Although Vintage is not my thing, I just wanted to pop over here to say that Off Thge Wall Games is an EXCELLENT place to play magic!  I've attended numerous Legacy evenets there, and the place is friendly, well stocked, clean, and just generally a great store to host a Magic tournament.

We'll be opening up our third Create a New Good Deck Contest.  Feel free to stop by and check out the rules and prizes.  The contest will be starting sometime this week and run until the first week in February.

I haven't been able to get the full story about that one yet.  I think that some sort of exception was made, but I don't know that for a fact.

We have started a Day 2 Update thread.

Round 9 updates of ppl I know and names I recognize:

In for Day 2
24 points
Adrian Sullivan - 15th

22 Points
Alix Hatfield - 32nd place

21 points
Eisel, Nick - 37th place
Stolze, Philip - 48th place
Hammer, James (Pinder) - 64th
IBA - 69th (figures, huh?)

20 points
Kaddy!!!!! - 80th
Diefendorf - 81st

19points
Rusiecki, Jonathan (Mr. Nipples) - 93rd
Smenny - 102nd


No Day 2 for you :frown:
19points
Scheurer, Scott - 169th

18 points
Diablos - 151st place
Gearhart - 152nd
quicksilver - 170th place
Bryant (wastedlife) - 191st
Scrummdog - 201st
Mulletus - 203rd

15 points
Mr. Nightmare - 299th place

12 points
Watcher (Shane Flannigan) - 383rd place

We have a little information over at MTS, but I can't seem to find any updates on Wizards' homepage.  Anyone else having any luck getting updates for the biggest Legacy event of the year?

I'm curious as to how many ppl attended this tourney.  Did I miss that number or has it not been posted yet?

Just when I thought that TES could be getting out of hand, you beat three of em in one day.  LAWL!  Well, I guess we have our TES foil.  What would you have played against if had not drawn in the last round?

Damn.  Not a single Counterspell to stop the Iggy Nonsense.  If I was assured of never playing against a Counter or FoW, I would play Iggy till I was blue in the face.

Wow, interesting list and Top8, but I must say, GOOD GOD!  Does nobody play combo in Europe?  Doesn't it seem like Iggy or Solidarity could walk all over this deck?  Am I right or is Confinement and Geddon enough to puch out a win against the combo?

Anyway, the success of this deck begs the question "Is there really any reason to not run 4 Tormod's Crypts in you SB?"

Please show me a Legacy T8 that didn't seem janky!  Legacy is the land of jank.

This will surely be one of those 60+ player events - quite a few old-timers are coming out of lurkerhood for this one.

Create a New Good Deck Contest II

Entry Fee:[/size][/color]  FREE!
Prize:[/size][/color]  A bunch of cool stuff!
Money Stuff:
1 Force of Will
1 Pernicious Deed
Cool Stuff:[/I]
3 Ancient Tomb
1 Unhinged Foil Plains
1 Each of Unhinged Basic Lands
1 Tormod’s Crypt (Black Bordered Foreign)
Unofficial Donated Prizes: the prizes below become official when I receive them.[/i]
2 Underground Sea (to be donated by Evil Roopey)
1 Godless Shrine (to be donated by Hoojo)
1 Steam Vents (to be donated by Hoojo)
1 Ancient Tomb (to be donated by Lego Army Man)
Don’t like the prizes?  Well then take your entry fee and put it up your pooper.

What you have to do:[/size][/color] Create a new and viable deck for the Legacy format.

Other stuff to know about:[/size][/color]

Dates:[/I][/u]
We’ll accept entries from March 1st until March 31st 2006.
That gives you a whole month!
The final decision will be made sometime during the week after the 31st.

Click here and go to TheSource for rules and more details!

Not flaming, trolling, or trying to be offensive, but you seem to have a very "Type I" view of Legacy.  Yes, Aggro and AggroControl are the dominant Archetypes.  Our combo is unstable and our control is slow.  Classic Artifact prison is not viable without Workshop or Metalworker - aggro can drop more permanents.  I don't see this as a bad thing yet.

Also, look at the Top 8 of GPLille...

Threshold w/ white and red vs. UWR Landstill
Survival vs. Goblins splash White
Threshold w/ red vs. The Game
Rifter s. Threshold w/ white

3 Threshold decks
1 Goblins
1 Survival (Rec Sur build - not a classic ATS or RGSA variant - 3 Duress/4 Therapies/4 StP - true Survival Control)
1 Rifter
1 Game (combo)
1 SmennenEatsHat.dec

Seems relatively diverse to me:

3 AggroControl
1 Aggro
3 Control
1 Combo

No messing with Mod text, as you know. - Bardo[/color]

I guess so.  Thank God nothing crappy like Illusions Donate or Flame Stax is any good.  I think that the only obvious answer is to play Burning Tog.


Opinions.  All opinions.  I look at Stax and Oath and quickly slip into a boredom-induced-coma.  And the meta unbalanced?  What do you mean?  There are currently dominant decks - Thresh and Goblins.  Neither one does something that is classicly defined as broken (granted, Lackey may be the exception).  Neither one seems unfair or undefeatable.  Kill some dudes or Attack the manabase.  Hell, creature hating decks should be making a comeback soon.  Or maybe something like 3-Deuce with Bolts, Burn, StPs, and Werebears and Granger Guildmages (that little 1/1 that burn or give first strike - roar!)

ROFL!  And the thing was good?  Damn!  Was he able to build an actual solid renimator list or was the competion shaky?  A combination of both?  Reanimator used to be one of my favorite deck types, so I'm damn curious to see it.

edit:  We have some info up on mtgthesource.com

Does anyone have anyomre information about this event?  It is frustrating that SCG posts Vintage stuff nearly immediately, but a day after the Legacy event we still do not have any info.  But I will look on the bright side.  I'm extremely happy to see SCG supporting Legacy.

[random points]HA!  This Firday night, Joe was complaining about the Rods.  He also mentioned that his opponent mullied down to five to find the E-Tutor to fetch the Rod.

Ravager, much like the maligned Illusions Donate, has a suprisingly viable game against the field.  It seems solid against Goblins, can overwhelm Landstill early, and can race Solidarity.  Sometimes it is simply too fast for other decks.  I believe that with the right SB, Ravager could make a decent showing.

Well, congrats to Woosta even though I would have prefered to have an Albany player win it.[/random points]

That breakdown makes a lot of sense.

This looks to be a pretty exciting event for Legacy and I hope it does well so that Pete considers throwing one in the central and/or northern NY area - basically some place that is more accessible to me!  I'm getting quite envious of VA.    

Well, damn I hope that he does, but breaking this format may not be as easy as it seems.  The combo decks are shaky and we sure could use a new one to smack the bad aggro back into place.  And while he's at it, he should build something to kill off that hated Landstill deck    Like I said, my current attitude about breaking the format is "the more the merrier."  The more innovation we have, the more likely we can break this stranglehold that Landstill is developing once again.

So innovate away.

Or get WotC to ban Standstill.

One of my favorite aspects of the SW movies were the dialogues between the Light and Dark side of the force.  These dialogues begin in ANH between Vader and Ben, rise in intensity in ESB between Vader and Luke, and then reach a climax with Vader, Luke, and the Emporer.    Bram said it best with  That is what I like so much about the original movies - this oversimplified version of good and evil.  Evil taunts and tricks you.  You must be smart and brave to avoid its traps.  Those dialogues were almost biblical in nature - like Satan tempting JC to abuse his God given powers.

Ultimately this leads to my biggest complaint about EP1.  It is not the shallow annoying racial stereotypes.  It is not the horrific acting.  It is not that Lucas made Liam deliver lines as atrocious as "you have a high mitochondria count" (or whatever the fuck it is called).  It is not Jar Jar Binks - ok, maybe it is JJBinks...  It is the fact that there was so much wasted potential in the Darth Maul/Jedi fight at the end of the movie.  Where was the dialogue?  Where was the evil taunting?  Where was the gloating?  Where was the personality?  Darth Maul was a wasted character - plain and simple.  With just the right lines, he could have easily been one that we loathed instead of being just a cool bad guy like Dengar or Bib Fortuna.

Side note:  I swear that in the trailer for EP1, I could have heard Darth Maul speak some sort of lines about revenge.  These lines were not in the movie.  Does anyone have any idea what I am talking about or should I crawl back under my dorky rock?

 :shock: Well, that's three less Christmas cards that I'm sending out this year.

Quite frankly, I love 1.5 - it is my favorite format.  There is no way around it, so I must state that my view point about TMD's Legacy forum is obviously jaded by the fact that I'm an Admin on MTS.

If ever I have a passing interest in the current Type I happenings and trends, I visit this site for its well modded and informative forums.  Rarely will I have to sift through one line h4ck3r leet speak or junk posts about bad decks.  Unfortunately, I do not find that the format that I hold dear receives the same serious treatment here that Type I receives.  Let me elaborate:

1.  1.5 has always been overshadowed by its supposed big brother, Type I.  Does adding a single forum to give 1.5 a cursory treatment remove that stigma?  No, it does not.  If anything, it fosters the view that 1.5 is Type I lite since it is not receiving the same developed treatment.  I assume that most of your members and Mods come here for Type I discussion.  When it comes to Legacy, this terse treatment has given TMD a reputation only slightly better than the Legacy forums at Brainburst or SCG.

2.  The 1.5 forums have no organization or inherent quality control.  Look at the Type I forums - you have 4 separate forums.  Look at MTS - we have 4 separate forums for 1.5.  On both sites a user can easily recognize what decks are at the forefront of the meta and which ones would likely make a competitive gauntlet for testing.  On both sites a user can recognize which of the 4 forums will contain the more useful information while which one will have the Newbie and Developmental material that may not be worth reading.  My point is that TMD has only one forum for 1.5 where all manner and different quality of decks are grouped together.  RG Survival is grouped with Retract-a-Bolds which is grouped with TutorMutor which is grouped with Super-Gro which is grouped with tournament reports and announcements.  To be plain - TMD has tier one decks grouped with viable decks grouped with trash grouped with casual decks.

3.  I'm not looking to ruffle feathers, but the Legacy Forum Moderation is not up to snuff when compared to the other TMD forums.  How many ATS threads were open at the same time?  Burn threads?  Stasis threads? 1.5 had been named Legacy for over a month before TMD changed the name of the forum.  I doubt that that forum is the pride and joy of TMD.

4.  A certain degree of misunderstanding of Legacy is continually perpetrated by the TMD forum.  Some of the better decks are not being discussed.  Only three of the six top decks have discussion threads in the forum.  Look at this suggestion about the supposed tier structure of Legacy
If you do not know, it is ridiculous.

I voted to remove the forum since I do not see it doing justice to a format that I love.  If you decide to keep it, I recommend some vast  adjustments that could possibly solve the issues that I have raised.