Return to Zendikar Treasures

[gkraigher]

There are at least 25 treasure cards.  The 10 fetch lands, the 10 shock lands, and the 5 new dual lands.  



There is a set of 25 in the first set, and 20 different ones in the 2nd set. 

They are the rarity equivalent of a FOIL Mythic Rare. 

But how much are these fetch lands worth?  They could become some of the most expensive cards in the game due to demand and rarity.  

[TheWhiteDragon]

Sucks balls that the new fetches are new, fuller size art and mythic.  I was looking forward to picking up blue fetchlands that weren't reprinted in Khans.  Looks like I'll be waiting for the next reprint due to the inevitable price gouge

[vaughnbros]

Sucks balls that the new fetches are new, fuller size art and mythic.  I was looking forward to picking up blue fetchlands that weren't reprinted in Khans.  Looks like I'll be waiting for the next reprint due to the inevitable price gouge

These are just from the vault they aren't actually going to affect the price of the regulars

[TheWhiteDragon]

Oh, I thought they were reprints from the Battle for Zendikar set.  Oh well...guess my misty rainforests still need to wait.

[Ahab1248]

Oh, I thought they were reprints from the Battle for Zendikar set.  Oh well...guess my misty rainforests still need to wait.

They are reprints in Battle for Zendikar boosters, but as mentioned above they are super rare (Foil Mythic Rare) and if I understand the announcement correctly, aren't considered as being in Battle for Zendikar for set legality purposes. I.e. this printing doesn't make them standard legal. This announcement really sucks as I wanted to get some cheap enemy fetches instead we get hyper rare and expensive enemy fetches.

[bactgudz]

This set is gonna sell for dirt cheap.  You get roughly 3-4 of these per case (each one as rare as foil mythic, but 66% more of them), so if they hold the values some are projecting, everything else will be very inexpensive.  I expect these to drive down the price of foil ktk fetches as well.  If we have something like: enemy fetch $150, allied fetch $100, shock $40, bfz dual $15, they are taking up roughly $230 in value of the average case, which is over half the wholesale price of the case.   

Additionally, this and the land type on duals points to enemy fetches coming out during next block (or before) so they are still relevant when khans rotates.

[rikter]

This set is gonna sell for dirt cheap.  You get roughly 3-4 of these per case (each one as rare as foil mythic, but 66% more of them), so if they hold the values some are projecting, everything else will be very inexpensive.  I expect these to drive down the price of foil ktk fetches as well.  If we have something like: enemy fetch $150, allied fetch $100, shock $40, bfz dual $15, they are taking up roughly $230 in value of the average case, which is over half the wholesale price of the case.   

Additionally, this and the land type on duals points to enemy fetches coming out during next block (or before) so they are still relevant when khans rotates.

Some guy is preselling the Arid Mesa at $200 right now, that's the only one I have seen, and unless I am mistaken on just how often these will come up, it seems in the neighborhood anyways. Full art foil misty? Seems like $200+ no problem. Something like a steam vents I could easily see up around $100

[nyghtrunner]

Sigh. Why only foil? The art is sick... 

[vaughnbros]

This set is gonna sell for dirt cheap.  You get roughly 3-4 of these per case (each one as rare as foil mythic, but 66% more of them), so if they hold the values some are projecting, everything else will be very inexpensive.  I expect these to drive down the price of foil ktk fetches as well.  If we have something like: enemy fetch $150, allied fetch $100, shock $40, bfz dual $15, they are taking up roughly $230 in value of the average case, which is over half the wholesale price of the case.  

Additionally, this and the land type on duals points to enemy fetches coming out during next block (or before) so they are still relevant when khans rotates.

Some guy is preselling the Arid Mesa at $200 right now, that's the only one I have seen, and unless I am mistaken on just how often these will come up, it seems in the neighborhood anyways. Full art foil misty? Seems like $200+ no problem. Something like a steam vents I could easily see up around $100

It's not surprising only one person is willing to presale this.  If there are 25 uniques and only 3.5 total per CASE that means you'd have to open 7 CASES just to have a decent chance of getting one.  In reality you'd need to open even more than that though to guarantee all of your presales.  

[MTGFan]

This set is gonna sell for dirt cheap.  You get roughly 3-4 of these per case (each one as rare as foil mythic, but 66% more of them), so if they hold the values some are projecting, everything else will be very inexpensive.  I expect these to drive down the price of foil ktk fetches as well.  If we have something like: enemy fetch $150, allied fetch $100, shock $40, bfz dual $15, they are taking up roughly $230 in value of the average case, which is over half the wholesale price of the case.   

Additionally, this and the land type on duals points to enemy fetches coming out during next block (or before) so they are still relevant when khans rotates.

How are you arriving at the 3-4 per case figure? Foil mythic rares are opened roughly once in every 216 packs (according to SCG data), so this being of a similar rarity, you will, on average, see maybe slightly more than one per case.

[bactgudz]

This set is gonna sell for dirt cheap.  You get roughly 3-4 of these per case (each one as rare as foil mythic, but 66% more of them), so if they hold the values some are projecting, everything else will be very inexpensive.  I expect these to drive down the price of foil ktk fetches as well.  If we have something like: enemy fetch $150, allied fetch $100, shock $40, bfz dual $15, they are taking up roughly $230 in value of the average case, which is over half the wholesale price of the case.  

Additionally, this and the land type on duals points to enemy fetches coming out during next block (or before) so they are still relevant when khans rotates.

How are you arriving at the 3-4 per case figure? Foil mythic rares are opened roughly once in every 216 packs (according to SCG data), so this being of a similar rarity, you will, on average, see maybe slightly more than one per case.

There are many different data points.  I suspect you are looking at Ben's Conflux article (which is not based on scg's experience opening but rather parameter estimates, read the details)...I'm using data from conversations with mtgo dealers on large volume openings of large sets (mtgo actually gives you much less volatile print runs than paper when opening a large quantity simultaneously).  But one key thing to notice is that, as Maro reiterated in the announcement: a particular expeditions card is as rare as a particular foil mythic rare...this is not the same as expedition cards being as infrequent as foil mythic rares (since there are more expeditions than mythics).
So to go with Ben's Conflux numbers: he estimated that each particular Conflux foil mythic rare occurred in every 2160 packs.  If each expedition card is the same, you have one expedition per 86.4 packs or exactly 2.5 per case...I think Ben's Conflux number is a little low (my estimate is 3.3 per case vs the 2.5), but if you want to use his with my prices then it comes out to $172.5 per case.

It is nice that there will be more expeditions per case than foil mythics on average and that we were given the relationship between the two, since at the end of the day observing expedition frequency will give us a better estimate of how rare foil mythics actually are.

[MaximumCDawg]

My wallet is in love with this set.  What's that?  The chase rares are just premium versions of cards I already own and inferior dual lands?  I don't have to care about any of them?   SIGN ME UP!

[benrobnu]

I'm very confused by this 3-4 per case number. I thought foil mythic distributor was roughly 1 per 216 packs?

If the above number is true it equates to having to open about 95 cases to get a playset of any given expedition. I expect Tarns and Mistys to be well over $200.