[Results] 05-16-2010 - The Dutch Vintage @ Breda (41 people for Vintage)

[Marske]

http://www.themanadrain.com/index.php?topic=40284.0

We had 41 people for Vintage and 53 for the National Qualifier event. Together with some local dealers and people trading we had 100+ people roaming the venue. Everything went perfect and I would like to thank everybody involved with this event. The Judge staff was excellent and everything ran smooth. On to the summer break and more Vintage !!

Decklists based on standings after 6 rounds of Swiss:

1, Jos Scheurs - GWSx

4 Dark Confidant
3 Tendrils of Agony
1 Yawgmoth's Will
1 Necropotence
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Demonic Consultation
1 Time Walk
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Brainstorm
1 Ponder
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Mind's Desire
1 Timetwister
1 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Ad Nauseam
2 Duress
3 Thoughtseize
1 Chain of Vapor
2 Hurkyl's Recall
1 Rebuild
4 Dark Ritual
3 Cabal Ritual
1 Lotus Petal
1 Black Lotus
1 Mana Crypt
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Sapphire
3 Underground Sea
3 Swamp
1 Island
4 Polluted Delta
1 Bloodstained Mire
1 Scalding Tarn
1 Tolarian Academy

Sideboard
1 Island
1 Hurkyl's Recall
1 Tinker
1 Sphinx of the Steel Wind
1 Duress
2 Sadistic Sacrament
1 Yixlid Jailer
1 Extirpate
1 Tormod's Crypt
2 Ravenous Trap
1 Infest
1 Massacre
1 Darkblast

2, Gerwin Ruijterkamp Dredge

3 Fatestitcher
2 Cephalid Sage
1 Flame-Kin Zealot
1 Angel of Despair
4 Golgari Grave-Troll
4 Blood Ghast
3 Golgari Thug
4 Stinkweed Imp
4 Narcomoeba
4 Unmask
3 Dread Return
4 Serum Powder
4 Cabal Therapy
4 Bridge From Below
4 Bazaar of Baghdad
4 City of Brass
4 Undiscovered Paradise
2 Dakmor Salvage
1 Petrified Field

Sideboard
4 Chain of Vapor
4 Nature's Claim
3 Ingot Chewer
2 Darkblast
2 Petrified Field

3, Arjen Ruijterkamp RND Oath

1 Terastodon
1 Darksteel Colossus
1 Iono, Shield of Emeria
1 Voltaic Key
1 Merchant Scroll
1 Brainstorm
1 Thirst for Knowledge
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Yawgmoth's Will
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Time Vault
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Emerald
1 Black Lotus
1 Gifts Ungiven
1 Tezzeret, The Seeker
1 Tinker
1 Jace, The Mindsculptor
1 Time Walk
1 Regrowth
1 Sol Ring
4 Force of Will
4 Spell Pierce
3 Mana Drain
4 Oath of Druids
1 Mana Crypt
1 Bribery
4 Forbidden Orchard
4 Misty Rainforest
1 Library of Alexandrie
1 Tolarian Academy
1 Forest
2 Island
1 Tropical Island
3 Underground Sea

Sideboard
1 Yixlid Jailer
2 Show and Tell
1 Smother
1 Massacre
1 Perish
1 Pithing Needle
2 Ravenous Trap
2 Tormod's Crypt
2 Nature's Claim


4. Marcel Gelissen Bomberman (U/W)

4 Trinket Mage
3 Auriok Salvagers
1 Inkwell Leviathan
1 Time Vault
1 Voltaic Key
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Tezzeret, The Seeker
1 Misdirection
1 Ponder
1 Merchant Scroll
1 Rebuild
1 Mox Ruby
1 Sol Ring
3 Repeal
1 Fact or Fiction
1 Mox Pearl
4 Mana Drain
1 Mox Emerald
1 Black Lotus
1 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Time Walk
1 Thirst for Knowledge
1 Tinker
1 Mystical Tutor
4 Force of Will
1 Mana Crypt
1 Brainstorm
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Sapphire
1 AEther Spellbomb
1 Engineerd Explosives
1 Pithing Needle
1 Tolarian Academy
3 Tundra
4 Flooded Strand
3 Island
1 Plains
1 Library of Alexandria
1 Academy Ruins
1 Polluted Delta

Sideboard
1 Engineerd Explosives
1 Pithing Needle
3 Seal of Cleansing
3 Swords to Plowshares
2 Extract
4 Energy Flux
1 Tormod's Crypt

5. Abel Planting Dredge

4 Golgari Grave-Troll
4 Cabal Therapy
4 Unmask
4 Ichorid
4 Street Wraith
4 Dryad Arbor
4 Serum Powder
4 Chalice of the Void
4 Bridge from Below
4 Narcomoaba
4 Stinkweed Imp
4 Dread Return
2 Iona, Shield of Emeria
1 Sphinx of Lost Truth
1 Flame-kin Zealot
4 Bazaar of Baghdad

Sideboard
3 Misty Rainforest
1 Bayou
4 Nature's Claim
4 Leyline of the Void
1 Angel of Despair
2 Reverent Silence

6, Bram Patelski Bomberman (U/W)

4 Trinket Mage
3 Auriok Salvagers
1 Inkwell Leviathan
1 Time Vault
1 Voltaic Key
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Tezzeret, The Seeker
1 Misdirection
1 Ponder
1 Merchant Scroll
1 Rebuild
1 Mox Ruby
1 Sol Ring
3 Repeal
1 Fact or Fiction
1 Mox Pearl
4 Mana Drain
1 Mox Emerald
1 Black Lotus
1 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Time Walk
1 Thirst for Knowledge
1 Tinker
1 Mystical Tutor
4 Force of Will
1 Mana Crypt
1 Brainstorm
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Sapphire
1 AEther Spellbomb
1 Engineerd Explosives
1 Pithing Needle
1 Tolarian Academy
3 Tundra
4 Flooded Strand
3 Island
1 Plains
1 Library of Alexandria
1 Academy Ruins
1 Polluted Delta

Sideboard
1 Engineerd Explosives
1 Pithing Needle
3 Seal of Cleansing
3 Swords to Plowshares
2 Extract
4 Energy Flux
1 Tormod's Crypt

7, Robrecht Lenaerts RND Oath

1 Terastodon
1 Inkwell Leviathan
1 Iono, Shield of Emeria
1 Voltaic Key
1 Merchant Scroll
1 Brainstorm
1 Thirst for Knowledge
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Yawgmoth's Will
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Time Vault
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Emerald
1 Black Lotus
1 Gifts Ungiven
1 Tezzeret, The Seeker
1 Tinker
1 Jace, The Mindsculptor
1 Time Walk
1 Regrowth
1 Sol Ring
4 Force of Will
4 Spell Pierce
3 Mana Drain
4 Oath of Druids
1 Mana Crypt
1 Echoing Truth
4 Forbidden Orchard
4 Misty Rainforest
1 Library of Alexandrie
1 Tolarian Academy
1 Forest
1 Island
1 Snow-covered Island
1 Tropical Island
3 Underground Sea

Sideboard
2 Yixlid Jailer
2 Show and Tell
1 Massacre
1 Pithing Needle
1 Ravenous Trap
1 Terastodon
3 Thoughtseize
1 Tormod's Crypt
3 Nature's Claim

8, Guus de Waard RND Red Shops

3 Triskelion
4 Goblin Welder
2 Solemn Simulacrum
4 Lodestone Golem
3 Karn, Silver Golem
4 Chalice of the Void
4 Tangle Wire
4 Thorn of Amethyst
1 Trinisphere
1 Sphere of Resistance
4 Sculpting Steel
1 Black Lotus
1 Mana Crypt
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Sol Ring
2 Ancient Tomb
4 Mishra's Workshop
6 Mountain
1 Strip Mine
1 Tolarian Academy
4 Wasteland

Sideboard
3 Ingot Chewer
4 Magus of the Moon
2 Solemn Simulacrum
2 Sphere of Resistance
4 Tormod's Crypt


Quarter finals:
Jos Scheurs vs Guus de Waard - Jos Scheurs wins
Abel Planting vs Marcel Gelissen - Abel Planting wins
Arjen Ruijterkamp vs Bram Patelski - Bram Patelski wins
Robrecht Lenaerts vs Gerwin Ruijterkamp - Robrecht Lenaerts wins

Semi finals:
Jos Scheurs vs Abel Planting - Jos Scheurs wins
Bram Patelski vs Robrecht Lenaerts - Braom Patelski Wins

Finals
Jos Scheurs vs Bram Patelski (Split)

Met Breakdown:

Bomberman (U/W) 3
Dredge 4
RND Oath 3
non-Terastodon Oath 1
GWSx 1
RND Red Shop 1
ANT 4
TPS 1
Selkie 4
Noble Bug Fish 1
Tezzeret 4 (2 RND, 1 UBrg, 1 UB)
Enchantress 1
MUD 5
All in Red 1
The Deck 1
Madness 1
Bant Beatdown (budget) 1
Show the Hell 1
Zoo 1

Some small notes about all this:
13 decks featured Mana Drain, Pierce, FoW or some combination of the above. Mana Drain is definitely not dead.

4 Oath decks putting 2 of them in the top 8. (both RND builds) makes it a great performer

MUD did nothing although it showed up big time (5 decks showed up zero hit top 8)

Storm Combo was the biggest player putting up a wopping 6 decks, only GWSx Made top 8 though.

[Anusien]

Wow, two Bomberman players. How good!

Do you know if they considered black? How did Tezzeret work out for them?

[Marske]

@Anusien,
Yeah they really went like a knife through butter.. slicing through the meta. I don't know if they considered black or how Tezz was. The list looks pretty interesting though...

[mrbull]

hello,

im the creator of that bomberman list that bram and i played in breda. (note: with same list i got to the finals in mol, belgium a few weeks back)

the thought of playing black in this deck is not a good idea. in the past i have tryed and lost games because i had no tundra or sea to play my cards that i needed or i got into a wasteland lock or a magus of the moon. i cant think of any cards except the 2 toturs and will that you would like to run in this deck. 3 cards for manabase disruption aint a good deal (- island - plains + 2 sea) imo.

tezzeret, great card. its a must to counter it if you want to win the game. the deck has 2 combo's  that require a lot of counters to stop them. the biggest advantage is that you can use the slots of one combo to replace them with the sb cards you need for game 2.

because no one likes to see a salvagers or a time vault in play the games usaly result in a argo game with a trinket mage beatdown or they run out of counters.

[bramp]

Dutch tourney report from Bram PATELSKI (it's not so hard to spell):
http://benelegacy.nl/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=2667&p=65353#p65353

The list plays really nice, with a lot of counters and power-plays.
I managed to Misdirect a Recall, get 10 mana incoming off 2 Drained FoWs,
put Key-Vault into play on T1 and even almost Thoughtseize my opponent (yes, Misdirection is cool).

Tezzeret was just another way to get Key-Vault in play, but it wasn't the MVP of the deck.
That would be, uhm... if I can't choose the big pile of Counters I would have to choose Trinket Mage:
He got me Voltaic key to combine with the Vault, Sensei's Top on multiple occasions, the Spellbomb to go combo
in the next few turns and obviously Lotus to just combo out on the spot.

I don't know if Marcel considered black, but I don't think it's needed.
The deck performs perfectly fine as-is: Marcel made several top8 and top2's and I played this tourney without any practice-match.
I just played a few goldfish games to get a feel for card interactions.

Would black be good? Let's see:
Vampiric, Demonic and Yawgmot's Will. Yeah, I had a few occasions where I Mysticalled for the Fact because I already had used the Recall.
I could have gone for the Will if I had it, but I don't think that would make the deck considerably better.
Keep in mind, that this makes the mana-base a bit more fragile. I didn't encounter any Wastelands and got Stripped just once,
but a stable basic mana-base is very important, because the deck just gets really going once you hit 3 mana.

[bramp]

I agree with Marcel on the beatdown strategy:
I beat some opponents to a low enough life-total, while I was still at 17-ish,
so that they just couldn't attack with the Inkwell because I would win the race
with Trinket Mages and Salvagers damage.

[Anusien]

I've played Bomberman a bit myself, and I like most of this list right out. I do like black; I've liked it since you could play 4 Thirst for Knowledge. If it's just rebuying a land, a draw spell and maybe a creature, isn't that enough? Plus it lets you re-use Time Walk if you need it. I think Will got better in the deck with Time Vault, not worse. I do think you should try black in the deck; I've splashed for just Will and DT, and I quite liked it.

Was Misdirection really good for you? I hated it in the deck, and most people I know have disliked it too. It basically only counters counters and gives you Ancestral. It wasn't amazing back when people had 4 Scrolls.

Was Mystical any good for you? In the past I've really disliked the card.

Was Mana Crypt good for you? In the past I've been worried that you couldn't race it, and I wonder if Time Vault makes it a bigger issue. I think I've run a list in place of this.

Did you like Academy Ruins? I'm worried that it's not good enough and it's too much colorless mana.

That's an interesting sideboard plan. I encourage you to try out some sort of man plan. I've had a lot of success beating Goblins and Fish with a combination of Wrath of God and Exalted Angel. I am just really skeptical of the Extract plan against combo and Oath. I think there's also a distinct lack of Ethersworn Canonist.

Black sideboarded also gives you access to Perish, which is hot.

Thanks a bunch guys!

Edit: Oh yeah and Pithing Needle. Did it hit anything relevant? I've become dissatisfied with the card.
And Marske will never forgive me if I don't ask about Jace the Mindsculptor.

[bramp]

Misdirection is incredible, with so many counters, you can easily redirect Ancestral and that wins matches.
I have also tried to Misdirect a Thoughtseize and pulled some extra counters with that. Play it as a one-of and you'll like it.

Mystical would be better with Will, but it's just another Tutor that gets draw-spells and counters. It's a must.

Mana Crypt is just fast mana. I played a first-turn Tinker on the play, but it got countered. Oh well, that's Vintage.
If you combo out with Vault, you have to watch your Mana Crypt, but that's the same as in Tezz-Vault decks.
Here you just have another combo that doesn't take many turns to kill (draw a lot of cards and Tinker, Explode or Repeal your Mana Crypt).
I didn't have any problems with the Crypt, but you shouldn't always auto-play it, unless you need it for the next few turns.

Academy Ruins is good with recurring Explosives, reclaiming countered Vault-pieces and back-breaking with the one-of Crypt in SB against Ichorid/Dredge.
I also reclaimed my Crypt after the Tinker was countered and I drew my Inkwell. I needed the extra 2 mana, so reclaimed the Mana Crypt and hard-cast Inkwell.

The sideboard is mostly focussed on beating Oath and MUD/Workshop decks. The Energy fluxes are very important and almost auto-win against Workshops
and the Seals are just extra kills. The Seals are very important as pro-active hate against Oath. They have a lot of Counters as well, so it's very hard to win a Counter-war.
The Seals help to put hate on the board so you can develop your own game-plan without keeping mana open.
The Extracts didn't help out as we hoped, because people had several kill-conditions. Oath had 3 creatures, Tendrils played Confidants and 3 Tendrils.
It could be a very techy win: T1 Extract your Vault and you can't go infinite or the single Tendrils so you can storm into nothing.
That didn't happen, but I would gladly play it again.

[Tobi]

Nice top 8, and a great turnout despite being held on the same day as the 350 people tournament in Annecy.

Some cards are missing:
Jos: 2 cards MD missing
Arjen: 2 cards SB missing
Abel: 4 cards MD missing

See http://www.morphling.de/top8decks.php?id=1275

[Jos]

Mox Jet and Sol Ring are missing from my list.

Cheers,
Jos

[Tobi]

Mox Jet and Sol Ring are missing from my list.

Cheers,
Jos

Thanks. Very nice list btw. What were your opponents? Did you play against MUD?
Any changes you would make after this tournament to the decklist?

[Bill Copes]

Mox Jet and Sol Ring are missing from my list.

Cheers,
Jos

Thanks. Very nice list btw. What were your opponents? Did you play against MUD?
Any changes you would make after this tournament to the decklist?

Did you have to play against Oath at all?

[Jos]

Thanks. Very nice list btw. What were your opponents? Did you play against MUD?
Any changes you would make after this tournament to the decklist?

Did you have to play against Oath at all?

I played Zoo, Bug fish, Dredge, Bant, Blue Shops and the Show & Tell / Sneak Attack deck in the Swiss, losing to the Zoo deck. Red shops and Dredge in the top 8. Not the most difficult matchups I could've encountered, I must admit.

The main deck is basically set in stone, personal preferences aside. Academy could be a second Island, the Duress/Thoughtseize ratio can differ. I didn't miss Imperial Seal and the Ad Nauseam was really good for me. All in all, this is a very stable list which just does its thing and doesn't bother with winning with more flair than necessary.

I used every card in the sideboard and was mostly happy with it. Either the infest or Massacre should probably be a spot removal spell like Slaughter Pact to have an out for Iona. Sphinx was really good as a Tinker target, mostly because it only deals 8 damage with Confidant and Ad Nauseam, which happened three times when I had 9 life...

[mrbull]

Misdirection:
great card, i usaly use it as an aditional fow vs counterdecks. the one time you take an opponents recall (fun, but not the main reason) is worth a slot. but i like the idea of having a 5th fow in my deck.

Mystical Tutor:
i thought mystical is more obvious then merchiant scroll. but both are great U tutors that can get the cards that you want (tinker, recall, drain, fow or repeal). i think its not a waste of a slot and a musthave in each blue deck.

Mana Crypt:
the times i use my salvagers combo i dont care about the crypt. only in the vault combo it can be a pain in the ass. but 75% of the combo's i play turn out to be the salvagers combo. and even so, with rebuild, 3 repeal and a tinker, why not use this card for the mana acc. (if you get in trouble, practice your dice roll )

Academy Ruins:
you dont see that card in any format. but i think its underrated. this cards helps your toolbox reanimate itselve without a salvagers. i can say it won me a few games vs dredge. i even conciderd tolaria west, but that card is too slow.

SB (extract vs cannonist):
cannonist has been for ages in my sb. the problem was that at end of my turn if i had no counter (due to discard) is got bounces and i lost the game. this is the 2nd time i use extract and i like it. extract is not as good as the cannonist but helps you to see what outs your opponent has (number or tendrails, vault e.a.) with that knowledge i can ajust my gameplan. im thinking to cut and needle on my sb for an aditional extract. vs draintendraills is a strong card. i'm not using it against oath because  3 seal en 2 EE should do the trick with counters.


Pithing Needle:
great card main board. i dont think i need a second one in my sb. the commen targets are vault, grindstone, welder and shaman. nothing stp of seals can handle. but one neelde is a must in the toolbox. pre side not alot of decks can get it of the battlefield.

Jace the Mindsculptor:
im no fan of the, cant even remember what it does. jace only helps vs controle matchups if im correct. controle usealy is in my favor because om my 2/2 beaters.