a few problems:

1) In the short term, legitimate dealer prices probably RISE because people who want to be sure they're getting the real deal will go there instead of taking chances on the person-to-person market.

2) Increased transaction costs in tournaments, where you will see an uptick in accusations of fake cards and the associated delay and bad feelings.

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3) If it gets really widespread, the large casual market goes to cheap counterfeits instead of legitimate cards, causing the large retailers to lose money and causing a similar drop in prize support and T/O outlay.

Just use proxies if you want to use proxies, stop trying to con people. :-/

If it seems too good to be true, it probably is. Would you buy a car for £1000 after only seeing it briefly?

We shouldn't blame the victim (assuming he really is the victim) but this is a good rule of thumb, yes.

Also, this depends a lot on the car!
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« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2014, 12:21:28 pm »

That's the thing, though; if it truly was identical, if it really was a perfect fake, you'd never know about it.
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« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2014, 03:00:44 pm »

That's the thing, though; if it truly was identical, if it really was a perfect fake, you'd never know about it.

Well, unless i made it...or specifically ordered a fake from someone who produced them.
While i would not mind buying or playing with such a card....i would not trade or sell it, since not everyone feels the same.

If you ever play in Colorado, I'll keep an eye out for you.  JUDGE!

In all seriousness, this kind of mentality helps drive demand for fakes and helps them get into circulation, from where they will inevitably cause problems being passed off down the line.  Even if it doesn't get that far, if you knowingly played counterfeit cards in a sanctioned tournament, both I and the IPG call that being a cheat and a liar.  Even if you don't mind the moral dimension, why take the risk? 

(And again, for the record, I have no problem with proxies at all.  Openly tell me they're fake and I don't care what you play.  But try to lie to your opponents?  That's crossin the line, yo.)
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