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Jason-Mox
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« on: January 28, 2004, 09:36:07 am » |
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I have recently been denied acces to p9 and i needed a deck to play at a local tourney (ca. 40 people) where the metagame is roughly 60% aggro, 30% control and 10% random/combo and the field is 5% powered
in came Oshawa Stompy
i found IllDawg's list but it lacked the maindeck cards to beat this meta properly, as i needed to be sure that i could beat varies aggro decks without problems AND be able to beat the control decks that allways top 8
i altered the list to this: 15 Forest 2 Petrefied Field 1 Strip Mine 2 Wasteland 4 ESG
4 Wild Mongrell 4 Troll ascetic 4 Arrogant wurm 4 BAsking rootwalla 2 roar of the wurm
3 naturlize 1 elvish lyrist 1 elvish scrapper 1 Regrowth
4 Survival 4 Squee 4 BAzaar
SB 4 Hidden Gibbons 4 choke 4 rootmaze 1 silklash spider 1 dawnstrider 1 xxxxx
i think that this list is near optimal for the meta, althoug i changed the null rods to Naturlize as i need a way to combat cards that moat and the abyss together with scepter (max 2-3 scepter decks will be at the event)
i also added roar of the wurm as alot of aggro decks just dies to big ass wurms. One more thing is that i added elvish lyrist and scrapper so i would have a solution to enchantments and artifacts that can be fetched at a moments notice
what to you think i have missed?
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wuaffiliate
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« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2004, 12:06:54 pm » |
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the only thing i can suggest without knowing your metagame much is to run 5 strips, they are mandatory. this deck always wants to disrupt, its slow and needs to slow the opponent down so it can build its mana base up to ~3 producing sources.
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do you ever see dragon? because you are lacking far too little dragon hate in you board. ground seals are much better int he board than choke is, you kill control as it is you dont need to go overboard.
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nietzreznor
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« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2004, 12:09:14 pm » |
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One question-- Why Regrowth? Your deck seems pretty redundant as is, and you already have petrified fields (presumably so that you could return wasted bazarrs, otherwise they'd be more wastes). I'm not sure what regrowth adds...
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Jason-Mox
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« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2004, 12:59:58 pm » |
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wuaffiliate@ 5 strips are not optimal as i am only going to play against duals in the top 8 and i would rather have consistency than 2 xtra strips
dragon will not likely be present or 1 deck at most so i do not feel that i need to dedicate sb cards for it
nietzreznor@ regrowth is just so versatile that i feel that it has to be in the deck as i is never a dead draw and can save you if key spells get countered
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wuaffiliate
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« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2004, 01:05:58 pm » |
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wastes are too important to leave out, 12 forests is PLENTY ive played the deck ALOT and i have never wanted more, i run 11 and 1 emerald and i see no reason to run more green sources over wastes. hell you have fields to get back forests if need be. without a full set of strips the odds of you making it to t8 let alone winning is pretty low. the deck runs alot of off mana denial its important, test it and you will see that.
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Jason-Mox
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« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2004, 01:10:52 pm » |
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Okay i haven't done more than 3 testing games, so i gues you know more about it than me.
(But i will still have a pretty good chance of top 8 althou i only play 3 as there are not alot of dual dependent decks)
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Razor
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« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2004, 06:16:25 pm » |
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Might I suggest: +1 Sol Ring, +1 Lion's Eye Diamond, +1 Roar and +4 Crypts SB. You need 4 Crypts if you might run into: Madness, Dragon or 'Tog. 15 Forests seems excessive. Maybe drop to 12 or 13 and add in the Ring, LED and Roar. Good luck.
Since you have Bazaars, you might do even better in your metagame with Dragon.dec. bebe's Black Dragon is particularly resilient. Diceman_X's BG Dragon seems quite strong too.
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Jason-Mox
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« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2004, 11:56:08 am » |
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I dont know if i wanna run LED in the deck as only a 1-of, although i seems okay, i might play them anyways.
I have put 3 crypt in hte sideboard, mostly because i know there will be 2 tog decks present.
i would not run dragon as people have to much sideboard hate to combat it, and i basicly dont wanna play it without power
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wuaffiliate
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« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2004, 12:49:57 pm » |
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you're running ROTW, you need to run LED, there is no reason not to. it powers out ROTW and Arrogants.
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Petko
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« Reply #9 on: January 29, 2004, 02:48:23 pm » |
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I'll hop on the bandwagon here and comment that this deck needs that full-compliment of Strip Mine and Wastelands. Oshawa Stompy puts great focus on the aspect of mana denial.
Although this is just an assumption, as I really don't know your metagame, just because, as you say, 5% of your field is powered shouldn't mean that there is an absence of Dual lands. And your comment of only seeing Duals in the Top 8 is irrelevant. You cannot really count on the pairings that you will be facing scrubs all day, and even then, you will need those Strip/Wastes to attack the mana base of the 'other' decks in your metagame.
Does your metagame warrent Null Rod? Remember that its purpose is not only to tie in with the mana denial theme by negating Moxen, but stopping cards such as Nevinyrral's Disk, which is a house.
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Different name, same Frenchie!
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Jason-Mox
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« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2004, 12:01:59 pm » |
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i just finished and i went 2-3.
i would not call myself a bad player or uber magic god but i could clearly feel that 12 forests was not enough as i lost most of my games to manascrew and if would definetly play 14 forests the next time despite what advise you have given me
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Razor
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« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2004, 10:31:51 am » |
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12 Forests not enuf? I wonder how I won Oshawa Stompy's first 3 tournies with only 10 Forests... I find 12 Forests just sweet. Sorry 'bout your luck.
BTW, did you find Root Mazes that helpful? Would you mind posting your list and report somewhere?
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skecreatoR
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« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2004, 12:20:29 pm » |
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I neither believe that 12 forests is too much. Must have a bad day at the Cigar, Jason 
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Petko
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« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2004, 01:45:31 pm » |
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If anyone knows something about bad luck, it's me. I can get the most hideous luck sometimes, but that doesn't really discourage me from playing the deck again. Twelve Forests should be more than fine. Lady Luck just wasn't on your side I giess; just keep on playing Oshawa Stompy. 
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Jason-Mox
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« Reply #14 on: February 03, 2004, 02:33:05 pm » |
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my list was:
12 Forest 1 Petrefied Field 1 Strip Mine 4 Wasteland 4 ESG 1 Sol ring
4 Wild Mongrell 4 Troll ascetic 4 Arrogant wurm 4 BAsking rootwalla 3 roar of the wurm
3 naturlize 1 elvish lyrist 1 elvish scrapper 1 Regrowth
4 Survival 4 Squee 4 BAzaar
SB 4 Hidden Gibbons 4 choke 1 rootmaze (screw ebay) 4 xantid swarm 2 i can remember
i usually write reports for a scandinavian site but i havent had the time, this time. but i played 2 people from the top 8 (rector tendrils and BW discard LD) where i drew 1 land in 3 of the games, causing me to totally crap out and when i get hit by a sinkhole, its all over.
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