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« on: August 29, 2015, 02:07:47 pm » |
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From Battle for Zendikar we have this: Hedron Archive   :Add  to your mana pool. , ,Sac:Draw 2 cards. Will shops use this or is it only EDH-stuff?? -Jyri- |
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« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2015, 09:09:17 pm » |
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Looks like chaff to me. For one mana more Memory Jar gets you 7 cards instead of 2, and nobody plays Jar.
The Sol Ring ability while you wait for the right time to draw cards is nice but not at the four mana (plus Sphere tax) price point.
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« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2015, 11:34:38 pm » |
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I wouldnt write it off too quickly. Turn one this into a sphere then turn two drop a threat or sphere or find one w any other land seems not bad.
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« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2015, 12:42:29 am » |
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This is gold. It's the next baby jace! First mana vault, now this? Wow, this is awesome ramp AND card draw. For 4 mana, it's not like shops have anything better to do.
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« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2015, 02:16:22 am » |
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The only thing good about this card is the flavor text:
"You've begun to understand the hedrons' true purpose," said Ugin. "The Eldrazi can be imprisoned." "And how did that work out last time?" asked Jace.
It's a shame flavor text does actual nothing in tournament magic.
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« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2015, 05:37:39 am » |
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This is just big mind stone. If you don't want to play mind stone why would you play double mind stone? There are boat loads of 4 mana spells that ramp you 2 mana better than this, and way better ways to spend 6 mana to draw 2 cards.
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« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2015, 12:35:34 pm » |
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This is gold. It's the next baby jace! First mana vault, now this? Wow, this is awesome ramp AND card draw. For 4 mana, it's not like shops have anything better to do.
A simple "I'm still stubbornly wrong about Jace, Vryn's Prodigy despite mounting evidence to the contrary and I don't think Hedron Archive is playable in Vintage" would have sufficed... |
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« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2015, 01:23:47 pm » |
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This is gold. It's the next baby jace! First mana vault, now this? Wow, this is awesome ramp AND card draw. For 4 mana, it's not like shops have anything better to do.
A simple "I'm still stubbornly wrong about Jace, Vryn's Prodigy despite mounting evidence to the contrary and I don't think Hedron Archive is playable in Vintage" would have sufficed... Tu che  |
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« Reply #8 on: August 30, 2015, 01:49:17 pm » |
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I wouldnt write it off too quickly. Turn one this into a sphere then turn two drop a threat or sphere or find one w any other land seems not bad.
If you could turn 1 it easily yes for sure this would be a great card, but at 4 mana you really need a workshop to do so. This is probably worth at least testing though. |
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« Reply #9 on: August 30, 2015, 03:10:34 pm » |
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In reality, I can't think of when you'd ever want to turn 1 this thing. If you have shop+ mox on turn 1, think of all the other lines of play that are better than dropping this and casting a sphere. chalice @1 + sphere. chalice@0 + trini. lodestone golem. revoker on their mox (on the draw) + sphere. I mean there is a lot of good to do with 4 mana and I'm not sure how much most shop decks need to ramp to 6. MOST spells are 4 or less. I suppose in a more aggro build with 4x wurmcoil/4x precursor golem, it makes a solid set up for a turn 2. But then what are you looking to cut for this? Is there any mana source or spell you'd rather cut to gain this thing?
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« Reply #10 on: August 30, 2015, 04:49:48 pm » |
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But then what are you looking to cut for this? Is there any mana source or spell you'd rather cut to gain this thing?
Metalworker. |
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« Reply #11 on: August 31, 2015, 12:07:32 am » |
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This is gold. It's the next baby jace! First mana vault, now this? Wow, this is awesome ramp AND card draw. For 4 mana, it's not like shops have anything better to do.
A simple "I'm still stubbornly wrong about Jace, Vryn's Prodigy despite mounting evidence to the contrary and I don't think Hedron Archive is playable in Vintage" would have sufficed... Tu che Touché* |
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« Reply #12 on: August 31, 2015, 10:48:58 am » |
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Sisay's Ring. Go. <opponent laughs>
Metalworker. Go. <if opponent can't remove, opponent shits themselves>
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« Reply #13 on: August 31, 2015, 06:19:00 pm » |
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But then what are you looking to cut for this? Is there any mana source or spell you'd rather cut to gain this thing?
Metalworker. Meh, I dunno. If you run metalworker at all, it's not because you're looking to jump from 4 mana to 6...it's because you're trying to jump from 3 mana to 12. Worker is also playable turn 1 off ONLY a workshop with no mox. I wouldn't make that swap. |
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« Reply #14 on: August 31, 2015, 06:20:00 pm » |
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This is gold. It's the next baby jace! First mana vault, now this? Wow, this is awesome ramp AND card draw. For 4 mana, it's not like shops have anything better to do.
A simple "I'm still stubbornly wrong about Jace, Vryn's Prodigy despite mounting evidence to the contrary and I don't think Hedron Archive is playable in Vintage" would have sufficed... Tu che Touché* *Like button* Knew I spelled it wrong but was too lazy to look it up, lol. |
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