Emrakul oath

[median]

Oath has been getting more and more solid creatures than ever recently. For years the best card we had was spirit of the night. Then within a couple sets we got akroma, razia and tyrant, now once more where getting good targets. With Iona, terestadon, -and now emrakul, oath has problems choosing the right dude.
Emrakul looks both amazing and terrible on paper, he doesnt do anything when he comes out. But the next turn he wins you the game. If you got the time walk that you would get from casting it when you oathed him up it would be a non-issue and he would probably be better than Iona.
In a list with 4 dragon breath and two emrakul however, you wouldn't need to pass the turn, and the free time walk would not be necessary.
Am I nuts? Would I want two emrakul? One and one Iona? Is krosan reclamation relevant? Four dragon breath or three?
What are the communities thoughts? Is it worth trying to put together a list?

[Evenpence]

Oath has been getting more and more solid creatures than ever recently. For years the best card we had was spirit of the night. Then within a couple sets we got akroma, razia and tyrant, now once more where getting good targets. With Iona, terestadon, -and now emrakul, oath has problems choosing the right dude.
Emrakul looks both amazing and terrible on paper, he doesnt do anything when he comes out. But the next turn he wins you the game. If you got the time walk that you would get from casting it when you oathed him up it would be a non-issue and he would probably be better than Iona.
In a list with 4 dragon breath and two emrakul however, you wouldn't need to pass the turn, and the free time walk would not be necessary.
Am I nuts? Would I want two emrakul? One and one Iona? Is krosan reclamation relevant? Four dragon breath or three?
What are the communities thoughts? Is it worth trying to put together a list?

3 of the 4 oath decks at Blue Bell 2010 #4 top 8'd.  Only one was running Emrakul.  The others advanced to the top 4 and finals respectively.

The Oath player subbed Emrakul for the elephant.  From what I saw, Emrakul was exceptionally unimpressive.

Here's what Matt Elias played: (finalist)

2nd Place: Matt Elias playing "Oath 2: Electric Boogaloo"

2 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
4 Force of Will
3 Mana Drain
2 Spell Pierce
2 Spell Snare
1 Timetwister
1 Merchant Scroll
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Gifts Ungiven
1 Tezzeret the Seeker
1 Brainstorm
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Tinker
1 Time Walk
4 Oath of Druids
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Yawgmoth's Will
1 Terrastadon
1 Iona, Shield of Emeria
1 Sphinx of the Steel Wind
1 Voltaic Key
1 Time Vault
1 Sol Ring
1 Mana Crypt
1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Library of Alexandria
2 Polluted Delta
3 Scalding Tarn
2 Island
1 Volcanic Island
2 Tropical Island
2 Underground Sea
4 Forbidden Orchard

SB:
2 Mindbreak Trap
2 Red Elemental Blast
1 Ravenous Trap
1 Tormod's Crypt
2 Pithing Needle
3 Yixlid Jailer
2 Massacre
1 Nature's Claim
1 Rebuild

Josh Potucek's Emrakul Oath:  (top 8)

7th Place: Josh Potucek playing "SEE BEYOND OATH!"

4 Force of Will
3 Mana Drain
3 Thoughtseize
1 Duress
4 Oath of Druids
1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
1 Sphinx of the Steel Wind
1 Tezzeret the Seeker
1 Time Vault
1 Voltaic Key
4 See Beyond
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Demonic tutor
1 Merchant Scroll
1 Ponder
1 Brainstorm
1 Gifts Ungiven
1 Yawgmoth's Will
1 Time Walk
1 Rushing River
1 Tinker
1 Sol Ring
1 Mana Crypt
1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Sapphire
4 Misty Rainforest
4 Forbidden Orchard
2 Tropical Island
2 Underground Sea
1 Forest
2 Island
1 Strip Mine

SB:
3 Nature's Claim
2 Pithing Needle
2 Spell Pierce
1 Ghastly Demise
1 Rebuild
1 Pernicious Deed
1 Empyrial Archangel
1 Ravenous Trap
1 Extirpate
1 Yixlid Jailer
1 Bojuka Bog

[mistervader]

I'm testing a version that runs these dead cards:

1 Emrakul
1 Show and Tell
3 Dragon's Breath
1 Gaea's Blessing

So far, I've been happy, as I miss the haste only when I had to Show and Tell or something like that. However, this deck is no longer a Time Vault deck. With Emrakul as your plan A, there seems little reason to keep Vault-Key around, and I devoted slots to 4 Impulse, 2 Jace, and 2 See Beyond instead for maximum card filtrage.

[mort-]

Currently I'm testing this list (unpowered):

4x Forbidden Orchard
4x Polluted Delta
2x Misty Rainforest
2x Underground Sea
2x Volcanic Island
2x Tropical Island
1x Strip Mine
3x Wasteland
1x Lotus Petal
1x Mox Diamond
1x Island

4x Oath of Druids
3x Null Rod
1x Jace, the Mind Sculptor

1x Demonic Tutor
1x Balance
1x Ponder
1x Careful Study
1x Life from the Loam
1x Regrowth

1x Dragon Breath
1x Emrakul, Aeons Torn

4x Force of Will
3x Spell Pierce
2x Red Elemental Blast
2x Pyroblast
1x Brainstorm
1x Thirst for Knowledge
1x Vampiric Tutor
1x Rebuild
1x Echoing Truth
1x Merchant Scroll
1x Mystical Tutor
1x Daze
1x Intuition
1x Lat-Nam's Legacy

Sideboard:

1x Show and Tell
1x Iona, Shield of Emeria
1x Blazing Archon
1x Empyrial Archangel
2x Extirpate
3x Ravenous Trap
3x Relic of Progenitus
1x Ancient Grudge
2x Pithing Needle

Allthough Jace seems a bit clunky, the deck is running pretty well overall. It has a fair chance against Ichorid preboard (if you get out Oath fast enough) and a solid Bomberman / Painter matchup. The REB's have given me a good performance over all, being very good against Noble (i.e. already on the field Trygons / MM).
I tested with two Dragon Breath before but cut down one because they were always in my hand (as is Emrakul.. bad draws I guess ;D). Emrakul gets haste about ~75% of the time I think.

[Portalis]

quick question here

Emrakul has protection from colored spells. since dragon breath is a colored spell that mean you can't enchant it on him right?

[thecman]

quick question here

Emrakul has protection from colored spells. since dragon breath is a colored spell that mean you can't enchant it on him right?

It is only a spell if it is on the stack.  Its return from the graveyard trigger puts it directly onto the battlefield where it is a permanent and Emrakul doesn't have protection from permanents.  Emrakul's protection does prevent you from hard casting Dragon Breath though since when cast it would be a colored spell targeting Emrakul.

[Portalis]

Ah ok I got it. So for it to work, dragon breath has to be in gy to be placed on emrakul.

[mistervader]

For the record, running anything less than 2 Dragon's Breath is rather useless. 3 seems to be the best number for consistently getting Breath on Emrakul after an Oath.

I've tested my version of the deck so far, and I must say that I'm very pleased with how often a single Oathing is almost always enough to win against every single deck out there right now. The problem with Iona, for example, was that Ichorid and Shops weren't too perturbed by her, but a hasty Emrakul gives them fits. Ad Nauseam Tendrils would be down to 5 and would find it very hard to combo out with a life total like that.

Considering the fact that I haven't even really fine-tuned the deck's components and just threw stuff into the old Elias Iona + Double Dragon list, I'm sure anyone who'd have a crack at my list could optimize it far better.

[meadbert]

What about running Enlighten Tutors and Intuitions.

Both can tutor up Oath.
Intuition tutors up Orchard or Force.

You ET for Dragon's Breath with Oath trigger on stack to guarantee a Dragon's Breath.

You can Intuition for 2xDragon's Breath with Oath trigger on stack to guarantee a Dragon's Breath.

EDIT: Intuition and ET can also be used to tutor up Vault/Key as an alternate win.

[mistervader]

What about running Enlighten Tutors and Intuitions.

Both can tutor up Oath.
Intuition tutors up Orchard or Force.

You ET for Dragon's Breath with Oath trigger on stack to guarantee a Dragon's Breath.

You can Intuition for 2xDragon's Breath with Oath trigger on stack to guarantee a Dragon's Breath.

EDIT: Intuition and ET can also be used to tutor up Vault/Key as an alternate win.

A deck like that wants to run Mana Drains. I might need to look at the classic Oath builds for inspiration, then.

[chrissss]

I assume the main reasons why people dont run him, is because the current oath decks that are winning tournaments left and right are so well designed, and emrakul adds nothing to those decks. other oath creatures do, and dragons breath is just adding more dead cards to the deck.

( having said this, I cant wait to try emrakul in oath )

I'm testing a version that runs these dead cards:

1 Emrakul
1 Show and Tell
3 Dragon's Breath
1 Gaea's Blessing

why not run 2 emrakuls and no blessing instead? it means you always have one in your library, and emrakul acts as a blessing anyways?

[oshkoshhaitsyosh]

Oath has been getting more and more solid creatures than ever recently. For years the best card we had was spirit of the night. Then within a couple sets we got akroma, razia and tyrant, now once more where getting good targets. With Iona, terestadon, -and now emrakul, oath has problems choosing the right dude.
Emrakul looks both amazing and terrible on paper, he doesnt do anything when he comes out. But the next turn he wins you the game. If you got the time walk that you would get from casting it when you oathed him up it would be a non-issue and he would probably be better than Iona.
In a list with 4 dragon breath and two emrakul however, you wouldn't need to pass the turn, and the free time walk would not be necessary.
Am I nuts? Would I want two emrakul? One and one Iona? Is krosan reclamation relevant? Four dragon breath or three?
What are the communities thoughts? Is it worth trying to put together a list?

3 of the 4 oath decks at Blue Bell 2010 #4 top 8'd.  Only one was running Emrakul.  The others advanced to the top 4 and finals respectively.

The Oath player subbed Emrakul for the elephant.  From what I saw, Emrakul was exceptionally unimpressive.

Actually I am Josh Potucek, and the only time Emrakul was not so impressive was vs. Dredge. I will play that version again. I like it alot due to the 4 duress effects and more knowledge of opponents hand and ripping it apart at the same time so the big guy got there as much as he needed to