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Solitare Mode, that's how I get my testing done.

Well, I think people were just exhausted and simply didn't have the cash.  Between college books and supplies, car insurance, and other big events like Waterbury, SCG and GenCON, people simply didn't have the money or the energy to go.  It also didn't help that you needed hotel accomendations for the two days and from what I heard it wasn't an easy drive for most.

With so many beaters I would try to find some room for Swords of Fire and Ice.

lol i'm gonna laugh if Z comes here and says "wtf you guys talking about, i've been married!"

If you buy anywhere but MOTL/eBay/and random people at GPs/PTQs then you're silly.

Whoever likes these needs to go play T2 or something...BS DCI logo in BG, wtf is that..

I'm sorry if I am playing "Moderator" here but how many threads like this do we need to see?  Please edit your post because simply giving us a deck and asking us to make it better is just silly.  Our lives don't revolve around coming online, looking at someone's deck, playtesting it and tell you the flaws of the deck.  You need to add discussion, playtesting notes, your metagame and card choices.

Player 's Choice and SuperOrange

1.) Sorry about your father.
2.) Try to get a friend to put your cards on eBay
3.) If #2 fails, www.magictraders.com.  Send First to people with 100+ refs and 3rd party with a mod to people under 100 refs.
4.) Sell to someone on these boards or someone IRL.

Good Luck and sorry for the loss.

I would also like to know about the Florida scene as I might go down there to Full Sail for Game Design and Development.

There is a T1.5 forum for this but I haven't been there in a long time so I forget the URL, ask KirdApe for it, he should have it.

Stupid question, why is this deck still called Fish if you only have one of them?

Uh, how bout you quote what you are replying to because I am lost, lol.

This is control, not combo or scrubby aggro, it has no place.  The reason why decks run Demonic because the card they search for will usually have a huge impact on the game or simply just win the game for that player which isn't true for a control deck, espically Landstill where it doesn't really have "broken" plays.

But you lose cards like REB, Fire/Ice and Lightning Bolt.  The only real advantage card UW has is Serenity.  with Seal and Disenchant, you can pay one more and destroy a second artifact with Rack if you decide to add it to the board of Ur.  Both UR and UW has their advantages and disadvantages.  In a very heavy Slaver field I would probably opt for UW but in a more stable metagame where there is also a good amount of Control and Aggro decks I would take Ur over UW anyday.

During my typing of the post I was strictly thinking of UR and not UW which I haven't tested much, sorry about that, should of made it clear to begin with.

I have good results against Control Slaver; however, most of the games were against randoms on MWS so i'll take your word on that specific matchup.



Wouldn't this be a better comment? "[Insert Deck Name] loses to good players"



This is true, the only thing you can do with a big mana drain is to activate manlands and play Disks for the most part.  The power of Landstill falls not with it's brokeness but it's ability to adapt to any deck and be extremely resilient.  For example, Slaver would have problems against a lot of artifact removal and Hulk would have problems against a lot of graveyard removal.  Landstill has the tools to stop such things. Like Landstill isn't bothered much by decks that have a lot of mana denial, you have Stifle, Response and even Mis-D(against random LD decks, they do exist).



I have to admit, with Mogg, Rack, and Memnarch, Landstill in it's current form doesn't stand a great chance against MeanDecks current Slaver list.  But also note that current Landstill decklists don't even have artifact removal in the sideboard.  Landstill will now might have to SB such cards like Energy Flux and possibly Rack and Ruin would most likely bring the matchup back to where it was which was in Landstill's favor.

Honestly, why don't more people run Landstill?  It beats Slaver and the only time Hulk causes problems is if it runs 3-4 Duress MD with some other tweaks to beat the control mirror.

I run both Response and Compulsion/CoV (If I would go to a tourney tomorrow it would be CoV but Compulsion does have some promise).

RE: Petrified Field.  Yea, adding more colorless mana sources is a bad idea.  You already have Stifle and possibly Responses to stop Strips and with Landstill you need to consisently have double blue and single red (or white) by turn2 which is why a lot of the lists are running 3-4 Reefs.

Well, if your name isn't Shock Wave and play Landstill like an actual control deck and not very aggressivly then Compulsion works very well.   In the past few days of me testing it I lost count on how many games I won with it.  In the middle game it's just so powerful to dig up lands, counters, whatever you need.  Not to mention it's pitchable to FoW and Mis-D.  The downfall is that it's in the 2cc slot which weakens you even more to CotV for 2.

Compulsion is unimpressive against Workshop decks but I have been liking it a lot against aggro and control.

Try Compulsion over Storm/Impulse, it's free draw under a Standstill and digs for answers when you need FI, Disk, Counters, etc.

Yea, the more and more I play it the more unappealing EBA becomes.  Although when I finally get my final 2 moxes I will still probably make it for my meta because it's mainly scrubby aggro with UW Scepter/Chant, bad BAD Keeper (like circa 1993 with Fetchies and Scepters) and 1-2 other crappy control decks.  That and for some reason I don't like playing Keeper much.  I have no clue why, I just don't have a thing for Keeper  

Nope, I always use MWS.  Not sure if I want to make it IRL though (the only 2 pieces of power I don't have is a Sapphire and Pearl) and in my area, no proxies are a loud

Ummm, he's the manager, he runs the store.  Why doesn't he just tell them to change to a more friendly deck or they simply will not be allowed to play?

This thread sparked an interest for me to start playing the deck.  After playing this deck around 30 games, i've been having a REAL hard time with my mana, It just seems that I miss my 3rd or 4th land drop most of my games and against a deck with 5 strips my mana base just gets crippled, anyone else having problems with the manabase instability?  For reference here is my decklist (I started with Wu's and made a few changes of my own).

// EBA

// Lands
    1 Library of Alexandria
    1 Strip Mine
    4 Wasteland
    4 Flooded Strand
    1 Island
    4 Tundra
    4 Underground Sea
    1 Plains


// Creatures
    4 Meddling Mage
    3 Ophidian
    2 Exalted Angel

// Spells
    3 Duress
    1 Black Lotus
    1 Mox Jet
    1 Mox Sapphire
    1 Mox Pearl
    1 Sol Ring
    1 Lotus Petal
    2 Swords to Plowshares
    2 Damping Matrix
    1 Demonic Tutor
    2 Decree of Justice
    4 Brainstorm
    1 Ancestral Recall
    1 Time Walk
    1 Fact or Fiction
    4 Force of Will
    4 Mana Drain
    1 Yawgmoth's Will

// Sideboard
SB: 1 Damping Matrix
SB: 1 Moat
SB: 1 Aura Fracture
SB: 3 Blue Elemental Blast
SB: 2 Coffin Purge
SB: 2 Stifle
SB: 2 Swords to Plowshares
SB: 3 Dust to Dust

Looks at Grand's post.  Ray lost to Duress, B2B.

GI: Where is your Hulk list so I can take a look at it?

FI isn't really Anti-Synergic because you won't cast Standstill if you have a good target for the FI (Lackey, Welder, whatever).  I don't think it would have a lot more trouble with random aggro with FI and Responses.  FI hoses weenies, Response kills they're Strips or Burn and CoV bounces things that you need to stop for a turn.

I did not run 3 Impulse in my deck, it's in the decklist after mine

This is very true.  I play against Shock Wave on MWS when he needs to playtest and he plays a very aggressive game with Landstill but times he does hold back in order to Drain something and have a very explosive next turn.

Wait, what?  Landstill > Tog.  The only time Tog stands a decent chance is when they're running the 5 strip version and the Landstill player is not running any Responses and only 3 Stifles.  And yes, I have tested this matchup greatly so i'm not pulling stuff out of my ass

Adding 5 Moxes is rather harsh but Ray probably thought that it would be worth it to accelerate into a Disk which Slavery hates with a passion.  He probably has the 5 moxes just for the Slavery matchup which i'm sure that a good part of the field was running.  

I think Cunning Wish in Landstill is horrible, it's so anti-synergic with Standstill but then again, with all the artifact mana, Wish does become better but I still think -3 Wish, +1 FI, +2 Response is a superior setup.   Another thing I don't like is the inclusion of 3 Fetchlands.  I would definately cut them for 3 Shivan Reefs to smooth out the manabase.   In case anyone was wondering here is my current list:

// Standstill

// Lands
    4 Wasteland
    2 Island
    4 Volcanic Island
    4 Faerie Conclave
    4 Mishra's Factory
    1 Strip Mine
    1 Library of Alexandria
    3 Shivan Reef

// Spells
    4 Force of Will
    1 Ancestral Recall
    1 Time Walk
    4 Fire/Ice
    4 Nevinyrral's Disk
    4 Mana Drain
    4 Standstill
    3 Misdirection
    4 Stifle
    1 Lotus Petal
    1 Black Lotus
    1 Mox Sapphire
    3 Chain of Vapor
    2 Teferi's Response

// Sideboard
SB: 4 Red Elemental Blast
SB: 4 Tormod's Crypt
SB: 3 Maze of Ith
SB: 3 Blue Elemental Blast
SB: 1 Teferi's Response

My version has ALOT of permission with cards like CoV and Response.  With both Stifle and Response opponents will be very weery of attacking your lands.