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Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Re: The performance of Oath at Waterbury
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on: February 10, 2006, 01:03:29 pm
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@Harlequin: What is your Oath build? Also I'm not making up numbers against Fish, I really don't have much of a problem beating it with Oath. As for your list no one runs Waterfront bouncer, Karakas, or extract. I can say I've never had to play against those in a tournament yet.
When Oath decks have trouble versus creature based decks, unless they run spawning pit or goblin bombardment, then I think you've built your deck wrong. Goblins and ocasionaly Fish(U/W) are difficult match ups for my Oath build, but the only matchups I really consider hard are the mirror and Gifts. If you run GWS Oath you can easily modify it to fit you meta. If duress sucks try chalice in its place or if you see lots of FCG you can run pyroclasm md, though personally all you really need is to have a md bounce and hit the warchief when they go off.
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Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Re: The performance of Oath at Waterbury
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on: February 09, 2006, 11:34:31 am
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How is Oath losing to Fish? I can say I've never lost a match to Fish with Oath yet. Oath should really like to play Fish as it is a creature deck that won't swarm attack you in one turn. The only way you should lose to Fish is if you run no way to deal with med mage, which unfortunately I see too many Oath builds not run even one md bounce spell.
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Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Re: The performance of Oath at Waterbury
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on: February 09, 2006, 04:03:53 am
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A team mate and myself both played Oath Day one of Waterbury. The builds we played were GWS style with a few changes for the metagame. We were both on winning streaks till the last 3 rounds where we got bad matchups or just had bad luck. So it's not that all the Oath decks were built wrong it seems in my case anyway all the top Oath decks started playing eachother in the final rounds of swiss, knocking eachother out of contention.
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Eternal Formats / Creative / Re: A viable WW?
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on: February 08, 2006, 07:11:49 pm
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The only thing I have to say about your build is Suppresion Field and fetches = wastes/strip is not good synergy. Chances are you are tapping out every turn casting threats so you won't have 2 or more mana to activate you lands which hurts you.
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Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Re: Life from the Loam in the Oath mirror
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on: February 03, 2006, 02:46:02 pm
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It's not that I have trouble with the Oath mirror, it's what happens when they have Tinker--->DSC up before you. I know GWS Oath does not run any bounce main or sb so how do you deal with thier DSC if they have it up before you? Also how do you deal with Orchards supiority if you do not run lftl or crucible?
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Archives / Tournament Announcement Forum / Weekly 10 proxy T1 tournaments
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on: February 02, 2006, 08:15:36 pm
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Area 51 in Cortland, NY will be holding T1 tounaments every Saturday.
Time: 3pm
Entry: $5
Proxies can be written on basic land or you may use printed out versions if the paper is very thin. If you have questions about your proxies you may ask the T.O. to check them. Please put correct name and casting cost and all revelent game text.
Prizes: all money collected will go towards prizes, so the bigger the turnout the better the prize. Store credit will be awarded to the winner, if we get enough then 2nd and 3rd will also recieve some credit.
The tournaments are very relaxed and everyone that shows usually has a great time. I should mention the store is kind of small but we can hold up to 20 or so. So if you are in the central New York area and would like to hit a fun, relaxed tournament feel free to stop in.
If you have any questions or need directions feel free to call the store at (607) 218-0103.
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Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Re: Life from the Loam in the Oath mirror
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on: February 02, 2006, 05:57:32 pm
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Moxlotus you bring up some good points. I have not had to play Life against stax as there is none in my area, but I can see where crucible would now be better. I am going to try it out in place of the lftl. Do you think running one md and one sb is good or should I run 2 sb?
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Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Life from the Loam in the Oath mirror
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on: February 02, 2006, 07:58:19 am
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A friend of mine and myself have been trying to come up with tech for the oath mirror. We both like Tinker/DCS but you need more than that to win as our builds at least, run bounce. After much testing of the mirror we've decided the key is who has more Forbidden Orchards in play. Once we tried LftL in the maindeck as a one of we really liked it. LftL was winning every mirror match we came up against. My team mate decided to take Oath to the most recent Waterbury and played 2 or 3 mirror matches which he won. He decided to run an additional LftL in the sideboard and it paid off big time. Anyway let me get to the point of this whole thing. Has anyone else tested Life fron the Loam in Oath? Did you like it? if not why did it not make the cut?
Discuss.
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Eternal Formats / Global Vintage Tournament Reports and Results / Re: Ongoing Waterbury Results
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on: January 30, 2006, 09:07:42 am
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Ray, great tournament once again. I'd like to say 'gratz to Josh for winning. I played him round 6, I believe, his deck was amazing as was his play skill. I'd also like to say gratz to my team mate Terry for making top 32, way to go man, Life from the Loam owns the Oath mirror. Also props to my big multicolored top hat  . |
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Eternal Formats / Creative / Re: A viable WW?
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on: January 11, 2006, 06:57:18 pm
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My point was that blessing doesn't trigger as it is now RFG. Thus a timely swords on the angel can win you the game. Unless of course they are boarding iradescent/pristine. But then the kill is too slow anyways. You must not know what the samurai does at all. Blessing is not a permanent and is not affected by the samurai. Permanents are lands, creatures, artifacts and enchantments the are in play. They are not permanents in your hand or library or anywhere but in play. The blessing will always trigger if you have a samurai in play. The reason samurai sucks is it doesn't hose graveyards as much as people think. It stops Dragon and welding but that's about it. It's useless against Oath, Gifts, and most other decks I see in my area. |
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Eternal Formats / Creative / Re: A viable WW?
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on: January 11, 2006, 08:39:26 am
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None of the existing Fish builds run both Chalice and Null Rod MD. This is untrue. Meandeck U/W Fish runs both. There is an article on Starcitygames about the deck. The reason you want both is to increase your chances of stopping powered decks acceleration on turn 1. If I'm playing first I like my odds better if I have 7 ways of shutting down artifact mana on turn one. |
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Eternal Formats / Creative / Re: A viable WW?
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on: January 09, 2006, 05:15:52 am
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Well I was going to respond to wake of destruction but Sgt. Pepper said everything I was going to say.
Thank-you.
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Eternal Formats / Creative / Re: A viable WW?
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on: January 07, 2006, 12:01:46 pm
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Why would you play a strictly inferior deck (your WW, with no card selection) when you can play a strictly superior one (U/W Meandeck Fish, with Brainstorms and superior disruption)? Well because I hate Fish. I know U/W Fish is superior but once again I didnot start a Fish thread. I started a thread about WW because I had a decent idea for a deck and wanted to post it and get some feed back on it. If I do want to discuss U/W Fish I'll find that thread and post my thoughts. |
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Eternal Formats / Creative / Re: A viable WW?
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on: January 06, 2006, 03:19:19 pm
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Yay, another WW thread!!!! Everyone says WW is currently not viable but I wonder with all the recent additions and deck trends if this is still true. Well there is White Weenie, it just slashes Blue. The difference is that you drop Blue in favor for green. That doesn't allow you to play the best White Weenie creature = Meddling Mage. And you lose the Brainstorm Drawengine in favor for more creatures. That leaves you with no carddraw engine. The blue slash enabled the other deck to play Force of Will over your Seals. Force seems to be a better distruption card. You play Whipcorder over Stormscape Apprentice. Both creatures with the same ability. Your Whipcorder cost one aditional mana and has one power more. So they serve both as good as the other. The only gain of slashing Green instead of blue is that you can play Oxidicein your sideboard. That seems to be a bad tradeoff. If I wanted a discussion of a Fish deck I would have started a thread for one. All I want in this thread is how to improve the build of WW I posted and if the deck is even viable in any tournaments. |
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Eternal Formats / Creative / Re: A viable WW?
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on: January 06, 2006, 10:03:45 am
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Have you tried Ray of Revelation instead of Erase? The Ray is a more mana intensive and won't save you from the T1 Orchard, Mox, Oath hand, but it is more effective against their counters. I would also defiantly keep the Chalice of the Voids in, instead of the Samurai's. With 4 Javelineers, 4 Chalice, 3 StP, 3 Rod and 3 Whipcorder that little Welder becomes a lot less scary. Wasteland does almost nothing against your deck to begin with and Dragon isn't played all that much. Besides, you have 4 Chalice, 3 Rod, 4 Kataki, 4 Wasteland, 3 Stp, 3 Seal of Cleansing and 4 True Believers against them as disruption. Seems good enough. The Samurai also does next to nothing against combo, except perhaps stop a second Black Lotus fro being played by Yawgmoths Will. Remember that the Samurai only stops permanents from going to the graveyard.
The only thing I would change about your maindeck is the addition of more fetchland. This deck has no card draw so it should try to optimise it's draws as much as possible. Well I actually forgot about Ray of Revelation but I probably will add it to the sb over erase. Chalice will probably stay in as I've tested the deck some now and like the original build. I'm going to cut a couple Plains to run more fetch lands, I just don't need 12 plains. |
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Eternal Formats / Creative / Re: A viable WW?
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on: January 05, 2006, 05:27:33 pm
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I also believe that with CotV, Null Rod and Kataki you have enough artifact hate out there. Therefore there would be no need for Oxidize. Taking out those 2 Savannah's for 2 more Fetchlands would be better in my opinion
good luck! And if they set CotV at 2? You need oxidize to deal with the Chalice that will wreck this deck. As for the broken combo starts all aggro decks have trouble dealing with them. It's always a risk you take by not playing FoW in your deck. I may try reciprocate(what does it do?  )even though I despise the card. I may cut chalice to run SotPC and a fourth null rod. |
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