LOL, Yea I forgot to write that in. I edited the list to reflect the changes and yes my decklist is 61 cards. On MisD, The only reason I cut it is because there aren't too many targets nowadays especially where I play. Mindtwist is in tog and 4cc, but that's already a good matchup. Ancestral is a nice target, but I don't know if that merits the inclusion. I may cut it for something but the decklist is sort of tight at the moment. One idea I had was cutting one daze and making it a one of. I know this may sound like a bad idea but all the good players I play assume that daze is in my deck and that I have it in my hand so they play around it. Most of the time I don't even have it! It's just a thought, but suggestions are welcome.

I don't know about that. Call me ignorant, but I believe man lands aren't necessary they have good synergy with standstill, but usually I only lay down a standstill when I've got a lavamancer on my side, or enough beats. Conclaves are good in the deck, yes, I do not deny it, They just seem to be more of a hassel than not. Hmmm, I just never liked Kai. I tried him but it just didn't work out. I may still put him in, but as of now, he's out.

I was going to start a new thread on u/r fish, but this since this thread is already up I'll reply here. First, my decklist.

R Library of Alexandria
R Mox Sapphire
4 Volcanic Island
3 Island
4 Mishras Factory
2 Polluted Delta
4 Flooded Strand
4 Wasteland
1 Strip Mine

4 Grim Lavamancer
3 Flying Men
3 Cloud of Faeries
4 Spiketale Hatchling  
1 Gorilla Shaman

4 Curiosity
4 Standstill
R Ancestral Recall

R Timewalk
1 Crucible of Worlds
3 Null Rod
2 Stifle

4 Force of Will
2 Daze
 
SIDEBOARD

2 Maze of Ith
1 Crucible of the Worlds
3 Red Elemental Blast
2 Energy Flux
3 Fire/Ice
2 Sword of Fire and Ice
2 Stifle

My build differs from the original versions a bit, but all changes have been made as a result of a lot of playtesting in tournments and with friends. I cut the conclaves completely because they just weren't getting it done for me. Most of the time they set me back a turn because of the comes into play tapped ability. When I had it in play they seemed to be just too mana intensive to be effective. I put in more fetchlands in to fuel my lavamancer, and get me the colored mana I need. Other changes include the 1 md Crucible of Worlds, but I'll talk about that a bit later. I also cut a Cloud of Faeires and 2 Voidmage Prodigies for 3 flying men, which has been working pretty well for me. (I recieved this suggestion from David Ochoa btw) Not only are they still pitchable to Force of Will, they can come out turn one, and begin the beats turn 2 (hopefully with a curiosity). Other than those changes the deck is pretty standard. Now, to get to some specific points from covetous;



As reflected in the decklist I have tried one Crucible in the main, and it has done wonders. It has won some games for me all by itself, and definately warrants at least 1 md slot, if not 2. In my build, I simply cannot cut anything else, but if I could it would be for another Crucible most likely. Having 1 md and 1 sb has been fine for me. it usually goes in for the mirror, and versus other slower decks, ie. tog. It isn't too good versus fast decks because fish isn't fast enough to use it effectively.



Haha, maybe he just doesn't have one?



Yea, I totally agree with you here, actually the one md Fire/Ice is the card I cut for crucible. however, I do believe it merits a sb slot, because it is absolut house in the mirror, and it's effective in the FCG matchup as well.

Well that's all for now, I'll check back later to see what's new in this thread.

It was the seal by the way, I'm almost sure of it because you were trying to kill my crucible. Haha, congrats on the win nonetheless.

I drew really bad in our game. really bad, but I can't win them all. Congratulations on taking 3rd place, not too shabby my friend .

Hey, this is Joe, aka the fish player. Thanks for the props Ken, I'm glad I was able to win my first t1 tournament at c&j's.

Look out Brian Woo, here comes a new "legend".

Mr Pink (Stealing vintage crowns from good players since 2004)

hmmm, interesting suggestion, that does seem like a good call. not only does it help vs a lot of other decks, it also give you an advantage in the mirror. that seems like a good idea, thanks, ill test it out

ive recently built g@y/r fish and ive piloted it to some success. one card in question however, is voidmage prodigy. though it is a solid card, i dislike the double blue needed to use its ability and that doesnt seem to mesh will with fish since im always tapped out. i was wondering if i should go back to the decks humble roots and use the once staple rootwater theifs? to me at least, they seem the better choice as they usually are a must counter spell. i havent seen them much in T1 however recently so it makes me wonder if they are still effecient.

im just looking for some insights into this little diemna im having. for now however, ill go with the rootwater theives. thanks in advance