Help With PT Funk.

[SwampThing]

Hey Everyone, I noticed I havnt Changed my PT Funk deck in a while and I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions to help with the new decks. Thanks, heres my Current List.


// Guys: 14
4 Phyrexian Negator
4 Hypnotic Specter
4 River Boa
1 Masticore
1 SpiritMonger

// Discard: 9
4 Duress
4 Hymm to Torach
1 Mind Twist

// Stuff: 6
4 Pernicious Deed
2 Diabolic Edict

// Fun: 4
1 Yagmoth's Will
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Necropotence
1 Regrowth

// Manas: 27
1 Sol Ring
4 Dark Ritual
1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Jet
4 Wasteland
1 Stripmine
4 Bayou
2 Windswept Heath
2 Polluted Delta
2 Forest
5 Swamp

Sideboard:
3 Naturalize
3 Coffin Purge
2 Withered Wretch
2 Masticore
2 Choke
2 Diabolic Edict
1 Skeletal Scrying

[HuntedWumpus]

I dont know an all too much about the deck as a whole. However, Withered Wretch is a very solid black creature these days. He is Good against dragon, and weaking the effects of the ever popluar late game Yawg win keeper so enjoys. I would think about trimming some of your mainboard creatures and working 2-3 of these dudes in.

Good Luck

[Matt]

Wow, you haven't changed it in a while. That's like my pre-GAT list! Anyway, I don't really think PTF is a viable choice if you're expecting to wade through TPS/DeathLong, Stax/wMUD, Madness (G/r or G/u/r, Oshawa should be better because they're slower, don't have Wonder, and are more permanent-based). TNT and Dragon can also be very rough matches, but at least these you have some tools against.

However, if I WAS to play the deck, I'd definitely cut Specters for Withered Wretches. Wretch is semi-powerful; Specter's time in the sun has passed. It's just not a threat against the top dogs of the format.

Hymn to Tourach is also not as good as it once was, because nowadays you must NOT allow certain spells to resolve, and Hymn just isn't a sure enough thing. I've been happy with Cabal Therapy in the past; it may have a place here.

River Boa is kind of a mixed bag: on the one hand, it's badly overmatched when put next to Troll Ascetic. On the other hand, Troll needs double-green, and costs more to regenerate through a Deed. If you can get the mana to work, go with Troll. Otherwise, I don't know what to tell you.

Nantuko Shade is pretty good. Core/Monger are not, because they're just too slow now. They can be useful against TNT just be being the biggest guys around, but they're almost dead against anything else.

[blankpagez]

What about Nether Void ? I have testing a PT Funk deck of my own with 2 Nether Voids in replace of the Edicts. I find this deck pretty hard to manuever. Being part Sui itself, this deck needs a lot of Black mana. Adding green into the mix kinda makes it harder. This is just my opinion or maybe I was just playing it wrong.

The Spiritmongers are good but like what Matt said, he is just too slow. I chose not to use River Boa in my deck because I do not really want to relly on green that much. The green there for me is just for the 3 Deeds in main and the 3 Naturalize in Side.

I still like having Hymn to Tourachs in this deck cause it is great in getting 2 cards out from your opponents hand. Compared to Cabal Therapy, you wouldn't think of using its flashback would you ?? Maybe in certain cases but I doubt that not everyone will feel comfortable in sacking a threat in play for another spell.

I would suggest keeping the Negator and Hypie. Take out River Boa for maybe Wretch or nantuko Shade. These 2 new creatures are awesome right now with the rise of Dragon in type1.

Anyway, I don't really think PTF is a viable choice if you're expecting to wade through TPS/DeathLong, Stax/wMUD, Madness (G/r or G/u/r, Oshawa should be better because they're slower, don't have Wonder, and are more permanent-based). TNT and Dragon can also be very rough matches, but at least these you have some tools against.

I think you are right. Personnaly I love SUI very much but I have come to realize that SUI is not a t4 quality deck. I know it is fast and all but it is not really that good nowadays. It hasn't won any recent Type 1 toruneys so far.

[EchoBoy]

Good afternoon,
I recently piloted a PT Funk deck to a near win at my stores weekly 100$ tournament. I know a lot about PT Funk and I'm sure I can help you. I've loved Pernicious Deed ever since the kid who won at my store everyweek played sligh. I figured "Hey, this rapes aggro, lets give it a whirl" I ended up winning for the first time.

Now heres the advice I got.

A. Phyrexian Negator, although very good versus control, should be in the sideboard unless you are running a lock method, such as Nether Void or Chalice. He has a low cc and will get deeded often, and since your deck is geared to beat aggro, you must be in an aggro metagame. Bad Karma.

B. Spiritmonger is on of the biggest drain targets I know of, plus hes stopped by recurring blockers, other regenerators, Maze, and a plethera of other cards. He's highly sub-optimal, read on for what you will replace him with.

C. Hypnotic has no place in T1 anymore, he is slow, and decks are faster than ever. Please remove him, He beats control, yes, but you do that anyways

D. Hymns are misdirectable. In a deck with no counterspells and low hand disruption, thats also Bad Karma.

E. Mind Twist is not that great without Mana Drains. It's usually and overcosted Hymn, just stay away from it. No, Lotus WON'T help you.

F. Edicts when you already run 4 Deed? Aiiee!!!!1!!one!!

Heres what I piloted to my near win:

4 River Boa
4 TROLL ASCETIC (Read below for details)
2 Masticore

4 Pernicious Deed
4 Duress
4 Cabal Therapy

1 Regrowth
1 Yawgmoth's Will
1 Necropotence
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Demonic Consultation

4 Dark Ritual
1 Black Lotus
3 Polluted Delta
3 Windswept Heath (also explained below)
1 Lotus Petal
4 Bayou
4 Wasteland
1 Strip Mine
1 Mox Emerald
4 Mishra's Factory
4 Swamp
2 Forest

Troll Ascetic: What? He regenerates, can't be swordsed or fired, AND deals 3 damage? I'm sold. Con: double green

Windswept Heath: Read above, note the double green quote. Problem solved .

I realize there is a lot of nonbasics, Blood Moon will hurt. You also have 8 Hand Rape spells, plenty of basics, and good ol artifacts. Don't forget the Deeds!

Your sideboard will vary depending on your metagame. For a mixed Metagame I'd recommend something like this

4 Phyrexian Negator
3 Withered Wretch
4 Coffin Purge
2 Null Rod
2 Naturalize

I hope you enjoy your new deck. PM me if you have any other problems. Remember kiddos, It IS fun watching your opponent squirm when they realize they can't stop you. Good night!

[SwampThing]

Hey Thanks For all the help so far, Belive it or not I actually won with this thing at a mox tourney in august, ive been stuck too it since.

So is it basically decided that Hippy, Masticore and Spiritmonger are out, and that I should Work Trolls and Wretches in.

Also Im still not really sold, I mean is Therapy really Better than, Hymm.
Also should I put in Factories, thanks for the help.

[blankpagez]

EchoBoy:
I don't think Hyppies are that bad. At least they get 2 damage in cause it flies and it helps reduce your opponents hand size. Troll are good but like you said before it needs 2 green out. Cabal Therapy can be misdirected too. I personally think that control is ruling Type1 for now. If you really wanna make into T8 in any tournament and survive, you at least have to beat 1 to 3 Controlish type decks. Having that many fetchlands scare me too. Kinda risky in the late game when drawing it.

SwampThing:
Mishra's Factory are not that good in PT Funk. Almost any activated Pernicious Deed will kill it once it's a creature. Besides, you don't run that many or any Nether Void so you don't need to Mishra's Factory.

[MadManiac21]

I really think withered wretch and nantuko shade belong in this deck. Whether you run both MD is your choice. They are jsut too good to not run in a deck running black. Wretch houses so many decks: dragon, wMud variants, Slaver, and anything that plans on abusing its graveyard. Shades can just do absurd amounts of damage amd are able to go toe-to-toe with the rest of the fatties now popping up in t1 (See Big O).

I've seen variants running sinkholes, tempting wurm, river boas, etc. I think the best route is to look at your meta and pick the best mix of cards that will help combat what you face. If you see blue, run river boas IMO. If you see mud, run null rods. If you see combo-like decks, run more disruption and take a look at tempting wurm (they like to ramp up for storm, and a 5/5 for 1G isn't bad). Do some playing with different variants untill you become comforatble wih one, then stick with it.

[EchoBoy]

If you don't like the trolls thats fine. It's your loss. They're in Oshawa for a reason. Anyways, Mishra's will not die to a deed unless a. You're a dumbass or b. it's your OPPONENTS deed, which you cannot stop unless you duressed it. Cabal Therapy IS misdirectable, but it will take 0 cards instead of 2, unlike Hymn.

--Nantuko Shade can be deeded, thats not good. I'd run negators before shades.

--That many fetches is pretty bad, I only gave an example of what i won with, tune it to your own liking, there was no stifles that day so i went nutty.

--Cabal Therapy is 1 less mana and can be flashed back by saccing a guy you cannot regen if you're going to deed that turn.

--Hippie is good, but in my meta he wasn't. My meta is largely aggro because of the high amount of control we had aggro ran everywhere to run it over. I'm in Sligh/Oshawa/Sui Hell.

What I'm saying is only out of my personal experience, i know Hippy and Hymn are very good cards. But I prefer the other ones. Just do what you like better.

Edit: Shade is fine, I didn't run them due to low permanent black sources