We are afraid that with a convincing argument and no one saying otherwise we'll have our first broken card banned...

I don't think it needs to be banned.  But one of the best T1 players calls for the banning, writes an article and WotC putting their nose into this discussion is not what most magic players want.

Wayne

Ummm...  Haven't we been abusing every card in the format since '93...   Just some of the cards get more lovin' and come up more and more.   That doesn't mean you have to ban a card cause it's broken.  the whole format is broken.  was broken.  and will always be broken.

Late game broken Yawg's Will = a win.

Wayne

Why not have someone at the Chicago SCG Type 1 have a data sheet to record the number of times YW wins you the game when playing.  You write down what you were playing and playing against and the number of times in the match YW won the game.

Wayne

I could never be that cool!

Wayne

The available card pool is forcing proxies.  It will someday collapse under the weight of the demand.

Wayne

Yeah it is collectable and it is a game.  

Where does the Type 1 format go when it is 1000 bucks for each piece of power and there is only 1 set of power for ever 50-100 type 1 players.  When proxy events are the only type 1 events ever and WotC drops support for the format due to lack of card pool based on the demand fer existing cards.   Then we will have a drop in card prices.

I went to the SSG Type 1 in Rochester...  There was tonnes of proxied cards.  Most were the power 9 and the prices are healthy and high.  WotC wouldn't flood the market all at once for these cards but release a limited number of them...  Do a series of them x/x number of cards...  You would know exactly how many of these cards have been infused into the game.   With Alpha at 2.6 million cards and Beta at 7.8 million cards there just isn't enough cards to keep up with the demand.  I'm not about to do the math on how many power 9 cards exist in the world.  Then how many are sitting in collections or destroyed.

So we are left with proxy events.  Because if WotC doesn't change their mind about reprints we'll have a format that no one can afford unless they bought in early or tonnes of disposable income to spend on Type 1.  This is a touchy subject mainly because it involves dollars.  Someone bought the original card and uses it for a game.  It cost them money.  They want to sell it someday hopefully for more money than what they paid for it.  

Wayne

I would suggest using a copy of Karn.  It would help the win without being able to get Sundering Titans into play. 

Your missing Brainstorm.  It is too good not to use.

Wayne

Hmmm...  I think it is time that WotC does something to this problem with good hard to find cards.  ie Power 9 and other random 50 dollar or more cards.  They have reprinted Sol Ring as a DCI foil and why not start adding to the list of DCI high end foils...  I see them hitting Demonic Tutor and then doing the unthinkable.  DCI Foil power cards...   Have them for tournaments that they run.  Top 8 get 1 of each of them and then what ever is left over goes out randomly to who ever sticks it out.

With events running as proxy WotC is losing stats for how many games are being played in the different formats.  I would like to see them start allowing proxy events as DCI events. 

As for the number of proxy cards that should be allowed is 10.  This gives you the P9 and a LoA.  Then if you want more...  1 buck for each of them.  But people have to get a sharpie and write the name of the card they want to proxy on it.  None of this pen crap...  and use light colored cards like plains and such...

I know a lot of people have spent thousands on buying power and such...  But more cards are needed for the format.  If there was more cards available this wouldn't be a discussion on the number of proxies allowed for events...

Wayne

It is simply perception of the casual players that they can't compete with the tier 1 and 2 decks.  if you play rogue you will lose.  If you play fun you lose.  If your deck isn't one of the many named TMD decks you're not a serious threat.  The Slaver deck will simply out draw and out counter your fun deck.  The good blue cards (ie FoW, Drains, card drawing cards...) that will tear apart the casual non-blue deck.

The skill level that a serious type 1 player has over the casual player is another problem.  The casual player is playing a deck that was cool from 3 or more years ago or is a combination of new and old cards.  Uses more fun cards and ends up being more creative in card choices rather than using cost effective cards that bring the highest yield of advantage.

I think we may have killed the casual player...

Wayne

It is the creature count that hurts Lightning Greaves.  You have 4 Goblin Welders, Pentavus and Platinum Angel.  The creature count is too low to support it.  While it helps keep GW alive longer against the top decked burn spells...  If you add more untility creatures to the deck then it increases the performance you need out of Lightning Greaves.   Too many creatures and the deck ends up becoming something else...

Wayne

I'd say that the Lightning Greaves are a good solution.  If your GW was going to die to an instant it would happen on your end step anyway...  No real loss.  But if it resolves you've got yourself a well protected GW or any other creature that you'd rather not see die.

Wayne

The first play of your turn is a pithing needle.  Naming Goblin Welder.  (Assume you're playing against CS)  Your opponent now has an artifact he needs to kill before his welders go active.  You need to shut him down long enough to win.  If he gets his welders active you're probably going to need to deal with a Mindslaver... 

Wayne

It is all good.   I now play Magic: The Borrowing

Wayne

A year and a half ago I was using Workshops and Bazaars in a mask deck here in Ontario, Canada...  I think this is a better choice due to the Null Rod issues in the meta game.

It is nice to see 2 broken cards being used in deck and be competitive...

Wayne

Hmmm...  I sold my collection of T1 Magic cards and bought me a car I've wanted for a while.  I commute a long distance so that influenced my decision.

2003 Volkswagon Jetta, Fully loaded Turbo Diesel.

So now i'm stuck playing budget decks...

Wayne

Then the seller is the suck!!!

And it all falls under the read the terms and condition...

Wayne

it is sketchy at best...  He says read the terms & conditions and the ones that didn't bid on it.  Does the Ebay rules over rule the terms that the seller put on his items...

Wayne

Yeah I was about 5 minutes from bidding...  Read the fine print for some reason and found that statement.   I emailed the winning bidder and he is contacting the seller.

Wayne

Last time I played something rogue, I ended up 1-3 with what I thought was a solid build on the Kobold Combo.

Wayne

I once played a Shahrazad deck.  It did ok...  I didn't use the tormod's Crypt as the rules on main game and sub game hadn't been changed quite yet.

Burning wish would be great in the deck if it wasn't for it being restrited.

Wayne

I ran this deck a few months ago at the Ontario Vintage Championship.  It got me 2nd place and a Bazaar of Baghdad.

Wayne Oickle: Halo.dec
1 Duplicant
4 Goblin Welder
4 Juggernaut
4 Phyrexian Dreadnought
1 Platinum Angel
1 Solemn Simulacrum
1 Triskelion
1 Ancestral Recall
2 Brainstorm
1 Demonic Tutor
3 Duress
4 Illusionary Mask
2 Intuition
1 Memory Jar
1 Time Walk
1 Tinker
1 Yawgmoth's Will
1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Sol Ring
1 Bloodstained Mire
2 Island
4 Mishra's Workshop
1 Mountain
2 Polluted Delta
1 Strip Mine
1 Swamp
3 Underground Sea
3 Volcanic Island
2 Wasteland

Oh and the deck name is a real long story!!!

Wayne

Wayne doesn't suck...  Just trying to break magic...

Good trip and we'll figure out who got 3/4 on the weekend...

Me "Secret"

4 Force of Wills and 4 Mana Drain main deck will help alot!

Wayne

What about thirst for knowledge?  

Wayne

An extra 10-15 minutes for watching 2 control decks try to kill each other doesn't sound like fun.   Does the DCI tournament floor rules allow for any time limit to be used?

Wayne

Build a deck that you like to play.  Modify it so it will compete.  Then if you still can't get it to win then build something else...

Wayne "Voted No."

Most decks can beat dragon given speed and control against the combo.

http://www.themanadrain.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=16138

Even this can...

Wayne

it has to be bad when your about to put main deck hate for your own style of deck.

Wayne

@ raye:  You play a solid TNT deck!!!  

Wayne (played Dreads at Ontario vintage championship against you)

Nothing like a little R&R to ruin my deck...    I've thought about adding Memnarch to the sideboard to help with the control matchup but I figure it isn't going to work.

Wayne