i'm a bit busy that weekend..... plus i got no cards. but good to see stuff going on in nj and hopefully one of these days i'll manage to muster a deck together and remind you how it feels to get owned by a goat!

of course idk if i can play in a format where they restricted brainstorm.... we'll see i guess

yeah, well.. shit happens. on the bright side.... i don't regret selling my stuff.

i love that ball lightning... i wonder if jeff still has my ninjas.... he still around?

and seriously outlaw, you can't leave yet

while that may be true, if outlaw's collection is anything like is was the last time i saw it he's got some nice cash that could be much better spent if there's no type1 scene. 

what's up there outlaw? i come back just in time to see you leaving? that's no fair....

i hate you.....


side note: i still have an account!!!!!!

jeeze.... i love how i get to find out that roche quit by looking here... i'm such a slacker


-alex

just so you guys know this is roche. alex no longer has any cards. thus..... use the e-mail addy.

and roche..... call me because i love you.

- alex


ps. i didn't quit. i still love each and every one of you

I have my collection of cards I really want to get rid of ... This is more for the bigger collectors ... mainly anand... but if anyone is interested in a lot of drains, bazaars, fbb duals etc... PM me..because I rather give them to a TMD'er rather than some random ebay kid...

I'll give a list and price...the price should be quite lower than expected because of 1. My need for Cash money and 2. TMD = Great..

the email to get me at is unc0de@hotmail.com

Thanks alot guys, hopefully the cards will be put to good use..

also, if you want to meet at a large scale tourney (rochester, waterbury, richmond etc..) That can be arranged IF a sale or deal is garunteed and it can go down...only reason is my father will most likely be driving and I dont want to waste his, mine or your time if nothing will actually go down...

thanks a bunch, and good luck in all your type 1 endeavors..

The goats will be there.....

even though we quit magic...

but i'll be playing suicide.

As of today I have quit magic....I love the game...but my life leave no time for magical cards...

I figured I just wanted to thank themanadrain.com and its members for the greatness over the years.
I wanna say thank you to waterbury and its attendees for making many a weekend spectacular.

and I wanna thank my teammate alex crestfield for putting up with me when i was annoying, drunk, or without sleep.

and as a conclusion...if anyone wants to buy my collection (bazaars, drains, workshops, fbb duals, power etc) lemme know
unc0de@hotmail.com

and thanks again and good luck to all those still playing....

and who knows...maybe i'll show up at a waterbury down the road

cheers,

Roche.

So lets recap...

4rd tourney
cut to top 8

draw round 1
dominate rd with no torubles
dominate game 1 of rd 3, mess up game 3, but STILL win.
draw round 4

top 8 get paired vs bad blue.dec with 20 counters that was only top 8 b/c it had no real competition?

yea... we went nowhere...


and yes.
nothing can stop me from talking shit.

RAWR.

We will be at waterbury
we will be in force.
we will obviously win

OH PEACE

honestly, i'm quite happy with our results.

as for mouthing off, i'm pretty sure that no one can possibly keep roche from trash talking.... no matter how poorly he does... ever

btw, my inner fat kid is an emo kid that stays up till 4am the night before JUST TO SAY..

Goats Own The D

GOTD.

etc

TEAM GOTD OWNS YOUR FACE.

this is roche

peace.

OMG.... LET IT BE KNOWN...


MY INNER FAT KID > THEN YOURS EVER COULD BE.


ROCK

This IS roche.

we'll be there.....


this is not roche...

who the fuck uses my account.... damn fat kids

mind you - Ray . the taco bell eating CHAMPION - refused to have a battle with me in fear of losing his championship.

I clearly am the fat guy of TMD.

I will do battle for anyone of those who challenge my claim.


BY WAY OF SUMO.

ITS ON TILL THE BREAK OF DAWN!

welll shit ... If the method won cuz of internal fat kid battery....


everyone might as well not show up..


-roche

may be tough... gotta check a few things before i say i'll be there..... but get ready to be drifting djinn owned

Umm... what about when you cross team mutant goat with a random combo playing stick figure-esque homie.

yea, you get 3 guys who will win.

so fuck you and all your witty team names. and ashok, you fat.
Kowal - your ugly.
Meandeck- your posers.
Mexicans- i work with you.
Jews- AMAZING because you have Jor<3 as a member

all other teams/ethnic groups/religions/ugly people/fatties.

Team Goats the championship

team



and






individual


btw, this is roche, alex is here, but I AM THE TRASHTALKER...

anyone who has a problem meet me in the waterbury lobby.

i'll be the guy stabbing jaws.

come up
say hi
and i'll stab you in the jaw.

PEACe.

really it's more like unless your opponent is playing control

1.find tinker via tutors/wish-> tutor
2. cast it
3. game 2

there's very little need to actually go out of your way to draw cards in most matchups and collosus is a the answer to their threats. will (while broken and game ending) is not a necessary part of tog. 

if you're playing against control, then you draw cards.   

on guilded passage, there's a lot of other cards i'd rather run. fire/ice, merchant scroll, deep anal, gifts, gush, rebuild, mind twist, engineered explosives, mindslaver,  boseiju, green.

try searching for old turboland lists from before te gush restriction. there's a lot of cards that would make very good additions (exploration), and you have a lot of 4 of's that i don't think you need (glacial chasm, disenchant effects).... not to mention that you could make your kill a lot more compact.

in addition, i suspect black is a lot more efficient than white. it offeres duress, vamp, demonic, and sickening dreams (much better kill)

finally, workshops help you drop horn/crucible very early 

i can't get off work i may show up late and watch though

loa, boseiju and strip mine are all similar in that they are all non blue producing lands that will win you games with their effects and will be absolute ass most of the time. to be honest i think that boseiju is the new loa.

tog plays very aggressivly espcially with the addition of tinker. in addition you want to either duress or scroll of first turn. thus you will not want to play a colorless source and you will not have 7 cards n hand: loa just doesn't get used.

boseiju is amazing against control. it's ass against aggro, it's like a free waste against fish/stax, and you're dead before it untaps against combo (as if your stuff being uncounterable would make a difference). i expected a lot of aggro control.... which i saw... so boeiju would have been pretty awful all day. oh, and like loa it interfere's with duress and scroll

strip mine is clearly the best of the 3 unless you're playing a lot of control mirrors. if you draw it in your opening hand you kill a land with basically no tempo loss... you both essentially replay your first turn; except that they have one less land than they expected. this mana screws a lot of people regardless of the deck that they are playing and is especially true of workshop decks and decks like fish that run fewer mana  sources than i do. in addition to the random mana screw factor, i gain the ability to cut colors off (i'm actually pretty sure that round 2 i cut off black mana so ultima couldn't edict me). finally the most important reason thati run strip mine is that i expected a lot of fish, fish run factory... so strip mine is creature removal in addition to the random "i win" that can be pulled off with any of the 3 colorless bastards.

given what i played against strip mine was better than either of the other 2 in every game that it came up.

i could see boseju having a slot or 2 in the sb against control but i don't think i'd run it main unless there was a lot of control.

i was very tempted to run at, but the double black as well as the inability to pitch to fow, and i think it reqiires colored mana to cycle (but i'm not sure) put drifting djinn ahead.   

revvik, i find your comments very interesting as i have not had the same experience.... especially since i've been runnning tinker. i'd be interested to know how you did at chicago, and the list that you played.

my bad then... lol. although as janky as djinn is.... it fits very well. and i'm pretty sure the reason that method (1st place) isn't posting a report is that he has some future plans with the deck so doesn't want to put the list up. 

revvik, i've been playing tog since before meandeck made it big, and in all of that time i think i only used tog to remove cards for anything other than swinging for the win once or twice. if you're trying to reslove tog rather than holding it to pitch to fow then you're generaly in a winning position as it is. besides, anything that you could wish for you could just as easily wish for vamp-> will. it's not like there's a lack of things to wish for when you don't have tog.... there's still 15 sb cards, plus anything you've removed.

oh, and it's not that i kill with darksteel a lot.... it's like practicaly every time.

good for you. feel free to run something less "stupid" like a single u/w "duel" and decree. however, accusing me ov gloating and calling my deck stupid... in addition to attemping to hijack my thread with your list, is completely uncalled for. 

yes, decree is a much better win condition than drifting djinn.... assuming that you run enough white sources to cycle it whenever you need to. clearly i do not and running a single tundra (u/w dual) would not change that. as ray said it would be detrimental to the mana base.

gloat... wtf? over a 30 person tourney (no offense)... i don't think so; if i wanted to gloat i'd run mountian goat (and if you've seen my binder you know why). the entire point of this thread isn't that i placed well at all. the point of the thread is that tog is irrelevant because of darksteel collosus, and that the secondary win condition (usualy tog) can be more compact and less dead than in other tog lists. thus why i called the deck tog in  spite of it's lack of tog.

jp meyer messaged me yesterday with something along the lines of this:

jp: haha, people are mad that you're not running psychatog.
me: why?
jp: because they haven't realized that you kill with darksteel almost every time.

that is why i posted this.

in addition, i'm not even the person who came up with drifting djinn.... ray (post above this) who runs waterbury, made sensei, and i believe has played on the pro tour suggested it to me. as i said above, mad props to ray... it did exactly what it was supposed to do... and until they print a decent wishable win condition there isn't a better suited win condition in my colors.

i will give a tentative yes.... but it's a bad weekend for me

shop aggro has a much better combo matchup because of it's mana denial aspect.

ca rolls to combo.

i think ca is more fun.

thanks;)

while in some ways it is similar to meandeck gifts, it is profoundly different. first is that intuition/ak is actualy faster than gifts. in my first 2 rounds i played against gifts decks that ran scroll so for all intensive purposes they were meandeck gifts(not to mention that i have tested the matchup). in the first match i was able to resolve my intuition before he could gifts and find the counter(s) to stop it. so while it may be possible that technically gifts is a better draw engine; intuition/ak is able to be executed faster which is more desireable in the machup. the second match was a draw, and while i got outdrawn the first game, the second game i came back by drawing a lot of cards... a double tutor w/ gifts would not have been enough to get me back in the game.

i'm a big fan of gifts... but i do think it suffers from a lack of real drawing. this deck does not. in additon, cunning wish serves a similar purpose as gifts in that it will tutor up tinker (vamp in the sb), or just generally gain advantage.     

i would not run recoup in this deck. i considered it because it would alow me to do nuts things with intuition as well as allow me to run gifts, and it would allow me to get back a countered/duressed will. it was awful when i drew it. it slowed me  down, and made my game vulnerable to grave hate when it didn't need to be. in addition, the only targets for recoup are scroll, tinker, will, and walk. you don't want multiples of those except walk.... which isn't amazing. also, while those are all broken they are not a crucial part of your game plan in most cases so spending time setting up a recoup play means you're not wishing or drawing cards with ak. of the cards than can be recouped the only one that matters is will... and as broken as will is, i don't need it. basically it was just easier to do silly things without recoup... and drawing recoup sucked.

duress is very good against gifts and allows you to play a more aggressive role in the matchup because you are decimating their game plan when ever you feel like it.... not when they feel like starting a counter war. in one of my games against gifts i duressed his gifts on turn 1 or 2... he never game back. duress disturbs their first few turns by taking things like brainstorm to stunt them, or gifts to make them find another copy. it also gives me knowlegde of where i need to focus my game. duress also hits things when they are not ready to protect them. mis-d only helps win the counterwar when they feel comfortable starting one. i'd rather attack them when they are not ready.  finally, i found that i could effictvly win counter wars with either with no signifigant difference... but that if loosing a counterwar misdirection did a lot more damage to me than duress... and i was a lot less likely to start a war that i couldn't win   

and i would not sb a gifts because i already have scrying which is a better mid to late a game draw spell in this deck. i also have vamp if i need a tutor. so gifts would do nothing that i don't already do.