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1  Eternal Formats / Creative / Re: Sui Black - Let's try this again.... on: August 28, 2007, 10:00:07 pm
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And i know i really liked having 8 duress effects in the deck over 4 duress 4 hymns.  With all the mis-d's running around these days i REALLY prefer unmask.  (not nearly as bad a thing to have it misdirected, you can always fail to find in your hand.)

Cabal therapy seems like and obvious choice here, it helps keep the average CC of the deck down so you don't get rocked by bobs.
2  Eternal Formats / Creative / Re: SlapJack 2k7 (ok, Bob-Bomberman) on: July 06, 2007, 10:46:53 am
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I don't think this deck wants to go much more combo.  It's a control deck at heart.  If you're interested in playing something more in that direction, I'd suggest Oath>Salvagers which used to look like this:

http://sales.starcitygames.com/deckdatabase/displaydeck.php?DeckID=18813

Given that it usually wins by beats, I don't see the need for Conjurer's Bauble or Jotun Grunts.  Bauble is win more, Jotun Grunt takes this towards fish-esque builds.  Just my 2 cents.


grunt is insane in the three color build, which typically tends to be the aggro/disruption build, I would suggest that if you prefer the control version of the deck to stick with straight U/W otherwise, duress >>> mana drain
3  Eternal Formats / Global Vintage Tournament Reports and Results / Re: 1st (prize Split) at Meandeck open in Columbus. on: February 26, 2007, 05:34:24 pm
Grats on your finish bryan! way to be the 1 man slaver machine!
4  Eternal Formats / Creative / Re: [Deck] Oath on: February 26, 2007, 02:28:57 pm
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2 Chalice of the Void, still in doubt whether or not to mainboard them.

I really like 4x chalice in the maindeck of oath, not only is it insane against just about every deck in the field it is also a good way to spend that drain mana.
5  Eternal Formats / Global Vintage Tournament Reports and Results / Re: REPORT: 3rd @ waterbury day 2 with Bob-bomberman on: February 24, 2007, 10:29:37 pm
yeah, daze came out pretty much every time.
6  Eternal Formats / Global Vintage Tournament Reports and Results / Re: REPORT: 3rd @ waterbury day 2 with Bob-bomberman on: February 24, 2007, 04:32:41 am
I apologize for not-replying soone. I looked into your list a little more, and have been playing it quite a bit lately.

By far, my favorite thing about the deck is the ability to win without the Combo, with ease. While my opponent worries about me combo'ing out with Spellbomb, Lotus, and Salvavgers, you are able to swing away with Jotun Grunts, Mages, and Dark Confidants, just as a Fish deck would, such as WUb.

Congradulations on your finish.  Very Happy


Thanks! I really think the list is pretty savage, my team mate is trying meddling mage over daze, he said its pretty good.
7  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Re: [Deck Discussion] 2.5c Grim Long on: February 19, 2007, 06:48:18 pm
Personally I would never run a pitch list without basics, the ability to find basics may be  an excellent reason to run fetches but I would also suggest that it is on the same tier as its shuffle effect and threshold generator
8  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Re: [Deck Discussion] 2.5c Grim Long on: February 19, 2007, 03:21:57 pm
Basic lands aren't appealing to me because they're weaker than Underground Seas and Bloodstained Mires.  Islands and Swamps provide some invulnerability to Wastelands and other mana denial strategies at the expense of consistency against other decks, which, with most good players abandoning Stax and Fish recently, doesn't seem to be an acceptable compromise or the appropriate metagame call.  Encountering Wasteland decks has become a rarity, and with Empty the Warrens and Thrashing Wumpus in the sideboard, it shouldn't be difficult to win at least two of the three games.

So why not play 5C if basics don't matter?

fetch lands are tech.

No sense was made. 

They're only purpose now is to help give you threshold and shuffle after Brainstorm--hardly worth the great potential for color screw and missing out on Xantids.

I’m running a 2 color build with a 3rd color from the board (green or red) and I cannot remember a time where I have been color screwed with the build.

Aside from that I think you are STRONGLY under valuing the fetch land, helping you get threshold and shuffling after a brainstorm are infinitely valuable, it also thins your deck of land so you have a higher % to draw business (its a good thing) and makes you less vulnerable to wasteland strategies by fetching basics!


Basically, I can think of about a thousand times Ive needed to build threshold or shuffle away some jank after brainstorming for every time you've been color screwed or unable to get the green mana to cast the swarm and have it be detrimental your ability to como out.
9  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Re: [Deck Discussion] 2.5c Grim Long on: February 14, 2007, 11:07:29 am
Basic lands aren't appealing to me because they're weaker than Underground Seas and Bloodstained Mires.  Islands and Swamps provide some invulnerability to Wastelands and other mana denial strategies at the expense of consistency against other decks, which, with most good players abandoning Stax and Fish recently, doesn't seem to be an acceptable compromise or the appropriate metagame call.  Encountering Wasteland decks has become a rarity, and with Empty the Warrens and Thrashing Wumpus in the sideboard, it shouldn't be difficult to win at least two of the three games.

So why not play 5C if basics don't matter?

fetch lands are tech.
10  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Re: Bomberman vs Bob-berman on: February 11, 2007, 02:27:24 am
does anyone even care about this deck anymore? if so i would love to continue discussion on it. thanks.
11  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Re: Mono Red Uba, Discussion on: February 07, 2007, 11:47:01 pm
im no stax expert but i think the main deck pyrostatic pillars should be chalice of the void because they both hate the same decks and you can use shop mana on COTV

PS slice and dice is super tech.
12  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Re: Crosslong on: February 04, 2007, 03:42:59 am
Kobefan, I can't believe you rank Desire that low.


its because desire has 2 blue in the cost, you pretty much never want to see desire in the opening hand unless you have the absolute nuts and usually the only time you cast desire is when you win with pretty much any business spell anyways be it a bargain, necro, will, tinker, tutor, draw 7, etc...
13  Eternal Formats / Creative / Re: Jotun Grunt, how is it used? on: January 31, 2007, 02:33:48 pm
Jotun Grunt   1W
   
Creature Giant Soldier
   
Cumulative upkeep-Put two cards in a single graveyard on the bottom of their owner's library. (At the beginning of your upkeep, put an age counter on this permanent, then sacrifice it unless you pay its upkeep cost for each age counter on it.)
4 / 4

I am seeing a lot of buzz around Jotun Grunt and I initially thought it was really niche card but it seems like a lot of people are considering it auto includes in WW and UW-fish decks. I am wondering how this card tends to play out against the typical land scape. Particularly, how many turns does it usually last. Do folks play the card as soon as they can or do they wait until they think they'd get more hits out of it? What decks does this card perform particulalrly well on and are there decks that you just can't get more than one attack off with? I imagine other weenie decks won't allow you to keep this guy alive for very long since they only really allow instants and sorceries to go to the yard.

Thanks,
-mike

you dont play jotun grunt on turn 1, thats about it though. on turn 2 there should be enough fuel to get a few beats in because you will putting stuff in the yard as well as your opponent

not only does he help hose yawg wills but he can put your arecall and fow's etc back into your deck with a quick shuffle effect you're back in business

he is insaely good.
14  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Re: Bomberman vs Bob-berman on: January 16, 2007, 03:21:03 pm
okay gentlemen, the report/ and decklist are up in the tournament results thread!! enjoy!!

(here's the link)

http://www.themanadrain.com/index.php?topic=31759.0
15  Eternal Formats / Global Vintage Tournament Reports and Results / REPORT: 3rd @ waterbury day 2 with Bob-bomberman on: January 16, 2007, 03:19:22 pm
First and foremost I would like to take this chance to introduce myself, I’m Erik Williams I’m on the RIT magic team and I’ve been playing competitively for about a year. I picked up the original list of bomberman about 8 months ago and have been playing it off and on ever since ( I  tried out pitch long for a while but I’m not ready for a deck like that yet  ).

Bomberman was defiantly a fun deck to play but it was too control based and slow for me, I was always trying to combo out as fast as I could which isn’t always the right game plan. Simon McRae’s u/w/b list from SCG: Boston looked interesting so I picked it up and tested the crap out of it; the end result was the list I took to Waterbury:

Bob-bomberman

    Artifacts: 10
    5 Moxen
    1 Lotus
    1 Sol Ring
    1 Tormod’s Crypt
    2 Aether Spellbomb

    Creatures: 14

    3 Auriok Salvagers
    4 Dark Confidant
    3 Jotun Grunt
    4 Trinket Mage

    Instants: 15

    1 Ancestral Recall
    4 Brainstorm
    3 Daze
    4 Force of Will
    2 Misdirection
    1 Vampiric Tutor

    Sorceries: 4
    1 Demonic Tutor
    2 Night’s Whisper
    1 Time Walk

    Land: 17
    2 Island
    3 Tundra
    2 Underground Sea
    3 Polluted Delta
    3 Flooded Strand
    3 Wasteland
    1 Strip Mine

    Sideboard: 15
    2 Darkblast
    2 Swords to Plowshares
    3 Energy Flux
    3 Trickbind
    3 Chalice of the Void
    1 Tormod’s Crypt
    1 Pithing Needle[/list]

    Main deck choices:

    Daze:
    daze was the latest addition to the deck, and mostly because I needed blue cards. The original list ran Dimir Cutpurse, I think he is a solid man but I was just unhappy with him so I cut him for Jotun Grunt and at that point I needed blue cards in place of duress, I tried extract but it was just awful so daze made the cut at last minute and turned out to be pretty insane some times and other times just getting pitched to FoW, which is fine.

    Jotun Grunt: he is here for 2 reasons. 1) he is a 4/4 for 1W that hates graveyards and smashes like a champion. 2) Thrashing wumpus.

    Misdirection: I think it is stronger in some situations than Erayo and I like drawing three cards that don’t belong to me. This card is house in testing and was soo good at the tourney.

    Night’s Whisper:
    I’ve always wanted more card drawing in this deck, sometimes I found myself running my hand down quickly then never being able to build a hand back up and you can’t run 4x jotun grunt so this card made its way in to the list. I’m still not sure how good it is, I drew cards with it this weekend and I think it was good but I’m still not sure it’s the best option, I’m open for suggestions.

    Sideboard:
    to be brief, my sideboard sucks, it sucks hardcore. The only cards that I felt pulled their weight were: darkblast, chalice, pithing needle, and maybe energy flux (I didn’t bring in E flux very often but when I did, it did its job). I’m pretty sure trickbind needs to be orim’s chant and after that I’m really not sure what its going to look like.



     

    Round 1 vs Ross Merriam (SS/trinket fish)
    Match:  game one I pretty much went then combo route early and only saw U. seas and some blue stuff on his side so I thought he was playing pitch long
    Sideboard (1st): -3 daze, +2 chalice of the void, +1 trickbind
    He leads with fetch, mox passes the turn. I try to resolve a dark confidant which gets forced or dazed, I can’t remember. Then he resolves a trinket mage for sensei’s top. I realize I sided completely incorrectly and shortly after a counterbalance comes down I run in an a recall like a total noob and he obv. Swaps top and wrecks me, I scoop them up shortly afterwards
    Sideboard (2nd): -2 chalice -1 trickbind +2 darkblast +1 pithing needle
    My opening hand has land mox confidant misD a blue card and jotun grunt. I keep and aggro him out after drawing a DT and tutoring up darkblast and killing his man that draws cards in exchange for life points
    Record: 2-1-0

    Match record: 1-0

    Round 2 vs U/W fish
    Match:  when I realize he’s playing u/w fish I do a mental fist pump because I have a really really hard time losing this match. I aggro him out game 1 with jotun grunt and trinket mages

    Sideboard (1st): -3 daze +2 darkblast, +1 chalice of the void
    I believe I made some really good trades with my grunt vs his grunt; darkblast might have had something to do with it. I assemble the combo elements and that was all she wrote

    Record: 2-0

    Match record: 2-0

    Round 3 vs Goblins
    Match: we get deck checked at the start of the match so we enjoy some of the other matches nearby, my opponent is a little worried because this was his first deck check, I inform him that its pretty random and there’s nothing to worry about. Game one I get completely blown out by the standard man plan, lackey into pile driver + siege gang, I can’t keep up.

    Team mate Jeff Folinus had finished his match and came over on his side of the table and asks what’s happening I tell him I lose game one and he looks down as my opponent is siding his deck and gives me the oh crap look when he realizes that he’s playing goblins.


    Sideboard (1st): -2 daze +2 darkblast (man this card rocks)
    Game 2 I’m on the play with a fairly regular hand including a Tmage a grunt piece and some counter magic with fetch waste strip for sources. I run the fetch land down and pass the turn he plays bloodstained mire and cracks for volcanic island and passes, once again I throw the mental fist pump. I draw a moxen, waste his land and lay down the grunt. He plays mountain and passes the turn I drew an underground sea I strip his mountain and smash for 4 he doesn’t rip another land for a few turns and I smash the men in for the W.

    Sideboard (2nd): No Change
    my hand is about as good as last time except 2 wastes instead of a strip. He’s on the play and runs out a volc. Then mox into this funny UR creature that pings things that I cannot remember the name of, I force because I like my confidant.

    I play a mox and a waste land targeting volc. And pass. He plays a fetch and a lackey I believe and ships it back. I run my DC out there to block lackey but he chooses not to send him in, instead he matrons for siege gang and passes I  time walk at some point and find myself with salvager bob in play with darkblast in had and send my men across and pass the turn, my guys are tapped down but still lackey doesn’t come in (no clue why)  I asked him if he was trying to trick me or something but he says no apparently having another plan but I blast lackey EOT anyways and smash through for some life points and win.

    Record: 2-1-0

    Match record: 3-0


    Round 4 vs U/W vial fish
    Match: . He was one of the matches I was lucky enough to observe while being deck checked. It looked savage with meddling mage voidmage prodigy in addition to the regular fishes. He dominated his opponent round three but I think I have a shot, either way he was a nice guy and we had a lot of fun during the match which is refreshing because I hate uptight players

    Game one I daze an early vial then the grunt piece shows his worth yet again and gets the job done with some blue mage friends which found me some spell bombs to keep him off lots of threats

    Sideboard (1st): -3 daze +2 darkblast, +1 pithing needle
    he gets down an early meddling mage on salvagers when I have a lotus and spellbomb in the yard and salvager in hand I topdeck another trinket mage and find spellbomb, next turn bounce mage and play salvager then combo out.
     
    Record: 2-0

    Match record: 4-0


    Round 5 vs Brian DeMars (Control Slaver)
    Match: I think brian’s description pretty much sums it up so hoping he doesn’t mind ill just throw his in here

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    Game one.  This game makes me sad.  Because I thought I had it.

    The early game unfolded with him having a lot and me having a little.  I eventually set up a turn where I can eot mystical for Recall and use it as bait to resolve my Yawgmoth’s Will.  He has two cards and I am almost positive by the way he is playing that they must be FOW and a blue card.  I’m close.  Misdirection and a blue card for my recall.  I am completely shocked.  “Are you joking me?  In the maindeck?  Of your deck?  That is soooo Random!!!!  What a beating.  I Will, Tutor up a Duplicant for his new Jotun Grunt, exhaust my graveyard so that his old Jotun Grunt will die, draw some cards, and pass.  The turn leaves him with four cards in hand, a Grunt that will die, and a Trinket Mage in play.  However, he has beaten me down to two.  I am also holding Sundering Titan in my hand with enough Mana in play to cast it if he doesn’t play a strip effect.  He draws for the turn.  Brainstorm, finds a Wasteland for my Academy.  And Drops Bob, Bob, True Believer.  I untap, Burning Wish for Pyroclasm, clear away his four guys and hit him with my 4/4 Duplicant.  He is on a three turn Clock.  He untaps and draws nothing.  I untap and draw nothing.  He untaps and draws Trinket mage for Aether Spellbomb.  But does not play it.  I untap, don’t draw a counterspell and lose.  Damn, Misdirection in the main!  Unreal.

    Game two.

    I keep a hand with Island a bunch of gas, no pitch counters, and Ancestral Recall. 

    Island ->  Recall.  He looks at me surprised.  “Really?”  “You don’t have it.”  “I don’t, draw your 3.”  I promptly Tendrils him out on turn three.

    Game three:

    I mulligan to five.  Pyrite Spellbomb, Emerald, Black Lotus, Strip Mine, Sundering Titan.  Yuck.  Guess what?  I lost.

    Brian and I had been chit chatting between rounds in the smoking room (just outside the store) I tell him how I don’t want to play him this round because my worst match-ups are gifts and insanely good CS players, turns out he’s the latter of the two.

    He was classy the whole time and it was a really good match until game three where he just got unlucky with the mulling
     
    Record: 2-1-0

    Match Record 5-0

    Round 6 vs Crossman (Pitch long variant)
    Match: somehow I’m the only X-0 at this point so I don’t get to be lazy and ID the last 2 rounds like I wish I could have but I got to observe Crossman playing one of the previous rounds, I pretty much cant lose to pitch long so I’m in good shape even though I don’t get to ID

    Game one I counter some relevant spells and waste his black sources with the grunt piece doing what he does best (serving with a trinket mage on his back pretending to be a good beater)

    Sideboard (1st): -3 daze, -1 Aether spellbomb / +2 chalice of the void, +2 trickbind
    game two starts out really well for me, he undresses me and his jaw drops because my hand is the stone cold nuts with some lands force, misd brainstorm and the like. Eventually I send out a chalice at 0 which gets countered then go into a trinket mage for another chalice which sticks, I beat for 2 for a while then make a bad play to tap out for trinket mage when I have trickbind in hand and attempt to find the 3rd chalice which I realize I didn’t bring in. As I thought my cotv gets chained at the end of my turn and I grit my teeth a little bit, he builds up some advantage but passes the turn I rip a second trickbind and replay cotv for 1 he duresses me and sees 2x trickbind but he just cant get through the hate

    Note: he duresses for my misD but I think he forgot about it so he was trying to play around it the whole game when it was in my GY which is good for me because I think he would have gone off after chaining my chalice because I pretty much had my pants down after that

    it was a good match, he’s a really good player and a nice guy so it was fun

    Record: 2-0

    Match record: 6-0

    Round 7: I get paired up against friend and teammate Mike Hetherington we ID and go to the Shell station so I can refuel on energy drinks and listen to the DOTA techno song.

    TOP 8: Ross Merriam

    game one: he wrecks me, I don’t really remember much of what happened but he effin wrecks me

    game two: we have a pretty solid match but dark blast is champion once again

    game three: It was looking really good for me but my resources are pretty much depleted I’ve got a few dorks on the table and he’s got two cutpurses then he plays a recall and I have no force left, he plays time walk then on the time walk turn plays yawg will, okay now its looking bad for me, he gets another 3 cards and a third turn finally it comes back to me he team blocks a salvager I dark blast one and kill one grunt and t mage get in. I pass he doesn’t hit anything and passes my grunt goes down but my men pull it through the rest of the way

    Semi-Finals: Brian champion DeMars

    once again ill barrow his match up analysis because I’m lazy and I have a routing and switching midterm in 3 hours that I haven’t studied for yet.

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    Semis, The rematch V Eric Williams with UBW Agro.

    Game one.  The details of the early game are blurry to me.  All I remember is that he did not have a Force of Will for my Hard cast Sundering Titan.  All of his lands went away.  He also did not have a Wasteland this time to stop my Academy.  I could hold off his attack long enough to play Mindslaver and make his men run into my Wall of Titan.  He scoops.

    I board and shuffle up.  He jokes that “The only way I can beat DeMars is if he mulligans down to five again!”  I reply “Hoping for your opponent to mulligan is always a good strategy!”

    Of course, he keeps his grip of 7.  (I’ll try it).  I throw my 7 back.  I throw my 6 back, and am staring at a hand of 5.  “It worked!”  Says, Eric Williams.

    However, I like my 5 and think it can win.

    I’m looking at

    Polluted Delta
    Polluted Delta
    Mana Drain
    Brainstorm
    Brainstorm

    As long as he doesn’t have a Stifle I’m in good shape to fight his slow aggro deck as long as I hit solid draws.  (I.e., not big artifacts and garbage off the top).

    He plays a land and passes.  Success!  We are getting there.

    I draw Volcanic Island, play Delta and Pass. 

    He plays a Wasteland and Passes.  We did it!

    I draw a Black Lotus, play a Delta.

    He plays a land and passes.  OMG!!??  What is happening?

    I draw COW off the top.  I move into my second mainphase.  He frowns.  I play Crucible of Worlds.  To my surprise it goes through.  I am soooo lucky!!!  I fetch for Island and play a delta. 

    On his turn he plays Nights Whisper and passes.  I untap fetch out another Island draw another Drain and pass.

    (I’ve already won this game, so I will skip the rest of the boring details of the next 10 turns)

    Turn 15:  I hard cast Duplicant, it resolves and I imprint his lone Jotun Grunt.  Life totals are me 13 and him 16.  I proceed to hard cast Sundering Titan.  It comes in and blows up all of his lands.  And one of my Volcanic Islands.  I replay the Volcanic Island for my Crucible of Worlds.  I then Cast Goblin Welder and Pass.  He extends the hand.

    Game two I kept a hand I probably shouldn’t have and he has answers for my 3 men that came way too late, I drew infinite lands and useless cards for some turns and its already too late.


    So there you have the story of my first real top 8, hope you had fun because I sure did.

    Props:
    My teammates for being awesome
    My opponents for being generally relaxed and friendly
    The judges for doing a great job with so few people

    SLOPS:
    I could go on forever here but none of it would have to do with the tournament so ill spare you the details, suffice it to say that we didn’t get back to Rochester until 7 in the morning and It was freezing rain just about the whole way.
    16  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Re: Bomberman vs Bob-berman on: January 16, 2007, 12:53:27 am
    so i managed to take 3rd day 2 of waterbury with a modified list of bob-bomberman, i think it is a really strong list if anyone wants specific details of the tournament i can write up a small report i just wanted to make sure there was any interest first!


    ps. bomberman still rocks
    17  Eternal Formats / Global Vintage Tournament Reports and Results / Re: Ongoing Waterbury Results on: January 15, 2007, 07:00:35 am
    There was a 90 man day 2 event, top 8 was:  2x Cross Long (GGs new long, Crossman WIlkins and Myself), 1 Bob-bomerman, 2 CS (Brian Demars, Jeremiah Rudolf), 1 Gifts (Mike Hetherington), 1 AK Warrens (Seth Levy), Ross Mirriam.dec (trinket mage fish)

    GGs ran train on Stratfordbury, 1 winning yesterday and 2 in top 8 today.

    I was playing bob-bomberman, managed to take 3rd place, couldnt beat demars in the split to finals though i probably didnt derserve to after using up my make-him-mulligan-to-oblivion technique in our swiss match.

    great tournament, cant wait till the next one!


    -Erik Williams


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    E.Truth was obviously the counter of choice amongst most players.

    slice and dice seems much better for any deck that runs red, its much harder to disrupt and you get to draw a card!
    18  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Re: Bomberman vs Bob-berman on: December 20, 2006, 02:04:13 pm
    From the Ichorid's point of vue, I can tell you that it's difficult to play against Bob-Berman. If you add Grunt, that's even worst...
    If Dredge didn't play out that matchup or test against it, he will probably make lethal mistakes...

    Even without errors, the matchup is in favor of Bob-Berman.


    thats actuall really good for me because there is so much hype about this new ich deck and i dont think i have time to get in a full testing gauntlet (still trying to figure out how to beat gifts)
    19  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Re: Bomberman vs Bob-berman on: December 19, 2006, 12:56:09 pm
    i havent lost to ichorid yet but that may have been the result of poor piloting on their part. jotun grunt seems interesting, what do you side out to bring him in against those decks and how many?

    20  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Re: Bomberman vs Bob-berman on: December 18, 2006, 03:53:35 pm
    have you tested out leyline of the void any? there has been a lot of buzz about this new dredge deck and it seems like leyline is the best answer to that, not to mention it is pretty useful in a lot of other matchups as well


    I plan on testing it soon im not sure how good it will be but ill let you know if i find anything
    21  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Re: Bomberman vs Bob-berman on: November 17, 2006, 01:59:11 am
    hey simon, been playing the deck since day one of boston now, the changes ive made (and have been very happy with) are:

    -2 cabal therapy +2 Misdirection

    as you said cabal therapy isnt all that exciting, i havent tried using erayo yet but the misdirections I added have been spectacular so far, snagging a recall is so hot for this deck not to mention FoW 5+6

    -1 engineered explosives +1 vampiric tutor
    i have never been excited about EE and the vamp allows you to find your combo earlier or help dig out of a tight spot

    -1 tundra +1 swamp

    as there are only 3 white cards in the deck i feel 3 tundras is too many, in playing the deck ive found that occasionally you will get screwed out of black mana either by drawing too many tundras and no fetches or via wasteland


    I was also wondering how you side for the meandeck gifts matchup, the match doesnt seem terrible pre board but im having trouble switching cards for this one.
    22  Eternal Formats / Global Vintage Tournament Reports and Results / Re: [Report/Pics] Mox Madness on: October 17, 2006, 12:28:58 pm
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    The people who T8 are the ones who deserved to.  If you didn't top 8, then try again next time.   Don't be pissed that you didn't get a free round.  You had to play with the same obstacles your opponents had to play through.  They made it today.  You didn't.  You can't win every time.  I appreciate what Colby did here and back him 100%.

    i agree with you here, but it was me not colby  Wink that didnt opt to scoop for a bribe, as i didnt really know either of the people who were looking for the spot but people on the team knew simon i asked what they thought and they suggested that i go ahead and report the win so thats what i did, so you didnt get a freebie.
    23  Eternal Formats / Global Vintage Tournament Reports and Results / Re: [Report/Pics] Mox Madness on: October 16, 2006, 05:19:25 pm
    yes i agree, fighting online is just about the lamest thing one can do, it just felt like i was catching a lot hate for no particular reason hopefully we can avoid further off topic degenerate posting


    -Erik
    24  Eternal Formats / Global Vintage Tournament Reports and Results / Re: [Report/Pics] Mox Madness on: October 16, 2006, 04:30:36 pm
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    The legacy guy screwed me out of T8. Colby you should have beaten him for me! Sad

    how did i screw you out of t8? by completely destroying you games 2 and 3 after scooping up game 1 cause i kept a hand that i wouldnt have if i knew what you were playing, and then not reporting to the judge that i lost to you so that you could get in over simon, who people on my team knew? i dont think so buddy.

    Going into the final round you only had 6 points and I had 7. I offered you prize to scoop to me but for what ever reason you decided to take the win anyway. From what I understand Simon didn't offer you anything and you just did it to be a dick. Don't get me wrong Simon is a standup guy and my team is also close friends with him, but I can't see why you would turn down the option to perhapse get free prize by scooping your cards and guaranteeing me a spot in the T8 over denying yourself any possability of prize by selfishly taking the win.

    And by the way Game 3 went down to the wire untill you simply top decked better than me.

    hmm i seem to recall killing your hand darkblasting your dorks and winning in under 5 minutes i guess thats what you call 'down to the wire'
    25  Eternal Formats / Global Vintage Tournament Reports and Results / Re: [Report/Pics] Mox Madness on: October 15, 2006, 11:17:37 pm
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    Yeah, I could tell.  My thinking is the same as MarkPharoah's.

    Understandably, though, I did more to my Legacy opponent then just ignore him.  After the first game, where I demolished him, I told him how to beat me, as if he had no idea how to do it (which was actually the wrong advice, I wanted him to expend counters on me, which he did in the second and third games).  I mulliganed down to five on game 2 where I had a first turn kill if I was able to topdeck ANY MANA AT ALL.  Any starting mana source, LED, ritual, or even tutor (I believe) would have won me the game, but instead I topdecked creatures and Draw 4's for a couple turns before he got an arcane lab down.

    1) jeff and myself decided that i should play legacy since we were already there, we literally took cards out of my binder and made the crappiest tog deck of all time, i did not expect to do well with it at all. not only that, that was like my second time playing legacy, t1 and t2 are where i am most of the time so i literally had no idea what the deck was trying to do

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    I made a 5/5 flyer, but he had the stinky to win him the game.  Game 3, he brainstorms during his own turn, attacks with Tog when he could have easily made it lethal, I take it because I know he won't see the play, he doesn't, makes me take one, then I naturalize his Arcane Lab during his EOT.  He tries to counter, but I inform him he already played a brainstorm.  I suppose you didn't see the instant speed enchantment removal IN MY HAND WHEN I CAST LAND GRANT AND YOU DIDN'T COUNTER TWO TURNS EARLIER.

    2) had i been serious during this side legacy event and was actually playing a real deck with intention to do well i would have written down the cards in your hand, but i in fact did not where as i didnt care, and i believe i actually said that during the game, you were wasting both my time and simon's

    3) tog was not lethal during that turn, i counted it thanks though, i was setting up for lethal next turn so i BS'd during my turn to get  the cards i needed then so during your turn i could run the counter magic at you and definatly have the win the following turn

    4) oh yeah who won that match by the way? just curious?



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    The legacy guy screwed me out of T8. Colby you should have beaten him for me! Sad

    how did i screw you out of t8? by completely destroying you games 2 and 3 after scooping up game 1 cause i kept a hand that i wouldnt have if i knew what you were playing, and then not reporting to the judge that i lost to you so that you could get in over simon, who people on my team knew? i dont think so buddy.


    26  Eternal Formats / Global Vintage Tournament Reports and Results / Re: [Report/Pics] Mox Madness on: October 15, 2006, 11:22:01 am
    i think more people need to be clicking this link



    http://basshunter.m0o.eu/dota/index_en.php

    I think more people should stop spamming threads. Consider this an official warning.
    - Bram
    27  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Re: Ubastax computer programming experiment on: October 02, 2006, 01:39:48 pm
    FYI JAVA is free and cross platform.
    28  Eternal Formats / Global Vintage Tournament Reports and Results / Re: Starcitygames Boston Update Thread on: September 18, 2006, 10:01:39 pm
    Congrats to RIT vintage players Matt Bailey getting 3rd on day 1 with u/w fish and Mike Hetherington getting 5th on day 2 with jar gifts. Thought i would throw this out there since they are the "someone" in all of the other posts.
    29  Eternal Formats / Creative / Re: [Single Card Discussion] Truth or Tale on: September 18, 2006, 09:55:00 pm
    this card is what the spainiards call 'el terrible'
    30  Vintage Community Discussion / Casual Forum / Re: My black Deck on: September 18, 2006, 09:51:20 pm
    You may also want to cut her down to 60 cards, playing more means less chance to get the card you need.
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