I have to say I really am impressed by this list. I think you may have found a very good draw configuration in 2 Whisper, 4 Storm, 4 AK, 2 Analysis. The only part of that engine that I'm unsure about is the Deep anal slot, you said yourself they were "good for pitching to FoW" which is hardly a reason to run a particular card. How easy are they to cast for you?

Apart from the engine, I would definitely cut down to 2 Cunning Wish and 2 Misdirection in order to fit the Mystical and the Scroll. I don't know what problems you had with them but especially in a build running AK, Scroll and Mystical are gold.

Is the lack of non-FoW hard counters a problem at all for you? I'd be more comfortable with 2-3 Drain but it depends on how often you are able to leave UU up, obviously.

I think Gorilla Shaman might be worth a slot in the MD. He's amazing in the mirror/Slaver matchups for obvious reasons, but he also makes Titan vs. any deck Game Over. He kills their artifact sources and Titan mops up the rest.

He is also a somewhat narrow answer to Null Rod 1st game. Yes it costs 5 mana to do it but thats what Mana Drain is for.

I'm running 4 Islands btw, I cut the second Citadel for the fourth.

In my build, Mox Monkey will take the Wish slot, eschewing Mystical Tutor.

I'm not sure what to do with the Wish spot... it is slow, but being able to Wish up an answer to anything is really nice. It could be a Mystical, a third Intuition, or maybe even a MD wish target, probably F/I or Echoing Truth.

I don't think Blood Moon is strong enough to MD, but if you run it in the board I would probably cut a Citadel for a fourth Island to replace it. I love Citadel because I hate Mox Monkey and I can't see taking both out.

So the changes I would make after considering your thoughts on Wish are

-1 Darksteel Citadel
-1 Cunning Wish
+1 Island
+1 Fire/Ice OR Echoing Truth OR Mystical Tutor

And the board would have to change as well:

2 Flametongue Kavu
1 Platinum Angel
2 Blue Elemental Blast
3 Red Elemental Blast
3 Blood Moon
2 Rack and Ruin
2 Fire/Ice

Room can be made in a combo-heavy meta for 3 Chalices... Blood Moon is incredibly good vs. Dragon though so you really only have to worry about TPS/Belcher type decks.

This is the modified build I've come up with to address some of the weakpoints I found during testing:

3 Island
4 Volcanic Island
4 Flooded Strand
1 Polluted Delta
2 Darksteel Citadel
1 Tolarian Academy
1 Library of Alexandria

7 SoLoMoxen
1 Mana Crypt
1 Mana Vault

4 Goblin Welder
1 Duplicant
2 Sundering Titan

1 Ancestral Recall
4 Brainstorm
4 Accumulated Knowledge
2 Intuition
4 Thirst for Knowledge
1 Fact or Fiction

4 Mana Drain
4 Force of Will

1 Time Walk
1 Tinker
1 Cunning Wish
1 Mindslaver

SB:
1 Platinum Angel
2 Blue Elemental Blast
1 Echoing Truth
1 Gush
2 Blood Moon/Tsabo's Web
2 Rack and Ruin
1 Red Elemental Blast
2 Fire/Ice
3 Chalice of the Void



First of all, I cut black from the deck. Yawg WiN IS powerful enough to warrant a splash, but in this Crucible heavy metagame, loading up the deck with extraneous duals can be a death sentence. Less important, but still worth noting, is that without Underground Seas, Titan rarely hits any of your lands at all.

Since I cut Will, I cut the third Intuiton. Even with black, I didn't like the third... often you will draw 2 AK's before you cast your first Intuition, and even if you don't, they can really clutter your draw. I found the "Will Intuition", the last one going for mana artifacts, to be purely win-more anyway.

I upped the lands to 16, and included 2 Citadels because of the prevelance of Strips and because Mox Monkey gives me problems.

However what I feel is the most important tweak is the addition of Duplicant and Cunning Wish... most people (including Doug) now run the Dupes but I find Wish to be invaluable... the two provide a tag-team that deals with any problem permanent that hits the table, since before any resolved hate cards were hard to win through. I wouldn't run more than one Wish... I almost cut a FoF for the second one, but since 90% your first wish would be for FoF, i kept it in the MD and therefore at 4 mana, not 7.

The board is unfinished but the Wish targets- F/I, R+R, Echoing Truth and BeB/ReB are staples, as well as Angel, which wins the combo and Fish matchups by herself. I'm not sure if Chalice is worth the space in the board, at least for my meta, because the most played combo is Dragon, which is resilient to the Chalice and the card inevitably shuts off many cards in our deck.

Now that I'm running more Islands, no black mana, and Citadels, Blood Moon may be better than Web in the SB. Its not as good vs Fish, but it is very good vs. 4cc and against Tog. The only downside is that it makes Drain hard to cast.



I wasn't sure where to put this... I know people dont like Decklists cluttering up their threads nor do they want multiple threads about the same deck. I just wanted to share my opinions and explain the choices I've made for my build.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by this... if you dump counters on a Nexus, the counters remain even when it stops being a creature. Any kind of counter can be put on any kind of permanent as long as conditions for being there are met upon targeting and resolution.

When the original deck was built, it used the non flying Factories as manlands and needed Thopters for cheap flyers. Now that it uses Nexus, cant we rely on them for flying beats and cut the Thopters for something, well, better?

I really think Ravager deserves 2-4 slots because it solves a lot of problems... he lets you dump modular counters in response to a STP on your Crusher, lets you draw cards off clamped Frogs and Myrs, and stops Artifact Mutation from pwning you. He is also, you know, the Ravenger, making you less reliant on Plating for the win.

I've also noticed a dissynergy between Frog/Enforcer and Genesis Chamber. Every creature your opponent plays gives them a chumper for your non trampling Enforcers.

Gay Red, the "new" fish, is what many, including I, feel to be the primier budget deck for Type 1. It has amazing synergy in all of its cards, a superior draw engine to most decks, an underwhelming but surprisingly resilient and effective threat base, and enough permission and answers to deal with many archtypes. Here is my current list for Gay Red and a few questions I'd like to discuss for this archtype.

Gay Red

2 Island
4 Volcanic Island
4 Flooded Strand
2 Faerie Conclave
4 Mishra's Factory
4 Wasteland
1 Strip Mine
1 Library of Alexandria
1 Mox Sapphire

4 Cloud of Faeries
4 Spiketail Hatchling
3 Voidmage Prodigy
4 Grim Lavamancer

4 Force of Will
3 Stifle
2 Daze
4 Standstill
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Time Walk
4 Curiosity
3 Null Rod

Sideboard

2 Fire/Ice
2 Energy Flux
3 Rack and Ruin
1 Arcane Laboratory
2 BEB
3 REB
2 Tormod's Crypt

Things I'd like discussed are the cards in bold:
Is Voidmage Prodigy better here than Rootwater Thief?
Are Stifles and Dazes needed, and does MisD deserve a slot or two?
Is Arcane Laboratory needed anymore without Long?

Also, does anyone think Blinkmoth Nexus can replace the Faerie Conclaves?