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« on: January 18, 2004, 04:14:32 pm » |
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1996 World ChampionWas wondering, if say you play in a 5 proxy tournament. Is this card legal for play like the other promo cards printed, Mana Crypt and Arena?
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« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2004, 04:17:10 pm » |
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I mostly depends on the tournament organizer. Personally, at mine I would not allow it.
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« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2004, 09:57:29 pm » |
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Mana Crypt and Arena are specifically T1 legal. This is not. For most organizers, that is the key criterion.
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« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2004, 02:55:27 am » |
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As the 1996 World Champion card is encased in a block of perspex, I would rule it as a marked card and would act accordingly (assuming all of the other cards are not encased in perspex too, in which case I would watch the shuffling with great interest)
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« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2004, 08:12:29 am » |
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From all the Promo cards:
Sewers of Estark
Nalathni Dragon
Windseeker Centaur
Giant Badger
Mana Crypt
Arena
are Type One legal.
Fraternal Exaltation
Shichifukujin Dragon (I copy pasted that one)
Splendid Genesis
1996 World Champion
are not.
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« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2004, 01:43:27 pm » |
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@dandan: If I proxy it, it wouldn't be encased in plastic.
@Toad: May I inquire as to where you got that information? I'm just wondering if there is a specific ruling so I can use it to show other people that no, these are not legal. Because otherwise, the rules state any card with black/white borders and the traditional back is legal.
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« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2004, 02:01:37 pm » |
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He has a point. From http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=judge/resources/sfrtype1 :
Permitted Sets
All basic sets
All extensions of the basic set
All promotional cards released by Wizards of the Coast
All limited-edition or large expansion sets
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« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2004, 02:37:15 pm » |
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Fraternal Exaltation
Shichifukujin Dragon (I copy pasted that one)
Splendid Genesis
1996 World Champion
Those aren't "promotional cards". Just try to find them in Oracle, I dare you. |
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« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2004, 08:58:55 pm » |
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The thing is, it isn't a Magic card. It's a magic commerorative that happens to have a card inside its like.. square foot cube of plastic. Don't worry, we've already thought about it and had this argument only not through TMD  |
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« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2004, 09:47:31 pm » |
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I'm pretty sure those special cards would fall under the same category as Proposal: not for tourney play. They're not promotional, they're commemoratives. I'm not sure if this is a technical distinction that they've ever bothered to make, since there's only one copy of each of those I think.
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« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2004, 05:48:44 pm » |
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This is true. Actually, I'm pretty sure there are 0 copies of the Fuchogushiogmuki Dragon, unless there aren't. I doubt WotC will waste their time to release an "official" rule about this, as they don't control unsanctioned tournaments as it is- which all proxy tournaments are.
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« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2004, 03:52:01 am » |
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Jamison, they'll never be legal at any Proxy tournement I set up at Franks, so I hope you weren't trying, and I doubt Jeff and the rest of the San Diego crew will let you play them either.
It was a nice try though.
Pat
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« Reply #12 on: January 21, 2004, 11:39:13 am » |
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There is only 1 of them Dragon things, and only 1 1996 World Champion. After they were made all the other copies were destroyed, as well as the printing "tablet" (whatever it's called).
Splendid Genesis and Fraternal Exaltation were both printed specifically for Richard Garfield, to propose to his wife and for the birth of their first... son? I know there's multiples of Splendid Genesis, CardHaus even has one up for sale I believe, but Fraternal Exaltation might be unique.
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« Reply #13 on: January 21, 2004, 01:39:05 pm » |
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No TracerBullet, I wasn't thinking of using them. Just a friend messaged me asking if they were legal and if not, why. I had no ruling to cite for him so I came here asking.
And yes mouth you are correct about the numbers of the cards and the fact that they destroyed the copies and the printing tools used to create the cards. I remember seeing cardhaus with that Splendid Genesis, far too much money for a nonplayable card though.
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« Reply #14 on: January 24, 2004, 11:09:58 am » |
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Fraternal and Genesis were both made when Garfield has his two sons, there were some rumors that only 9 of each were made and some believe there were only 100 or less created of each. The Dragon is unique and it's in display somewhere in Japan (I forget where). 1996 World Champion is also unique.
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« Reply #15 on: January 24, 2004, 12:10:41 pm » |
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Proposal was never actually printed; it was just a mockup, like you or I might print out and stick to a card. Splendid Genesis and Fraternal Exaltation were actually printed, however.
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