Future Sight (Temp Forum rebuild)

[Fëanor]

Hey, guys, its me, TIKI, again. Um as I remember, there were only a few who responded in the temp forums to my deck (Josti, Veriest, Sytupal) and now it's to be re-written into the newb area here just to keep with steam.
The deck below is the last update I have. I am fiddling with the browser and trying to get a cache of the page, but all in vain for now. I might as well start at the begining for this thread, as others now have access to this deck.

Last we talked about putting in more duress and also tweaking the manabase.

I should also note to newcomers viewing my decklist that there were certain reasons why I do not run die-hard killers like morphling and decree. Please take my stubbornness into thought when/if posting replies.
This deck has gone through too many changes to list every decklist and changes along with them, plus I no longer have the info available (told you work in progress )

//0cc:
1 lotus petal
1 mox diamond
//1cc:
1 sol ring
1 duress
2 stifle
4 brainstorm
1 vamp-tutor
//2cc:
4 meddling mage
4 counterspell
1 demonic tutor
1 balance
//3cc:
3 cunning wish
3 shadowmage infiltrator
1 yawgmoth's will
//4cc:
1 FoF
//5cc:
1 FS
4 FoW
//land:
2 swamp
9 island
3 underground sea
3 tundra
4 flooded strand
1 strip
4 wasteland

SB:
2 coffin purge
2 CoP: red
1 stifle
1 gush
2 disenchant
2 hurkyls recall
4 Stp
1 wrath of god

Any feedback is welcome. Post freely in my domain, but dont change the subject. That would make Tiki sad...

[Mixing Mike]

If you ask me, this looks like a wanna be EBA build.

I'd run Mana Drains over the vanilla Counterspells if you've got access to them, and P9 is usualy good as well, again, if you have access to any.  May I be safe to assume that you don't?

It may have already been discussed, but I'd like to see a few Negators in there as well as at least one more Duress.  They really are a house if you're opponent isn't ready for them.  Not to mention not many decks still run them.  

I like Duress a lot, but I'm not all to sure on them.  The only type of engine you have for pure drawing cards is Fact or Fiction, Future Sight, and 3 Shadowmage, and Duress is best when used with a superior draw engine. I'd also like to see a Skeletyal Scrying or two in there.  I'd probably cut the Future Sight (a little clunky at 2UUU), but I'm not to sure if they're worth the deck space without the Moxen and 4 Mana Drains.

[Fëanor]

some ideas mentioned, others not...

yes! MD would be nice......grrr. (youll hear this a lot from me ) as discussed in the previous temp thread, i have no power, ugh. i have no MDs and i have little money to waste on them. for now im trying to build a deck that will stand in T1 and maybe, if i somehow find a job that pays decent, get some power to throw in here. got any money by the way???

negator might have been mentioned once and dismissed...i think it was a given that my meta would not be able to stand it, however i think i shall study my meta for such things. the problem with them is that they base no control, theyre there for beats. i want almost all of my deck to be control. hence my slow kill.

speaking of meta: minslaver, MUD, suicide, fun aggro decks and tog stuff see ankh sligh for more about my meta...

hells NO! FS is the basis of this deck, it is the reason for making the deck and it is also the name of the thread, from start to finish. youd have to get me to stop playing magic to take that out

i need more space for duress, the tech suggested was that i can duress 1st turn and mage second, crippling them for the most part until i get a draw spell and take control.

scrying would be fun, but once again, mentioned in the previous thread (damn not having that thing) its not as useful without the MDs mentioned earlier.

also, to be completely honest,  have no idea what EBA stand for or is. not merely to throw it aside to defend myself id rather like to see what exactly it is...

thanks for the ideas, anymore always welcome, peace

[Josti]

Hiya guys, I'm back again (thanks to Feanor   )

Now i didn't had much time to prepare some new things, but i will in the nex week.

Feanor: plz let me know here if zherbus aproved the retrieval of the temp forum.

Greetz, Josti

Edit: EBA stands for Eon Blue Apoc(olypse) It is a deck that consist of white blue and black, and is all control. when i get hold off such a newage decklist, i'll post him. If others have a new decklist, please post him here.

[Mixing Mike]

I already sent him a PM to keep the thread cleaner.  It was the build that took 2ed at Waterbury.  I'm sure he'll have more to say after he's seen it.

[Josti]

Acces to the noob temp forum is open. i got the old thread archived on my computer.

Mixing Mike: Could you PM me a list to??

josti

[Fëanor]

here's a link to my semi-home page, yes its crappy, but it has the thread link on it, saved so that it can be accessed after the temp thing closes

http://tyler.tiki.com/

oh yes Eon Blue Apocalypse...i would have remembered seeing the thread, but EBA gave me a mindblock...mmm...Tool.

thanks btw for the PM Micksa

peace

[WhiteMage05]

hells NO! FS is the basis of this deck, it is the reason for making the deck and it is also the name of the thread, from start to finish. youd have to get me to stop playing magic to take that out

Case and point: Future Sight is too slow for today's meta. Almost every aggressive deck now plays 5 strip effects. It's pretty hard to land a 5cc spell with UUU in the cost. However, I realize that you are playing 9 islands. Not having p9 bites. A lot. So keep Future Sight in there for now but honestly, look into the skeletal scrying and other bombs for better results. X in the casting cost can be a blessing sometimes. (ex: Keeper with Jet on the board under blood moon  :lol: )

Anyways. The slow kill is not the best idea. Fool around with it as you will, but I would play at least one official "Kill Card" such as an angel or a Morphling.

i need more space for duress, the tech suggested was that i can duress 1st turn and mage second, crippling them for the most part until i get a draw spell and take control.

My pet deck (EBA) is not always that friendly. As I agree that you're first/second turn play should be just that, but it's going to be extremely tough without p9.

[Josti]

Anyways. The slow kill is not the best idea. Fool around with it as you will, but I would play at least one official "Kill Card" such as an angel or a Morphling.

i need more space for duress, the tech suggested was that i can duress 1st turn and mage second, crippling them for the most part until i get a draw spell and take control.

My pet deck (EBA) is not always that friendly. As I agree that you're first/second turn play should be just that, but it's going to be extremely tough without p9.

We already talked about that in the temp forum. But if feanor doesn't want to play those cards, we must respect his choise and help him as good as we can.

for the second tech, it isn't that hard with fecth and duals to perfom it without power (SoLoMoxen) i've done it many time's before and i'm only using the sol ring and power blue.

Greetz, Josti.

Ps. To everyone replying here without reading the temp forum thread: Please read it, or at least the last page, It is tech.

[Special K]

could drop an underground sea and tundra for 2 plains and add Back to basics to the sideboard so then when you hurky's recall workshop decks cant cast all they're threat again.

If your gonna play with future sight at least play with 2 since 1 is really random and doesn't shadowmage fill the role of future sight?

[Josti]

it al started wih future sight, so feanor doesn't want to abbandon the card (and is is tech   ) and to compromise your statement: Shadowmage doen't fill the role of FS because Shadowm age is just an extra card and future sight is tech with fetches etc. and if you just double the change of having that xtra card in a form (enchantment) wich is very solid, why shouldn't feanor not use the extra "card-draw"

@ Feanor: I can't help you the next week due to some problems with my own Fish deck, so don't fear i have abbandoned this thread.

Will be back soon,

Josti

[Fëanor]

Thanks Josti for the support.  

Thanks also for pointing out if you havent seen the old thread, you need to. weve made way too many changes and descisions already. most of what has been said here has already been discussed.

@white mage: slow win isnt nec. the best way to win. hoever, it is very very possible to win with a slow deck. look at keeper. what youre saying makes perfect sense and it would be very difficult without P9, but it just aint an option here. i already have a serious competitive deck that ive spent too much money on. i want a no power, good control deck. that just screams crap, but i know ive seen them work, and i know its possible to build a great, crap, T1 worthy deck.

@special k: your plains idea has been discussed in the temp forum thread, and i plan on doing such a thing pretty soon sice not having basic, blows against the right deck.
your B2B idea hit me like a sunday driver...i guess the reason why i didnt see it was because i didnt have any B2B. itll have to be tested, but i believe it to be a worthy addition to the SB.

@Josti: you have helpd me tremendously already. take all the time you need.

keep those comments coming, any and all help

peace

[Fëanor]

Ok.......I've.....been thinking...this deck....needs an overhaul!

Um, right now the deck is in a big pile and I'm not sure which cards are in the deck and which are out. So here are some ideas I have come to in order to make the deck somewhat workable. Tell me what you guys think.

Undermine....It's kinda crappy, but It's another possible counterspell and Force pitch.

Iridescent Angel: Sytupal is an enforcer in my deckbuilding chi . Why not play with a hard-to-kill beastie?

mmm...Intuition............he h? heh?

Tell me. I can certainly bring this deck into five proxy T1 play. I't might make the deck more playable.

well that's pretty much it. I'll post a deck after i get some thoughts on these new cards. Thanks all.

Peace