One time ,my opponent wanted to riffle shuffle by deck, I requetsed that he didn't but informed me that it is "DCI" rules that he has to.  I really didn't want him to, but just let it go.  This was after he threatened to call a judge then have him ripple shuffle it.  I hate people who insists on rippling shuffling, especially without your consent.  It felt good owning him 2-0  

I think SBING sundering titan can really help with the 4 cc problem.  Dragon can focus on drawing with the bazaar engine/protect with xantid swarm, and wait to animate the titan.  The titan just toally wrecks 4 cc whether it is a 1/1, or a 7/10.

Tourny was a good turnout with 30 players.  
Top 4 was Rich Shay (the atog lord), Eric dupuis (ELD), Aaron Kerzner (Kerzkid), and Pat Broderick from Brockton.  Rich, Eric, and Pat all piloted control slaver, and Aaron had 4 cc control.  I played the same deck as Aaron and lost to him in the t8, I went 3-0-2 in swiss.  In game 3 3rd turn morphed angel was pretty rough on me because I kept a 3 waste hand, but he played 2 fetches turns 1 and 2, with drain and FoW back up.  They were some crazy games.  I will have a report coming soon.   Very good tournament.  The player quality was high.

Did you purposely not include time walk, or did you not have it?

Though 500 is based on 50 attendance, which will most likely not be met, I will be there as well.

I think a few people from the Cape and I will be making it up

I am playing hulk vs sui.  He goes ritual hymn I FoW he goes ritual Negator. Next turn waste, waste, null rod.  My only black mana to cast tog was a  jet,

That is ridiclous.  How can you be a judge and rule that.  I cannot believe at a tournmanet such as that, an event like that would occur.  That is basic magic, nothing fancy.  It makes me wonder how much the judges there really know about magic..

I wll be there fa sho

Me too

5 moxen is necessary.  1st turn dryad or whsipers is wat the decfk is looking for.  I think AK is unnecessary with the whsipers and the search is good in the deck.  I like scroll a lot, its running 2 ancestrals and can find gush, which can be game winning.  Floating 2 blue then gushing is starting to combo off.  I like whispers better than AK still.  AK gets hit reb, and its annoying playing verus them in the hulk/ak gro mirror.

Don't quote long posts in their entirety, especially when there are no intervening posts since. -Dr. S

I think the mis-d's are very key.  They are usuall extra FoWs to resolving early dryads, which is very important in the deck.  Generally since you play on the offensive, the mis d's are key to resolving spells.

So anyone plan on going to this??

Nice job Aaron.  This is just a preview of how we will break 5 D GAT.

I haven't played this deck much, but when I've played vs it and had blood moons sided in vs me, they were very slow, when versus control the deck is already a house, blood moon can be an over kill and it slows down the agressiveness of the deck.  Casting 3rd turn moon isnt that good when you could be comboing off, or unloading some serious damage.

Yeah, there are only 4 Saturdays in a month, and if all the other ones are already taken by well known tournaments (waterbury, New Jersey, etc.) we will obviously get the shaft.

I never said ANYTHING the the whole format is based on luck, but I definettly agree with what JP just said.

I know it is most likely fake, but if it is real then it is RIDICULOUS

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Yes, I side out my aks, except 1....Anals are game breaking though, which makes intuition too.  Also to adress what you said about GAT...(I'm certain I only lost one match of the GAT mirror back in the day. Let's not kid outselves, skill decides who wins. Especially in the long term.) That is good, but doesnty prove much.  My friend put the deck together the night before, got 4 hours of sleep, doesnt play magic too often (back then anyways) and he went undefeated in swiss, even beating exerpeinced people with the deck like Kerz.  GAT was just ridiculious and can't realy say much about your play skill.

How does the hulk match have people getting out played?  All it is is who draws more aks, gets the better aks, and resolves intuiton.  Resolving intuition is SO game breaking.  Getting 2, or even 3 anals in your graveyard is ridiculous vs the mirror.  It really is about who goes more broken.

FCG is DEFINETLY unfavorable.  I have been palying tog for a while and taking it to many tournamnets like waterbury, and have tested vs fcg.  When at waterbury my only losses were versus fcg, and big O.  Big O should defiently be in the unfavorable.  Once you've dedded their board and think you've gotten control, they just bazaar squee back into more threats.  Good aggro like fcg and big o are ard for hulk.

Note:  This is not a flame on Type One, I love the format, so don't just respond by telling me to play type two.

         Poker and blackjack.  What is the main difference between the two? Poker takes lots of skill, and some luck, while blackjack takes a lot of luck and a little bit of skill.  How hard is it to decide for the dealer to "hit you" when your total adds up to 11.  Though this may seem irrelevant, poker and blackjack are a lot like type 1 and type 2,  Poker being type 2 and blackjack type 1. Type 1 is highly dependent on luck, and the brokenness rather than play skill.  This is not a complaint about it, but just a discussion.
   
        The reason I bring this up is because of a recent loss at a tournament, and I have discussed it with other people. The format is so dependent on hand drawing, and drawing brokenness.  Cards like Thirst for Knowledge, Goblin Welder, Intuition can change games around in seconds.  I know this is part of the format, but the annoying part is when you know you are a better player then your opponent, but since it is type 1 they just draw more broken so you loose.  It is one of the most frustrating feelings.
   
         Type 1 is not so much skill reliant because cards have such ridiculous synergy and power.  For example, Mindslaver and Goblin Welder.  Thirsting the Slaver into your graveyard is not hard to do, but is commonly done.  Welder is ridiculous with a Slaver.  The synergies that cards have with each other are VERY over powered.  This is one of the reasons DCI doesn't even like to deal with t 1 because of the insane amount of over power in card interaction. Other examples are simply the most powerful cards in Vintage, Yawgmoth’s Will, Ancestral, etc. if many these cards fall into a bad players hand, they will have a tough time losing, either way.  Play skill can be such a little factor because matches can just rely on your opponent getting his/her overly broken cards before you do.  An example of this is the mirror Tog match.  Experience helps, but it comes down to who resolves intuition first, but not who plays it best.  One can have played tog for years, and somebody can pick up the deck with no past experience and beat you because they out broken you with a first/second turn backed Intuiton.

       I know Type 1 is broken, and there is no way it can be stopped. If cards are restricted,  other broken cards will be made. It is just how the format is in general, and sometimes very frustrating. What do you think?

I apologize MODS if this does not belong here or if it is considered a flame.  I just felt that this is something that everyone should know.  Delete it if you see fit.

Greetings Mana Drainers,

Please read this post in it's entirety.  It contains truth of something more detrimental to type one than any decline in Mana Drain material or other related topic.  What I speak of has to do with two men known as Andrew Stokinger and Chris Leather.

Some of us wake up and the first thing we see might be pillow.  It might be a wall, or even a blanket over our eyes.  Andy and Chris see dollar signs.  Everywhere they go throughout the day is a dollar sign here, a dollar sign there.  Then, they found type 1.

I almost feel bad, because I did not see this right away.  I traded with them and I even went to their dual lotus tourney.  If I could I would take it back.

Let me start out with a huge list of things that have me upset.

1.) One of my first experiences with the money-loving twosome was at a tournament at Gamemaster in New Jersey.  What I witnessed through the entire event made me sick.  They basically became the store.  No transaction for a trade or a sale of a card went to the store, only to them.  The even brought some Hippie looking guy along with them to help them out in their vending because I suppose 2 of them was not enough to take everyone's cards.  This to me was VERY disrepectful to the vendor whether he had all the cards people needed or not.  They basically took over and monopolized the store.  I wouldn't be surprised if they do that at all the stores they go to.

The next two are things I consider much worse, things that I heard later when I talked to Ray Robbillard

2.) Apparently, in a match between Andy Stokinger and Jacob Orlove, Andy Stokinger tried to cheat many, many times.  Fortunately, Jacob was attentive and caught Andy every time.  The coup de grace was a situation where Stokinger arbitrarily returned some Squees from his grave with nothing to use them for and quickly drew an extra card.  Jacob asked how many cards Stokinger had and caught him in the act to which the former pro-tour player passed off this 5 billionth "MISTAKE" as due to "an unfamilarality with type 1."  I don't know about you but I don't want a cheater in my format.

3.) Would you say that a Lotus deserves to stay in the hands of someone who cares about type 1.  Not Stok...he simply wants to sell it for money.  So much so that, from what I was told, Andy HIRED pro tour veterans who care nothing about type 1 to go to the tourney to try to win the prize.  I don't know about you, but I think this is very healthy for type 1.(Sarcasm)

Then came the Dual Lotus tourney.  Let's review that glaring disregard for anything fun.

4.) Tournament started 2 hours late.
5.) A second round 2!  WTF is that.
6.) Never any judges and often no one running the tourney.
7.) A blatent disregard for even a polite gesture toward Zherbus.  I mean, I don't care if you are busy.  Guess why you are busy assfuck.  Because of the mother fuckin mana drain.  Without this you would have like 25 people.  Zherbus added 135 people on to that.  God this really gets to me.  Its like Stok thinks he is on a pedastal and all these people are there to worship him.
8.) One of the Loti was beat to shit, basically barely still together.  I understand that this is still a Lotus, but it was as far as I remember not advertised as being in such poor condition,
9.) The tourney ran until forever.  I mean, it took like 45 minutes for each round's pairings to go up.
10.) Could he have at least sprung for table clothes.  WTF.  We have valuable cards and are giving him hard earned money.  Can't he even have had $1 paper table clothes.

and those last few point are key to what I'm getting at.  Stokinger basically STOLE $15 from everyone who went to that tournament.  It is IMHO the duty of a TO to provide a tournament of quality in exchange for the admission he receives.

Consider this:  If you go to McDonalds and order a Big Mac.  How would you feel if the bun was moldy, the lettuce was brown, the beef was uncooked, and the mayo was spoiled.  Well, besides sick to your stomach you would feel cheated.  You would feel like you gave McDonalds $3 and they gave you back a product much worse than they advertised.  I would feel like McDonalds stole $3 from me.

If you went to Stok's tourney like I did, then Stokinger basically stole $15 from you.

This would be bad enough, but consider this.  The whole time, finding a judge or getting some service was damn near impossible.  When you did, the people were rude and unhelpful EXCEPT

YES EXCEPT if you wanted to do business.

Did you look and notice that while you were trying to get a judge for a rules question, there was never less than FOUR people vending at any given time.  Yes my friends, let me make it perfectly clear

ANDREW STOKINGER CARES NOTHING ABOUT YOU OR TYPE 1  
CHRIS LEATHER CARES NOTHING ABOUT YOU OR TYPE 1
OTE CARES NOTHING ABOUT YOU OR TYPE 1
ALL THEY WANT IS YOUR $$$

Since then I have vented to some other  people about my feelings,  I found out the following.

11.) Chris Leather got banned from one of the Waterbury Tournaments.  Out of spite and malice, Stokinger rented Leather a room for Chris to vend in and had little minions lurk around Waterbury to send people to see pathetic little(sorry) big Chris sitting all by himself in a lonely room.  Stokinger denied he was in any way knowledgable of the booking or goings on. I don't know about you but I don't want an asshole who thinks he is above rules in my format.

12.) Come to think of it now.  I remember hearing an announcement at the Dual Lotus tourney to the effect of "if you dare sell cards, we'll throw you right on your ass." A little hypocritical. don't ya think guys.

13.) I have heard alot of people talking about monopolizing of type 1 prices.  I feel that this is largely in part related to Stokinger's engulfing off all things type 1.  I understand this is a free market society, but in the North East at least, prices have sky rocketed even beyoned ebay proportions.  Should we stand for the fact that one vendor has the means to scam the entire north east of all it's good type one cards by ripping off kids everywhere and selling all these cards at inflated prices.  I saw we don't have to stand for it.

14.) Andy has apparently had a recent falling out with a former employee Jeff Anand.  Knowing that Jeff is going to be vending at the next Waterbury, and because he apparently still has a vengance for Ray, is holding a type one tournament the same day as the upcoming open. In my opinion this is a fucked up practice that is consider an unwriten no-no in the world of TOS.  I don't know about you but I don't want a greedy prick in my format.

15.) This is only made worse by the methods Andy used to do so. The general theme so far is that Stokinger and Leather basically are trying to be the big shots and just push everyone around.  They cannot yet understand that they are turning everyone against them with every fucked up thing they do.  Stokinger has tried to force his authority in a place he has no authority, specifically the drain, by posting his tourney announcement, not getting the clue that no one wants it up, as it gets deleted time and time again.


Leather's and Stokinger's love of money reminds me of terrorist's love of destruction.  They can't be reasoned with.  No one likes them.  They feel they are above everyone else.  Are narrow-minded only concerned with one thing above other people(money in their case).  The hold grudges, use brutal techniques against anyone they don't like or anyone who tries to stand up to them, and unless we do something, they will continue to be a disease on type 1 in general.  Please, I beg of all of you.  Take these words to heart and consider all I have said.  If you want to set a precedence that these kinds of people are not welcome in the type one community, now is the time to stand up to them.  Once they realize that it is everyone against them, perhaps they will finally cut the shit, and admit that they if all they want is $$$, they can find it back in type 2 where they came from.

Ive been running gush over mystical tutor.  Gush is good almost anytime, or atleast when u have 3 lands down, or some moxen.  WIth the gush, I have found you draw enough cards to not need mystical tutor, usually drawing into the will.

Ive played this format before, heres my list if i can remember correctly:
5xMox
1xBlack Lotus
1xTolarian Academy
1xTimeTwister
1xAncestral Recall
1xTime Walk
1xGrim Monolith
1xPower Artifact
1xKaverk's Torch
1xExtract (owns the format)  I forget the last card though, ive also tried a hatred deck but it was too inconsistent

Edit: I think the last card was FoW.  THis deck generally goes off turn 1

Yea, the meta was pretty ridiculous..Stasis, highlander, and some other broken decks

Cursed Totem is great. Damping matrix shuts down your disks and cost 1 more, which can be a pain, and usually prevent 1st turns.  Who ever is saying plow is good vs tog is wrong.  Generally tog isnt cast until they have total control, or they know what is in your hand so they can respond as needed.  Many of games I sat with 2 plows in my hand and they winded up being twisted before tog comes out, or just countered from the card draw.  Hulk is a pretty tough matchup, when I played vs it I over SBed.  Mazes are good, but I brought in a moat, and 2 cursed totems which was too much SB.  I wound up loosing good cards in the matchup like misdirection and stifle.  Crypts are not bad too, but once again you start to loose your good cards like stifle and mis-d.  For the 3 spots that people run different cards I ran mana leak as well. I though the matchup vs hulk would be in my favor, but i lost to it twice, beating slaver multiple times.

AIM: Rydeordie164  Not walled. Prefer MWS but will play apprentice

Yes, I took the deck to two tournies and ran petrified field.  It was good, I never had problems with wishing it was a different land, and it usually turned into wasted factories, or another wasteland.

THis deck is soo bad vs slaver.  Ive tested many games and lost most.  It needs null rod, but with 5 mox its meh.  Also, most of the time I have thirst for knowledge I didn't discard an artifact.  I dont see how this is better than control gat.