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Eternal Formats / Creative / U/G Madness - Better with or without bazaars?
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on: April 30, 2004, 12:41:45 pm
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Before JP Meyer 's budget version of U/G Madness came out, I was trying to work on a T1 build of U/G madness without bazaars and had some sucess with it. However, I have recently started to explore the posibility of the addition of Bazaars to the deck. Here are the pros and cons of bazaars in this deck tha I have come up with thus far. Pros: Great card drawing[/list:u]
Cons:Vunerable to Wasteland/Strip Mine[/list:u]
Takes up a lot of space[/list:u]
Can lead to slight tempo losses[/list:u]
After reading these lists of pros and cons I am still unable to come to a conclusion as to which version is more viable in the current meta. On the one hand the card drawing and the madness outlet on the bazaars is outstanding, but its a land drop that provides no mana and can sometimes lead to a tempo loss versus certain decks (espcially after being wastelanded). The other con that I see is the amount of space that bazaars take up. Not only do you have to have 4 lands that aren't really mana sources, but a player playing bazaars would be wise to play with four Squees. The 8 slots that are used there could be used to a greater benefit. So my question to everyone on these boards is, which is the better decision in the current meta? |
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Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Rootwater Theif or Spiketail Hatchling in GayR Fish?
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on: April 24, 2004, 12:58:52 pm
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I think that Rootwater Thief is entirely too cumbersome for Gay/R. The mana investment to make it work is too high. Spiketail Hatchling is probably the better choice for a number of reasons including the fact that a LOT (not all) Gay/r builds focus much of their attention on mana denial, and the hatchling is obviously very good with mana denial.
Just my thoughts.
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Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / GPDC VINTAGE Championship
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on: April 13, 2004, 09:46:56 pm
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Just be ready to take on Hulksmash, Oshawa, and Slaver. Then just SB for a general meta game. I suspect that in a nearly wide open tourny (beause of the number of people) the meta will be rather varied. In that case, just prepare against the best decks and your worst matchups.
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Eternal Formats / Creative / Do we need a Restriction Update?
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on: April 09, 2004, 11:54:32 pm
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Nowadays we'll see a top 8 with 5-7 different lists init, some i've seen(smaller scale than sylvan quality toureny, but still), that have 8 distinct decks in the top 8. Quantifying the diversity so far: 232 Top 8 decks in 6 months 43 archetypes (average of ~5.3 appearances) 24 archetypes with three or more appearances 14 archetypes that average more than 3% of the decks in a monthly report 7 archetypes that average more than 5% of the decks in a monthly report NO deck that averages more than 8.3% (Hulk) of a monthly report. NO deck with more than 21 (Dragon) appearances. Diversity is a good thing and right now restriction would hinder rather than help it. CAN YOU SEE HE IS SERIOUS LIKE EBOLA IS SERIOUS? Trust me, guys, you'll know when there's quantitative reason to be worried. I'll put it in my sig and everything. I mean, I'm not exactly conservative with my B&R ideas here (oh man Ferrett changed my title on that one :p ). I consider it my gift to the community to forestall 90% of the 'restrict X' conversations before they begin. Which means I'm all anxious for there to be one, because arguments are fun when I'm the one with all the numbers. ;-D Until then, permanent Black Lotuses, tempo swings the size of Smmenen's articles, and combo decks that make you run a little graveyard hate are all a-o-kay. I must agree that there is not really a reason to be worried right now, the meta seems perfectly diverse to me. The fact that the meta seems a little fast right now (and probably is) doesn't mean that we need any kind of restriction update. We need restriction when for instance everyone is playing GAT, and we did get a restriction (Gush). The format is healthy, just load your SB up correctly and you should be fine. |
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Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Questions about Ray's UR Landstill, Hadley 4/3
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on: April 08, 2004, 10:57:23 pm
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Just briefly looking at the meta in that tourney, I am not suprised that he would do well with only 3 maindeck removal (minus of course the disks). I also think that the 5 moxen is good move for several reasons that you have said. The major one is getting out Standstill faster... turn 1 Standstill due to the acceleration of a moxen is great, just awesome. Also faster disk (without having to drain into them) is always good even if it annoys your mana base, the idea is probably to get off to a banging start.
However, I do question the use of the Cunning Wish in this deck, quite odd. But obviously it worked for him.
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Eternal Formats / Creative / Big - O, my take (kinda weird).
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on: April 08, 2004, 12:29:14 pm
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If you're certain you'll be seeing enough artifacts to justify 4 maindeck Oxidizes, you might want to consider Hidden Guerillas. 5/3 tramplers for 1 have their applications now and then. The Guerillas are not bad, but Gibbons are much more likely to trigger even against some of the artifact decks. I wouldn't connect Guerillas to Oxidizes though - Oxidize serves a completely different function, and plus, by the time the Hidden creatures are triggered it might be much too late. @Zanetanos101: Is there a reason why you keep on cutting the Sol Ring? Sol Ring is very useful in this deck, especially when trying to muscle out a Null Rod asap. Typo I think, my bad. |
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Eternal Formats / Creative / Big - O, my take (kinda weird).
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on: April 08, 2004, 12:14:40 pm
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If you're certain you'll be seeing enough artifacts to justify 4 maindeck Oxidizes, you might want to consider Hidden Guerillas. 5/3 tramplers for 1 have their applications now and then. Point taken, I will try to fit them in somewhere. |
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Eternal Formats / Creative / Revised version
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on: April 07, 2004, 07:27:25 pm
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Ok here is my revised list, keep in mind that I have a very balanced meta game with a lot of competitive players. Here is what I am thinking right, tell what you think.
Mana/Lands:
16 - Forest
4 - Wasteland
4 - Elvish Spirit Guide
4 - Bazaar of Baghdad
1 - Strip Mine
Creatures:
4 - Wild Mongrel
4 - Basking Rootwall
4 - Arrogant Wurm
4 - Squee, Goblin Nabob
3 - Troll Ascetic
Spells:
4 - Null Rod
4 - Survival of the Fittest
4 - Oxidize
Sideboard:
4 - Tormod's Crypt
4 - Root Maze
4 - Ground Seal
3 - Maze of Ith
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Eternal Formats / Creative / New Decks Are Hard To Make.
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on: April 07, 2004, 05:53:23 pm
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I partially agree with the original poster's assertion that new decks are hard to make. I agree with this too, and quite frankly before I switched to becoming a dedicated T1 player (about 2 months ago) I played a little bit of T2, and its the same way little innovation.
That being said, there is hope. The last T2 tournament I saw (its in the same shop as the T1 I attend on Friday), someone did fairly well with a G/W lifegain deck.. yes a lifegain deck using janky stuff like Well of Lost Dreams and Ageless Entity for the win. It was pretty cool to see a rogue deck due well in the sea of Ravager that is currently T2. I think the same thing is possible in T1 though, there is always hope. Work on rogue decks people!
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Eternal Formats / Creative / Big - O, my take (kinda weird).
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on: April 06, 2004, 10:19:20 pm
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Living Wish is bad - Survival is your tutor engine. As mentioned 1-2 zealots should be maindeck - along with genesis, a house vs. control, and possibly spore frog (genesis+frog wrecks aggro all day).
Not running wastelands+strip main is a serious mistake that will cost you dearly in all kinds of matchups - vs. dragon, vs. control, even vs. the mirror. Disruption is part of what makes Oshawa viable.
As an additional general note - posting deck lists without further write-ups/discussion is against the rules and can get you banned if you do it enough. Oh sorry, didn't know that... Editing my post. |
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Eternal Formats / Creative / Big - O, my take (kinda weird).
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on: April 06, 2004, 09:44:11 pm
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Mana:
11 - Forest
4 - Wasteland
4 - Elvish Spirit Guide
4 - Bazaar of Baghdad
1 - Strip Mine
Creatures:
4 - Wild Mongrel
4 - Basking Rootwalla
4 - Arrogant Wurm
4 - Squee Goblin Nabob
4 - Troll Ascetic
1 - Spore Frog
1 - Genesis
Spells:
4 - Null Rod
4 - Survival of the Fittest
4 - Hidden Gibbons
2 - Naturalize
Sideboard:
4 - Oxidize
3 - Ground Seal
3 - Root Maze
3 - Maze of Ith
2 - Naturalize
Ok, so this deck is a little different than the traditional Big - 0. Here are my justifications for each card.
Maindeck:
Mana Sources: Self explanatory
Wild Mongrel: I hope this one is obvious, but the idea is to have discard engine/beatstick.
Basking Rootwall: Free spell when discarded, very nice beatstick.
Arrogant Wurm: 4/4 tramples for 3 are nice.
Squee, Goblin Nabob: Fuels Bazaars, Mongrels, and Survival.
Troll Ascetic: Really hard to get rid of.
Spore Frog: As was suggested to me, this plus gensis = tech.
Genesis: Great versus control, good great synergy all around.
Null Rod: Shuts down a lot of stuff.
Survival of the Fittest: Tutoring/discard engine.
Hidden Gibbons: Well 4/4s for 1 are good.
Naturalize: Swiss army knife.
Sideboard:
Oxidize: versus slaver/stax/etc..
Ground Seal: vs. Dragon.
Root Maze: Shuts down most combo.
Maze of Ith: House versus Tog.
Naturalize: More swiss army kife.
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Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / [Deck Discussion] Rectal Sneak Attack, a different look.
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on: April 06, 2004, 06:26:40 pm
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Nice job, glad someone has expanded on the original idea. Looks great to me, the only thing that I might consider are some recurring threats like Shivan Phoenix. Just some thoughts, good job though. Also, you are correct in saying that the issue is getting the Sneak Attack or Rector to resolve, here is my solution. Either Xantid Swarm or Orim's Chant. Simply chant them before casting the Sneak Attack they aren't liable to have that many counterspells castable that second.
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Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Patriot.dec?
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on: March 27, 2004, 10:38:23 pm
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I've heard a number of names for this deck (star spangled slaughter, old glory) and seen a number of different versions.
From my only experience - playing against it in a tornament - I can't say that it is terribly strong. The deck presents a lot of Mana Drain targets, with little else but Forces to protect itself. Siding in REBS was a major windfall for me if I remember - even more control on my side. I was playing U/R landstill at the time. Ok, so essentially, this isn't viable. Thank you for the help. Good thing I didn't go and try to build it. |
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Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Patriot.dec?
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on: March 27, 2004, 06:11:28 pm
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lightning angel? ew.
Here's some ideas (for main and side)
Exalted Angels
Gorilla Shamans
Meddling Mages
Counters
Drawers
REB's and R&R's
Isochron Scepter
Fire/Ice
Orim's Chant Ligthning Angel isn't good? I thought everyone liked Ms. America! |
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Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Patriot.dec?
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on: March 27, 2004, 01:45:29 pm
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There is an extended deck that revolves around [card]isochron scepter[/card], [card]orims chant[/card], and [card]fire/ice[/card]. You might want to try to add power to it but if I were you I would consider what you face first. Anyway don't you think you might be a little to sentimental? Lol ya, I just might be. |
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Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Patriot.dec?
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on: March 27, 2004, 12:18:28 am
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Does anyone know of a deck that is based around just the colors Red, White ,and Blue? If so, what is the premise and could you give us a decklist? Thanks, I am just looking for general ideas because I have 4 Lightning Angels sitting around at home.
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Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Is Keeper a dead Archetype?
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on: March 21, 2004, 09:36:51 pm
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Keeper isn't dead. I would pick the middle ground on this question. Its not too good, but its still viable. I personally would play Gro-a-Tog or 'Tog over Keeper anyday, but I would say that keeper is still viable. I think it will be a very long time (if ever) before we see Keeper being overall "bad" deck.
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